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"time": "2018-03-26 11:00:00",
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"en": "Hon. Bardish Chagger (Leader of the Government in the House of Commons and Minister of Small Business and Tourism, Lib.)",
"fr": "L\u2019hon. Bardish Chagger (leader du gouvernement \u00e0 la Chambre des communes et ministre de la Petite Entreprise et du Tourisme, Lib.)"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320341\" data-originallang=\"en\">On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, there have been discussions among the parties and if you seek it, I think you will find unanimous consent for the following motion:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320342\" data-originallang=\"en\"> That notwithstanding any Standing or Special Order or usual practice of the House, during Statements by Ministers later this day, Tsilhqot'in First Nation Chiefs Joe Alphonse, Russell Myers Ross, Francis Laceese, Roy Stump, Otis Guichon and Jimmy Lulua be permitted on the floor of the House and that, following the responses to the ministerial statement, Peyal Laceese of the Tsilhqot'in First Nation be permitted to perform, from the floor of the House, a traditional drumming ceremony. </p>\n</blockquote>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320341\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'invoque le R\u00e8glement, monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident. Il y a eu des discussions entre les partis et je crois que vous constaterez qu'il y a consentement unanime \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard de la motion suivante:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320342\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Que, nonobstant tout article du R\u00e8glement, ordre sp\u00e9cial ou usage habituel de la Chambre, durant les D\u00e9clarations de ministres aujourd'hui, les Chefs de la nation Tsilhqot'in Joe Alphonse, Russell Myers Ross, Francis Laceese, Roy Stump, Otis Guichon et Jimmy Lulua soient autoris\u00e9s \u00e0 \u00eatre pr\u00e9sents sur le parquet de la Chambre, et que, apr\u00e8s les r\u00e9pliques \u00e0 la d\u00e9claration minist\u00e9rielle, Peyal Laceese de la Nation Tsilhqot'in soit autoris\u00e9 \u00e0 pr\u00e9senter, du parquet de la Chambre, une c\u00e9r\u00e9monie de tambours traditionnelle. </p>\n</blockquote>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320343\" data-originallang=\"en\">Is there unanimous consent?</p>",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320344\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Agreed.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320344\" data-originallang=\"en\"> D'accord.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320345\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The House has heard the terms of the motion. Is it the pleasure of the House to adopt the motion?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320345\" data-originallang=\"en\"> La Chambre a entendu la motion. Pla\u00eet-il \u00e0 la Chambre de l'adopter?</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320346\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Agreed.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320346\" data-originallang=\"en\"> D'accord.</p>"
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"en": "<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"2\">(Motion agreed to)</p>",
"fr": "<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"2\">(La motion est adopt\u00e9e.)</p>"
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"en": "Ms. Irene Mathyssen (London\u2014Fanshawe, NDP)",
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"en": "<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"5320347\"> moved: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320348\" data-originallang=\"en\"> That a special committee of the House be appointed with the purpose of conducting hearings and proposing a plan for a postal banking system administered under the Canada Post Corporation; that this Committee consist of ten members of which six shall be from the government party, three from the Official Opposition, and one from the New Democratic Party, provided that the Chair is from the government party; that in addition to the Chair, there be one Vice-Chair from each of the recognized opposition parties; that the Committee have all the powers of a standing committee as provided in the Standing Orders; that the members to serve on the said Committee be appointed by the Whip of each party by depositing with the Clerk of the House a list of his or her party\u2019s members of the Committee no later than a week after the adoption of the said motion; that the quorum of the Committee be as provided for in Standing Order 118, provided that at least one member of each recognized party be present; that membership substitutions be permitted from time to time, if required, in the manner provided for in Standing Order 114(2); and that the Committee report to the House no later than 12 months after the adoption of this motion. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320349\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, it gives me great pleasure, as the NDP critic for Canada Post, to bring Motion No. 166 forward for debate today.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320350\" data-originallang=\"en\">In a country as vast and diverse as Canada, Canada Post is the jewel in the crown of public service corporations, providing the vital service that keeps us connected. While the corporation and its workers have come under attack over the past few years, Canada Post continues to deliver. It is the first choice of countless vendors who, in this digital age, ship parcels ordered online from coast to coast to coast.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320351\" data-originallang=\"en\"> We should recognize that the work of Canada Post is accomplished by workers, members of the Canadian Union of Postal Workers and the Canadian Postmasters and Assistants Association, who, despite the pressures of neo-liberalism and globalization to privatize, continue to deliver quality public service that is accessible and affordable to all.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320352\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am proud to be a member of this NDP caucus, which has always supported labour rights and which understands that, absolutely and without exaggeration, upholding those rights is fundamental to democracy. None of us can forget the spring of 2011 when the summer recess of the House was delayed because freedom of association and the right to organize and collectively bargain was under threat by the Conservative government of the day, a government that imposed back-to-work legislation on CUPW members who had been locked out by Canada Post.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320353\" data-originallang=\"en\">I encourage all members of the House to familiarize themselves with the speech given here by NDP leader Jack Layton in defence of the workers and in opposition to the legislation. In the meantime, I would like to quote from Jack's praise of the workers at Canada Post. He said:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320354\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I do not think a more diverse group of Canadians could be found anywhere. They come from absolutely every background. Maybe that is why there is a certain appreciation of the importance of the mail. In a way it is a part of the democratic communication process that brought them to Canada in the first place, the notion that people can communicate freely, that they can speak their mind and that there is a public postal service to make sure people can communicate with each other. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320355\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Many of them will mention the charter of rights and so on that we have here in Canada, and how proud they are to be Canadians and to be working on behalf of Canadians. That is why I found it very distressing to see them being partitioned off as though they were somehow not part of the 33 million Canadians. They are as much a part of the 33 million Canadians as anybody else. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320356\" data-originallang=\"en\">They have connected Canadians across the country. Their labour supports an important service for all.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320357\" data-originallang=\"en\">Members may recall that, despite opposition by the NDP, the undemocratic back-to-work legislation passed, forcing the workers to accept a less than satisfactory agreement. The good news is that in April of 2016 the Ontario Superior Court ruled that the Harper government had \u201cinfringed the [Charter] freedom of association of union members\u201d by abrogating CUPW members' right to strike.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320358\" data-originallang=\"en\"> It is heartening to me to know that, while it may not consistently be said of Conservative and Liberal governments, the courts at least appreciate the value of public service and the protections we have put in place for free and democratic association. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320359\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is indeed ironic that the Conservatives named their back-to-work legislation the Restoring Mail Delivery for Canadians Act, particularly in light of the fact that they proceeded to enact legislation to suspend home mail delivery to Canadians. The Conservatives did this despite overwhelming opposition to the change, most notably by seniors and disabled Canadians who would find traversing to a community mailbox difficult. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320360\" data-originallang=\"en\">Who can forget the insensitivity of Canada Post president and CEO Deepak Chopra who responded to these objections with the statement that seniors could benefit from the exercise? It is shameful, and the callousness of that dismissal of seniors' concerns is breathtaking.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320361\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The corporation and the government argued that the suspension of home delivery was necessary in order to balance the books. The Liberals under their leader, the <a data-HoCid=\"214115\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">member for Papineau</a>, campaigned vociferously and unapologetically in 2015 to restore home mail delivery, saying that they would be the champions of those for whom home delivery was essential.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320362\" data-originallang=\"en\"> We know now that this promise was only one in a long line of promises crafted to court votes, and just like the Liberal campaign promises to enact electoral reform, tax reform, and protect the environment, restoration of home mail delivery was thrown on the trash pile of broken promises once the Liberals had cashed in the votes of hopeful Canadians and won their majority government.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320363\" data-originallang=\"en\">New Democrats know we can do better. New democrats know the value of affordable, accessible, and sustainable public services that are vital to the healthy community and healthy democracy we want, where everyone has a voice. This brings me to Motion No. 166, calling for the formation of the special committee to study a system of postal banking delivered by the Canada Post Corporation and propose a plan for the implementation of postal banking within a year.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320364\" data-originallang=\"en\">However, please allow me to first share some relevant facts and figures. Over 600 municipalities have passed resolutions that support postal banking. Almost two out of every three respondents, 63%, of the 2013 Stratcom poll supported Canada Post expanding revenue-generating services, including financial services like bill payments, insurance, and postal banking.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320365\" data-originallang=\"en\">A number of former Canada Post presidents including Michael Warren, Andr\u00e9 Ouellet, and Moya Greene, have considered and even promoted the notion of the corporation getting more involved in financial services. The UPU, a United Nations agency, thinks post offices should be looking at expanding financial services. It has produced a global road map for the future. This road map calls for the continued development of postal networks along three dimensions: physical, financial, and digital or electronic routes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320366\" data-originallang=\"en\">In 2014, the Liberal Party critic for Canada Post said the merits of postal banking should be explored in the context of several different options for the future of the corporation. The Liberal and Conservative members of the House will say that we have already studied postal banking and found it to be non-viable. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320367\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Harper government suppressed a 2014 study indicating postal banking would be a win-win endeavour for Canada Post and the communities it serves and generate revenues to support other vital services, including home mail delivery. However, in 2016, the government operations committee conducted a blanket study of Canada Post including a section on postal banking and deemed it non-viable. All very strange, particularly when New Democrats, labour, and civil society had reason to believe the committee's evidence and analysis was flawed and incomplete. It leads one to wonder whether the analysis of postal banking as a viable option for Canada Post conducted in 2016 was influenced by interests other than those of the public good.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320368\" data-originallang=\"en\">Postal banking was part of the fabric of Canadian life for over a hundred years. Just following Confederation in 1867, the federal government passed legislation establishing a post office savings bank in order to provide a savings service to the working classes and small town residents.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320369\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The Canadian postal banking system began operations in 1868 with 81 locations and grew quickly to 343 post office savings banks. Within 16 years it had a balance of $13 million in almost 67,000 accounts. However by the 1890s, Canada's postal banking system faced challenges from chartered banks, which were facing a recession. The banks suddenly became interested in the smaller depositors using post office savings banks and actively worked to undermine postal banking. Gradually the chartered bank lobby was successful in having the interest rate paid on deposits at postal savings banks lowered from 3% to 2.5%, and all but eliminated advertising by postal banks. This was the final straw. The post office savings bank system was closed down in 1969 under the Liberal government of Pierre Trudeau. It was an unfortunate situation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320370\" data-originallang=\"en\">Much like any business whose bottom line is profit over public service, corporate banks are content to remain in small communities and remote areas as long as the profits generated meet their expectations, but as we have learned with the selling off of public services provincially, federally, and municipally, reliance on a market-driven public service has its downfalls. When we consider access to banking services, history shows us that as soon as profits diminish, even if they still exist, corporate banks deem them not worthwhile and pull up stakes, affecting remote and rural communities, first nations communities, and economically depressed areas.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320371\" data-originallang=\"en\">Even a co-op such as Desjardins, a proud Quebec institution, has moved services, leaving not so much as an ATM where it deemed it not worthwhile. Much the same as selling off public resources such as our rail lines, power lines, seniors' services, and highway systems has demonstrated, the end result is a widening of the gap between those who have and those who have not, making life less and less affordable for everyday Canadians.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320372\" data-originallang=\"en\">Every Canadian deserves access to financial services, and never has this been more evident than today, when social benefits are delivered by direct deposit. Lack of access to banking services literally results in an inability to pay the bills. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320373\" data-originallang=\"en\">We heard testimony at the United Nations Commission on the Status of Women earlier this month from Francyne Joe, president of NWAC, who reported that family members of missing and murdered indigenous women in Canada have been unable to attend inquiry hearings because they lack the resources to pay their costs up front and do not have bank accounts for the inquiry to reimburse them. In this very tragic circumstance, lack of access to banking services literally means justice denied to families that have hoped and waited for it for so long. We can do better.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320374\" data-originallang=\"en\">When we view this gap in service through an intersectional lens, we know that women in remote, rural, and economically depressed regions of Canada suffer negative economic and social impacts disproportionately compared to men. Equalization of access to banking services in all these areas would allow women better access to financial autonomy. A postal bank could become part of the transformation of the post office branch into a real centre for delivering community power. A post office location offering banking could help by offering loans for environmental refits for housing and businesses. Better accessibility to these kinds of services would empower women to become equal community partners.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320375\" data-originallang=\"en\">Communities like my own in London, Ontario, have been deeply affected by globalization and unemployment resulting from the government's inability to keep good jobs in Canada. Payday lenders prey on Canadians of low income, charging outrageous interest fees. Postal banking would be a sustainable solution that would provide accessible banking services across Canada where no service is currently available and to those who cannot afford to, or choose not to, use corporate banks. Postal banking could generate income to allow Canada Post to provide increased services, such as the restoration of home delivery to the communities that demand it and count on that service.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320376\" data-originallang=\"en\">Communities like my own have also been deeply affected by the insensitivity of corporate banks to their needs. Just this past year, the Toronto Dominion Bank at the corner of Highbury Avenue and Hamilton Road in London\u2014Fanshawe closed, leaving residents of that community with no banking alternative. The nearest branch to them is over 12 kilometres away. This is a community of seniors and people with limited incomes, and they now have no bank. TD abandoning them puts these people at the mercy of payday lenders. A Google street view search of the location shows a boarded up building where the branch used to be, with a Canada Post outlet in the very same strip. We can and should do better. Let us make that postal outlet a centre for postal banking for all the people in the neighbourhood.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320377\" data-originallang=\"en\">If passed, my motion would allow for an impartial and objective study on postal banking conducted by a special committee, which would prove what the rest of the world already knows: postal banking works. The committee would also be charged to table a plan for the implementation of postal banking under Canada Post within 12 months of the motion being adopted.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320378\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Liberals claim to know what is best for Canadians, when in fact, they only serve their corporate and powerful friends. Their tax cuts serve the rich. They refuse to close loopholes that allow billions in revenue to be hidden in offshore tax shelters, they have broken their promise on electoral reform, and their infrastructure bank will put public services under the control of private corporations. Liberals claim to have studied postal banking already and found it flawed, chiefly because it would cut into profits for their corporate banking and business friends. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320379\" data-originallang=\"en\">New Democrats know that postal banking is a solution that works. I ask this House to please support my motion and create equal, accessible, and just banking services for Canadians.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320347\" data-originallang=\"en\"> propose:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320348\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Qu\u2019un comit\u00e9 sp\u00e9cial de la Chambre soit charg\u00e9 de tenir des audiences et de proposer un plan pour un syst\u00e8me de banque postale, qui serait g\u00e9r\u00e9e par la Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 canadienne des postes; que ce Comit\u00e9 soit compos\u00e9 de dix membres, dont six font partie du parti minist\u00e9riel, trois de l\u2019Opposition officielle et un du Nouveau Parti d\u00e9mocratique, pourvu que le pr\u00e9sident appartienne au parti minist\u00e9riel; que, en plus du pr\u00e9sident, il y ait un vice-pr\u00e9sident de chaque parti d\u2019opposition reconnu; qu\u2019il soit conf\u00e9r\u00e9 au Comit\u00e9 tous les pouvoirs d\u2019un comit\u00e9 permanent aux termes du R\u00e8glement; que le Comit\u00e9 soit compos\u00e9 des d\u00e9put\u00e9s inscrits sur une liste que le whip de chaque parti d\u00e9posera aupr\u00e8s du Greffier de la Chambre au plus tard une semaine apr\u00e8s l\u2019adoption de ladite motion; que le quorum du Comit\u00e9 soit conforme aux dispositions de l\u2019article 118 du R\u00e8glement, pour autant qu\u2019au moins un membre de chaque parti reconnu soit pr\u00e9sent; que les membres du Comit\u00e9 puissent, \u00e0 l\u2019occasion et au besoin, se faire remplacer conform\u00e9ment \u00e0 l'article 114(2) du R\u00e8glement; et que le Comit\u00e9 fasse rapport \u00e0 la Chambre au plus tard 12 mois apr\u00e8s l\u2019adoption de cette motion. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320349\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u2014 Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, en tant que porte-parole du NPD dans le dossier de Postes Canada, je suis ravie de pr\u00e9senter la motion M-166 \u00e0 la Chambre aujourd'hui.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320350\" data-originallang=\"en\">Dans un pays aussi vaste et diversifi\u00e9 que le Canada, Postes Canada est le joyau des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s d'\u00c9tat, qui fournit un service essentiel nous permettant de rester en contact les uns avec les autres. Malgr\u00e9 les attaques dont elle et ses travailleurs sont la cible depuis quelques ann\u00e9es, Postes Canada continue de remplir son mandat. Postes Canada est le premier choix d'innombrables commer\u00e7ants, qui, \u00e0 l'\u00e8re num\u00e9rique, envoient aux quatre coins du pays des colis command\u00e9s en ligne.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320351\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous devrions reconna\u00eetre que le travail de Postes Canada est r\u00e9alis\u00e9 par ses travailleurs, qui sont membres du Syndicat des travailleurs et travailleuses des postes ainsi que de l'Association canadienne des ma\u00eetres de poste et adjoints, qui, malgr\u00e9 les pressions vers la privatisation exerc\u00e9es par le n\u00e9o-lib\u00e9ralisme et la mondialisation, continuent de fournir un service public de qualit\u00e9, abordable et accessible \u00e0 l'ensemble de la population.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320352\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis fi\u00e8re d'\u00eatre membre du caucus n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrate, qui a toujours d\u00e9fendu les droits des travailleurs et qui comprend parfaitement qu'il est fondamental, pour la d\u00e9mocratie, de les faire respecter. Aucun d'entre nous ne peut oublier le printemps de 2011 et le fait que la pause estivale de la Chambre ait \u00e9t\u00e9 diff\u00e9r\u00e9e parce que le gouvernement conservateur \u00e0 l'\u00e9poque, voulant s'attaquer \u00e0 la libert\u00e9 d'association, au droit de se syndiquer et de participer \u00e0 des n\u00e9gociations collectives, avait impos\u00e9 une loi de retour au travail aux membres du Syndicat des travailleurs et travailleuses des postes mis en lockout par Postes Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320353\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'encourage tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s \u00e0 se plonger dans le discours que le chef du Nouveau Parti d\u00e9mocratique, Jack Leyton, a donn\u00e9 ici pour d\u00e9fendre les travailleurs et pour s'opposer \u00e0 la loi en question. J'aimerais aussi citer les propos \u00e9logieux que Jack a tenus \u00e0 propos des travailleurs de Postes Canada:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320354\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Je crois qu'il serait impossible de trouver un groupe de Canadiens plus diversifi\u00e9 que celui-l\u00e0. On y voit des gens de toutes les origines. C'est peut-\u00eatre pour cette raison qu'on reconna\u00eet l'importance que rev\u00eat la poste. D'une certaine fa\u00e7on, elle fait partie du processus de communication d\u00e9mocratique qui les a incit\u00e9s \u00e0 venir s'installer au Canada \u2014 l'id\u00e9e que la population peut communiquer librement et faire valoir ses opinions et qu'un service postal public permet aux gens de communiquer entre eux. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320355\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Ils sont nombreux \u00e0 mentionner notamment la Charte des droits dont s'est dot\u00e9 le Canada et \u00e0 dire \u00e0 quel point ils sont fiers d'\u00eatre Canadiens et de travailler pour leurs concitoyens. C'est pourquoi il me para\u00eet d\u00e9plac\u00e9 de les dissocier du reste de la population, comme s'ils ne faisaient pas partie des 33 millions de Canadiens. Ils font autant partie des 33 millions de Canadiens que n'importe qui d'autre. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320356\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ils aident les Canadiens d'un bout \u00e0 l'autre du pays \u00e0 communiquer entre eux. Leur travail permet d'offrir un service qui est important pour tous. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320357\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les d\u00e9put\u00e9s se souviendront peut-\u00eatre que, malgr\u00e9 l'opposition manifest\u00e9e par le NPD, la mesure l\u00e9gislative non d\u00e9mocratique for\u00e7ant le retour au travail a \u00e9t\u00e9 adopt\u00e9e, obligeant les travailleurs \u00e0 accepter une entente qui laissait \u00e0 d\u00e9sirer. Heureusement, en avril 2016, la Cour sup\u00e9rieure de justice de l'Ontario a conclu que le gouvernement Harper avait \u00ab contrevenu \u00e0 la libert\u00e9 d'association [pr\u00e9vue par la Charte] des syndiqu\u00e9s \u00bb en retirant le droit de gr\u00e8ve aux membres du Syndicat des travailleurs et travailleuses des postes. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320358\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je trouve encourageant de savoir que les tribunaux, eux, au moins, savent reconna\u00eetre l'importance des services fournis \u00e0 la population et des protections dont nous jouissons au chapitre de la libert\u00e9 d'association dans une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9mocratique, ce qui n'est pas toujours le cas des gouvernements conservateurs et lib\u00e9raux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320359\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il est effectivement paradoxal que les conservateurs aient nomm\u00e9 leur mesure l\u00e9gislative de retour au travail la Loi sur le r\u00e9tablissement de la livraison du courrier aux Canadiens, d'autant plus qu'ils ont ensuite fait adopter une mesure l\u00e9gislative visant \u00e0 suspendre la livraison de courrier \u00e0 domicile aux Canadiens. Les conservateurs ont agi ainsi en d\u00e9pit du toll\u00e9 soulev\u00e9 par ce changement, plus particuli\u00e8rement chez les a\u00een\u00e9s et les Canadiens handicap\u00e9s, pour qui il est difficile de se rendre jusqu'\u00e0 une bo\u00eete postale communautaire. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320360\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comment oublier l'indiff\u00e9rence du pr\u00e9sident-directeur g\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Postes Canada, Deepak Chopra, qui a r\u00e9agi au toll\u00e9 en affirmant que les a\u00een\u00e9s auraient ainsi l'avantage de faire de l'exercice? C'est honteux. Le cynisme avec lequel il a minimis\u00e9 les pr\u00e9occupations des a\u00een\u00e9s est ahurissant.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320361\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Selon la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 d'\u00c9tat et le gouvernement, la suspension de la livraison \u00e0 domicile \u00e9tait n\u00e9cessaire pour \u00e9quilibrer le budget. Pendant la campagne \u00e9lectorale de 2015, les lib\u00e9raux, sous la houlette de leur chef, le <a data-HoCid=\"214115\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">d\u00e9put\u00e9 de Papineau</a>, ont \u00e9t\u00e9 cat\u00e9goriques: ils ont promis haut et fort qu'ils r\u00e9tabliraient la livraison du courrier \u00e0 domicile et qu'ils seraient les champions de ceux pour qui ce service est essentiel.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320362\" data-originallang=\"en\">On sait maintenant que, comme beaucoup d'autres, cette promesse \u00e9tait con\u00e7ue dans le but de courtiser l'\u00e9lectorat et que, \u00e0 l'instar des promesses \u00e9lectorales sur la r\u00e9forme \u00e9lectorale, la r\u00e9forme fiscale et la protection de l'environnement, celle de r\u00e9tablir la livraison du courrier \u00e0 domicile a \u00e9t\u00e9 mise au rebut d\u00e8s que les lib\u00e9raux, ayant engrang\u00e9 les votes de Canadiens remplis d'espoir, ont obtenu un mandat majoritaire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320363\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous, n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates, savons que nous pouvons faire mieux. Les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates savent que les services publics abordables, accessibles et durables sont indispensables si l'on veut une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 saine et une d\u00e9mocratie vigoureuse o\u00f9 tous peuvent s'exprimer. J'en viens ainsi \u00e0 la motion M-166, qui demande la cr\u00e9ation d'un comit\u00e9 sp\u00e9cial charg\u00e9 d'\u00e9tudier un syst\u00e8me de banque postale qui serait exploit\u00e9 par la Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 canadienne des postes et de proposer un plan pour la mise en place d'un tel service dans un d\u00e9lai d'un an.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320364\" data-originallang=\"en\">Toutefois, j'aimerais d'abord pr\u00e9senter quelques faits et chiffres. Plus de 600 administrations municipales ont adopt\u00e9 des r\u00e9solutions en faveur d'une banque postale. Dans un sondage Stratcom r\u00e9alis\u00e9 en 2013, pr\u00e8s de deux r\u00e9pondants sur trois, soit 63 %, \u00e9taient en faveur d'un \u00e9largissement des services de Postes Canada qui g\u00e9n\u00e8rent des recettes, y compris les services financiers comme le paiement de factures, l'assurance et les services bancaires postaux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320365\" data-originallang=\"en\">Plusieurs ex-pr\u00e9sidents de Postes Canada, dont Michael Warren, Andr\u00e9 Ouellet et Moya Greene, ont \u00e9tudi\u00e9 et m\u00eame promu l'id\u00e9e que la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 d'\u00c9tat offre davantage de services financiers. L\u2019Union postale universelle, un organisme des Nations unies, croit elle aussi que les administrations postales devraient envisager d'\u00e9largir leur gamme de services financiers. Elle a produit une feuille de route mondiale pour l'avenir qui pr\u00e9conise le d\u00e9veloppement continu des r\u00e9seaux postaux sur les plans physique, financier et num\u00e9rique ou \u00e9lectronique.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320366\" data-originallang=\"en\">En 2014, le porte-parole du Parti lib\u00e9ral pour Postes Canada a dit que le bien-fond\u00e9 des services bancaires postaux devrait \u00eatre explor\u00e9 dans le cadre de la recherche de plusieurs options diff\u00e9rentes pour l'avenir de la soci\u00e9t\u00e9. Les d\u00e9put\u00e9s lib\u00e9raux et conservateurs diront que nous avons d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9tudi\u00e9 cette option et qu'elle s'est r\u00e9v\u00e9l\u00e9e non viable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320367\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement Harper a dissimul\u00e9 une \u00e9tude de 2014 indiquant que les services bancaires postaux seraient une initiative avantageuse pour Postes Canada et les collectivit\u00e9s que la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 dessert. De plus, ils g\u00e9n\u00e9reraient des revenus afin de soutenir d'autres services essentiels, notamment la livraison du courrier \u00e0 domicile. Cependant, en 2016, le comit\u00e9 des op\u00e9rations gouvernementales a men\u00e9 une \u00e9tude globale sur Postes Canada, dont une partie portait sur les services bancaires postaux, une option qu'il a jug\u00e9 non viable. C'est bien \u00e9trange, surtout que les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates, les syndicats et la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 civile avaient des raisons de croire que les donn\u00e9es et l'analyse du comit\u00e9 comportaient des lacunes et \u00e9taient incompl\u00e8tes. Il y a de quoi se demander si l'analyse concernant la viabilit\u00e9 des services bancaires postaux de Postes Canada men\u00e9e en 2016 n'a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 influenc\u00e9e par d'autres int\u00e9r\u00eats que l'int\u00e9r\u00eat public.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320368\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les services bancaires postaux ont fait partie de la vie des Canadiens pendant plus d'un si\u00e8cle. Tout de suite apr\u00e8s la Conf\u00e9d\u00e9ration, en 1867, le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral a adopt\u00e9 un projet de loi \u00e9tablissant une caisse d'\u00e9pargne postale afin d'offrir un service d'\u00e9pargne aux gens de la classe moyenne et aux r\u00e9sidants des petites localit\u00e9s.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320369\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce syst\u00e8me de banque postale a lanc\u00e9 ses activit\u00e9s au Canada en 1868, avec 81 points de service. Il a connu une croissance rapide, qui l'a port\u00e9 \u00e0 343 points de service bancaire postal. Apr\u00e8s 16 ans d'existence, le solde de ses pr\u00e8s de 67 000 comptes totalisait 13 millions de dollars. Cependant, dans les ann\u00e9es 1890, le syst\u00e8me de banque postale du Canada a subi la concurrence des banques \u00e0 charte, qui \u00e9taient confront\u00e9es \u00e0 une r\u00e9cession. Ces banques se sont soudainement int\u00e9ress\u00e9es \u00e0 la client\u00e8le de petits \u00e9pargnants des banques postales et elles se sont efforc\u00e9es de porter atteinte aux services bancaires postaux. Petit \u00e0 petit, le lobby des banques \u00e0 charte a r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 faire ramener de 3 % \u00e0 2,5 % le taux d'int\u00e9r\u00eat vers\u00e9 sur les d\u00e9p\u00f4ts aux banques postales et il a quasiment fait interdire \u00e0 celles-ci le droit de faire de la publicit\u00e9. C'est la goutte qui a fait d\u00e9border le vase. Le r\u00e9seau des caisses d'\u00e9pargne postale a \u00e9t\u00e9 aboli en 1969, \u00e0 l'\u00e9poque du gouvernement lib\u00e9ral de Pierre Trudeau. C'\u00e9tait une situation regrettable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320370\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme toute entreprise pour qui les profits passent avant les services \u00e0 la population, les banques priv\u00e9es n'ont aucune objection \u00e0 l'id\u00e9e d'exercer leurs activit\u00e9s dans les petites collectivit\u00e9s et les r\u00e9gions \u00e9loign\u00e9es tant et aussi longtemps que les profits ainsi g\u00e9n\u00e9r\u00e9s correspondent \u00e0 leurs attentes, mais, comme en fait foi la privatisation de services publics f\u00e9d\u00e9raux, provinciaux et municipaux, la d\u00e9pendance \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard des services \u00e0 la population ax\u00e9s sur le march\u00e9 a ses d\u00e9savantages. Lorsqu'on pense \u00e0 l'acc\u00e8s aux services bancaires, l'histoire montre que, aussit\u00f4t que les profits diminuent, m\u00eame s'il y en a encore, les banques priv\u00e9es jugent que les services bancaires ne valent plus la peine et elles plient bagage, ce qui touche les collectivit\u00e9s \u00e9loign\u00e9es et rurales, les communaut\u00e9s autochtones et les r\u00e9gions d\u00e9favoris\u00e9es sur le plan \u00e9conomique.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320371\" data-originallang=\"en\">M\u00eame la coop\u00e9rative Desjardins, une fi\u00e8re institution qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise, a d\u00e9plac\u00e9 certains services, ne laissant m\u00eame pas en place un guichet automatique quand elle estimait que cela n'en valait pas la peine. Comme cela a \u00e9t\u00e9 le cas pour la vente de ressources publiques tels nos voies de chemin de fer, nos lignes \u00e9lectriques, les organismes offrant des services \u00e0 nos a\u00een\u00e9s et nos r\u00e9seaux routiers, le foss\u00e9 s\u00e9parant les nantis et les d\u00e9favoris\u00e9s s'est creus\u00e9 un peu plus, ce qui rend la vie de plus en plus ch\u00e8re pour le Canadien ordinaire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320372\" data-originallang=\"en\">Tous les Canadiens ont le droit d'avoir acc\u00e8s \u00e0 des services bancaires. Cela n'a jamais \u00e9t\u00e9 aussi \u00e9vident qu'aujourd'hui, les prestations sociales faisant l'objet d'un d\u00e9p\u00f4t direct. En l'absence de services bancaires, il est litt\u00e9ralement impossible de payer des factures.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320373\" data-originallang=\"en\">Un peu plus t\u00f4t ce mois-ci, lors de la Commission de la condition de la femme des Nations unies, Francyne Joe, la pr\u00e9sidente de l'Association des femmes autochtones du Canada, a expliqu\u00e9 que des proches des femmes autochtones disparues ou assassin\u00e9es au Canada n'ont pas \u00e9t\u00e9 en mesure de se rendre aux audiences parce qu'ils ne disposaient pas des ressources pour couvrir leurs frais et qu'ils n'ont pas de comptes bancaires par l'interm\u00e9diaire desquels la commission d'enqu\u00eate pourrait les rembourser. Dans cette situation \u00e9minemment tragique, l'absence d'acc\u00e8s \u00e0 des services bancaires constitue litt\u00e9ralement un d\u00e9ni de justice pour les familles qui ont esp\u00e9r\u00e9 et attendu si longtemps que justice soit faite. Nous pouvons faire mieux. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320374\" data-originallang=\"en\">Quand on aborde ces lacunes d'un point de vue intersectionnel, on comprend que les femmes vivant dans les r\u00e9gions \u00e9loign\u00e9es, rurales et en difficult\u00e9 \u00e9conomique sont nettement plus d\u00e9savantag\u00e9es que les hommes par les r\u00e9percussions \u00e9conomiques et sociales n\u00e9gatives de cette situation. Un acc\u00e8s \u00e9gal aux services bancaires dans toutes ces r\u00e9gions aiderait les femmes \u00e0 obtenir l'autonomie financi\u00e8re. Un syst\u00e8me de banque postale pourrait donner lieu \u00e0 la transformation du bureau de poste local en un v\u00e9ritable centre d'habilitation communautaire. Un bureau de poste offrant des services bancaires pourrait entre autres proposer des pr\u00eats pour des projets de r\u00e9novation domiciliaire et commerciale. Une meilleure accessibilit\u00e9 \u00e0 ce genre de services habiliterait les femmes \u00e0 devenir des partenaires \u00e9gales dans la collectivit\u00e9. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320375\" data-originallang=\"en\">Des localit\u00e9s comme London, en Ontario, o\u00f9 j'habite, sont d\u00e9j\u00e0 profond\u00e9ment affect\u00e9es par la mondialisation et le ch\u00f4mage d\u00e9coulant de l'incapacit\u00e9 du gouvernement de conserver de bons emplois au Canada. Les pr\u00eateurs sur salaire ciblent les Canadiens \u00e0 faible revenu auxquels ils r\u00e9clament des taux d'int\u00e9r\u00eat exorbitants. La banque postale constituerait une solution durable assurant des services bancaires accessibles partout au Canada o\u00f9 il n'y a actuellement aucun service de m\u00eame qu'aux personnes qui n'ont pas les moyens de traiter avec les grandes banques ou qui choisissent de ne pas le faire. Par ailleurs, les services bancaires postaux seraient une source de revenus permettant \u00e0 Postes Canada d'offrir davantage de services, notamment le r\u00e9tablissement de la livraison du courrier \u00e0 domicile dans les localit\u00e9s qui r\u00e9clament et qui comptent sur ce service.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320376\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les collectivit\u00e9s comme la mienne sont \u00e9galement s\u00e9rieusement affect\u00e9es par l'insensibilit\u00e9 des grandes banques \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard de leurs besoins. Pas plus tard que l'an dernier, la Banque Toronto Dominion a ferm\u00e9 sa succursale situ\u00e9e \u00e0 l'angle de l'avenue Highbury et du Chemin Hamilton, dans la circonscription de London\u2014Fanshawe, laissant les r\u00e9sidants sans services bancaires. \u00c0 l'heure actuelle, la succursale la plus proche se trouve \u00e0 12 kilom\u00e8tres. Ainsi, cette collectivit\u00e9, principalement constitu\u00e9e d'a\u00een\u00e9s et de personnes \u00e0 revenu limit\u00e9, se retrouve maintenant sans succursale bancaire \u00e0 proximit\u00e9. La Banque TD a laiss\u00e9 tomber ces gens qui se retrouvent maintenant \u00e0 la merci des pr\u00eateurs sur salaire. Quand on fait une recherche sur Google Street View, on peut voir des fen\u00eatres placard\u00e9es \u00e0 l'endroit o\u00f9 se trouvait la succursale de la banque. Je pr\u00e9cise toutefois que dans le m\u00eame p\u00e2t\u00e9 de maisons, on trouve une succursale de Postes Canada. Nous pouvons et nous devons faire mieux. Faisons en sorte que ce bureau de poste devienne \u00e9galement un centre de services bancaires pour toutes les personnes du quartier concern\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320377\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si ma motion est adopt\u00e9e, un comit\u00e9 sp\u00e9cial effectuera une \u00e9tude impartiale et objective du syst\u00e8me de banque postale et prouvera au monde entier ce qu'on sait d\u00e9j\u00e0: les services bancaires postaux sont une option r\u00e9aliste. Le comit\u00e9 serait charg\u00e9 de pr\u00e9senter, dans les 12 mois de l'adoption de la motion, un plan de mise en oeuvre d'un syst\u00e8me de banque postale administr\u00e9 par Postes Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320378\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les lib\u00e9raux disent savoir ce qui convient le mieux aux Canadiens, alors qu'en fait, leurs mesures ne servent que leurs amis influents et du milieu des affaires. Leurs r\u00e9ductions d'imp\u00f4t servent les int\u00e9r\u00eats des riches. Ils refusent d'\u00e9liminer les \u00e9chappatoires qui font en sorte que des milliards de dollars de revenus peuvent \u00eatre dissimul\u00e9s dans des paradis fiscaux \u00e0 l'\u00e9tranger. Ils ont rompu leur promesse en ce qui concerne la r\u00e9forme \u00e9lectorale, et leur Banque de l'infrastructure placera les services publics sous l'autorit\u00e9 des soci\u00e9t\u00e9s priv\u00e9es. Les lib\u00e9raux disent avoir d\u00e9j\u00e0 envisag\u00e9 la solution des services bancaires postaux, mais ont relev\u00e9 des lacunes, tout particuli\u00e8rement parce que ces services r\u00e9duiront les profits obtenus par leurs amis des banques et du milieu des affaires. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320379\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates savent que les services bancaires postaux sont une solution qui donne des r\u00e9sultats. Je demande \u00e0 la Chambre d'appuyer ma motion et de cr\u00e9er des services bancaires \u00e9quitables, accessibles et justes \u00e0 l'endroit des Canadiens.</p>"
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"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/irene-mathyssen-1/",
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"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
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"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
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"time": "2018-03-26 11:15:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Kevin Lamoureux (Parliamentary Secretary to the Leader of the Government in the House of Commons, Lib.)",
"fr": "M. Kevin Lamoureux (secr\u00e9taire parlementaire de la leader du gouvernement \u00e0 la Chambre des communes, Lib.)"
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"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320380\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I am a bit surprised by the manner in which the member concluded her remarks. She tried to give a false impression, as if the Liberal government is supporting corporations and not providing tax breaks, when the record will clearly show that nothing is further from the truth. In fact, if anyone has been voting against tax breaks for our middle class and those aspiring to be part of it and supporting lower-income people through the child benefit and so much more, it is the NDP in the House. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320381\" data-originallang=\"en\">Let me get to the subject. With regard to Canada Post, again we hear misinformation. The Liberal Party, prior to the election, said that if we formed government, there would be a moratorium. That moratorium was put in place when we formed government. We are no longer seeing door-to-door delivery continuing to evaporate. Those who are receiving it, continue to receive it. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320382\" data-originallang=\"en\">There was a public task force. First, could the member tell the House what the conclusions were from that public task force on Canada Post, if she is aware of them? Second, has the member approached any other committee with this resolution to see if any other standing committee of the House would be interested in pursuing what she is asking us to do?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320380\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, je suis un peu \u00e9tonn\u00e9 de la fa\u00e7on dont la d\u00e9put\u00e9e a conclu ses observations. Elle donne faussement l'impression que le gouvernement lib\u00e9ral appuie les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s et n'accorde pas d'all\u00e9gements fiscaux, alors que le bilan du gouvernement montre clairement que rien n'est plus faux. En fait, s'il y a bien un parti qui s'est oppos\u00e9 aux all\u00e9gements fiscaux \u00e0 l'endroit de la classe moyenne et ceux aspirant \u00e0 en faire partie, ou au fait d'aider les personnes \u00e0 faible revenu au moyen de l'Allocation canadienne pour enfants et j'en passe, c'est le NPD. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320381\" data-originallang=\"en\">Venons-en au fait. En ce qui concerne Postes Canada, on entend de nouveau des renseignements erron\u00e9s. Le Parti lib\u00e9ral, avant les \u00e9lections, avait d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que, si nous acc\u00e9dions au pouvoir, il y aurait un moratoire. Ce moratoire a \u00e9t\u00e9 mis en place lorsque nous sommes arriv\u00e9s au pouvoir. On a cess\u00e9 d'\u00e9liminer des services de livraison \u00e0 domicile. Ceux dont le courrier est livr\u00e9 \u00e0 domicile continuent de recevoir leur courrier \u00e0 domicile. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320382\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a eu un groupe de travail. Premi\u00e8rement, la d\u00e9put\u00e9e pourrait-elle dire \u00e0 la Chambre quelles ont \u00e9t\u00e9 les conclusions du groupe de travail sur la Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 canadienne des postes? Les conna\u00eet-elle? Deuxi\u00e8mement, la d\u00e9put\u00e9e a-t-elle fait part de la proposition \u00e0 un autre comit\u00e9 pour voir si un autre comit\u00e9 permanent de la Chambre envisagerait de faire ce qu'elle nous demande de faire?</p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/kevin-lamoureux-1/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/kevin-lamoureux/",
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"procedural": false,
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"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Irene Mathyssen",
"fr": "Mme Irene Mathyssen"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320383\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, the only false impression was the one the government created when it led people to believe that if they voted for this government, they would get their home mail delivery back. Sure, they put on a moratorium, but 800,000 people, including seniors and people living with handicaps, cannot access the community mailboxes when the snow is piled high. If anyone knows about piling it high, it is the government. In terms of its so-called tax breaks, those who have the most got the most. Tax havens and loopholes are still there. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320384\" data-originallang=\"en\">In fact, in 2005, there was a study, and that study said that postal banking would be an important thing to pursue. The government squashed it. In 2016, there was another study. I asked for it, and it was all redacted. They are terrified, because their banking friends do not like it. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320383\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, seuls les lib\u00e9raux ont donn\u00e9 une fausse impression, en faisant croire aux \u00e9lecteurs qu'ils r\u00e9tabliraient la livraison du courrier \u00e0 domicile une fois \u00e9lus. Certes, le gouvernement a impos\u00e9 un moratoire, mais il reste que 800 000 personnes, dont des a\u00een\u00e9s et des handicap\u00e9s, n'ont pas acc\u00e8s aux bo\u00eetes postales communautaires lorsque la neige au sol est abondante. Le gouvernement s'y conna\u00eet en mati\u00e8re d'abondance. Ses pr\u00e9sum\u00e9s all\u00e9gements fiscaux favorisent les plus riches. Soulignons que les paradis et les \u00e9chappatoires fiscaux existent toujours. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320384\" data-originallang=\"en\">En fait, une \u00e9tude de 2005 a conclut que l'id\u00e9e d'un syst\u00e8me de banque postale m\u00e9rite notre attention. Le gouvernement l'a rejet\u00e9e. Une autre \u00e9tude a \u00e9t\u00e9 men\u00e9e en 2016. L'exemplaire du rapport que j'ai demand\u00e9 m'est parvenu tout caviard\u00e9. Les lib\u00e9raux sont terrifi\u00e9s, car cette proposition est loin d'enchanter leurs copains des banques. </p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/irene-mathyssen-2/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/irene-mathyssen/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/498/",
"procedural": false,
"source_id": "10031808",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Rachel Blaney (North Island\u2014Powell River, NDP)",
"fr": "Mme Rachel Blaney (North Island\u2014Powell River, NPD)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320385\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, the reality for so many Canadians is that they do not have access to banking. I think of urban areas, where people who are really struggling financially are working with payday lenders as opposed to banks. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320386\" data-originallang=\"en\">Communities, like the many I serve, that are rural and remote do not have banks. I think specifically of a community in my riding, Gold River, that lost its banking access and then soon after lost its grocery store, and people are now driving about an hour just to go to the bank and do their grocery shopping. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320387\" data-originallang=\"en\">It seems to me that this is a practical solution, something that has worked in other countries. I would like the member to talk about why the motion is so important and why this is really about lifting people out of poverty and giving them opportunities. It is about remembering that small communities deserve it. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320385\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, en v\u00e9rit\u00e9, beaucoup de Canadiens n'ont pas acc\u00e8s \u00e0 des services bancaires. Je pense aux gens des r\u00e9gions urbaines qui connaissent de graves difficult\u00e9s financi\u00e8res et qui font affaire avec des pr\u00eateurs sur salaire plut\u00f4t que des banques. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320386\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les localit\u00e9s rurales et \u00e9loign\u00e9es comme celles que je repr\u00e9sente n'ont pas de banque. Je pense en particulier \u00e0 Gold River dans ma circonscription, qui a perdu son \u00e9picerie peu apr\u00e8s avoir perdu sa banque. Les gens de l'endroit doivent maintenant faire une heure de route environ pour faire des transactions bancaires ou des courses. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320387\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il s'agit d'une solution pratique qui a fait ses preuves ailleurs. J'aimerais que la d\u00e9put\u00e9e nous explique l'importance de la motion. En quoi contribuera-t-elle \u00e0 tirer les gens de la pauvret\u00e9 et \u00e0 leur ouvrir des possibilit\u00e9s? Les petites collectivit\u00e9s ne m\u00e9ritent rien de moins. </p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/rachel-blaney-1/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/rachel-blaney/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4199/",
"procedural": false,
"source_id": "10031810",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Irene Mathyssen",
"fr": "Mme Irene Mathyssen"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320388\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I thank my colleague for a question that is pertinent and that actually illuminates how important postal banking is for smaller communities. As I said in my remarks, there are communities where people do not have access to government support because government support comes in the form of direct deposits. If there is no bank, access to one's own money becomes impossible. There are communities where people have to go several hundred kilometres to find an ATM, because the banks do not care. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320389\" data-originallang=\"en\">In terms of other countries, France has postal banking and Italy has postal banking, and they are very successful. There are a number of postal banks, including in New Zealand. Even Switzerland has a postal banking system that works very well.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320390\" data-originallang=\"en\">With respect to payday lenders, the vultures are out there everywhere. They will take a $100 loan and turn it into a $60,000 debt. It takes a while, but if people do not have the money to pay back the $100, they sure cannot pay back that long-term loan. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320388\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, je remercie ma coll\u00e8gue de sa question, qui est pertinente et qui fait ressortir l'importance de la banque postale pour les petites collectivit\u00e9s. Comme je l'ai dit dans mes observations, dans certaines municipalit\u00e9s, les gens n'ont pas acc\u00e8s \u00e0 l'aide financi\u00e8re du gouvernement car elle est offerte sous forme de d\u00e9p\u00f4t direct. Sans banque, il est impossible d'acc\u00e9der \u00e0 ses fonds. \u00c0 certains endroits, les gens doivent parcourir des centaines de kilom\u00e8tres pour trouver un guichet automatique parce que les banques sont sans scrupules.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320389\" data-originallang=\"en\">De nombreux pays, dont la France, l'Italie, la Nouvelle-Z\u00e9lande et m\u00eame la Suisse, ont un syst\u00e8me de banque postale qui fonctionne tr\u00e8s bien.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320390\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui a trait aux pr\u00eateurs sur salaire, les vautours sont partout. Ils transforment un pr\u00eat de 100 $ en une dette de 60 000 $. Cela prend un bout de temps, mais si la personne n'a pas les moyens de rembourser les 100 $, elle n'a certainement pas les moyens de rembourser ce pr\u00eat \u00e0 long terme.</p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/irene-mathyssen-3/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/irene-mathyssen/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/498/",
"procedural": false,
"source_id": "10031814",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Yasmin Ratansi (Don Valley East, Lib.)",
"fr": "Mme Yasmin Ratansi (Don Valley-Est, Lib.)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320391\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, the motion before the House calls for the creation of a special committee to conduct hearings and propose a plan for a postal banking system.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320392\" data-originallang=\"en\">On January 24, 2018, the <a data-HoCid=\"233810\" href=\"/politicians/carla-qualtrough/\" title=\"Carla Qualtrough\">Minister of Public Services and Procurement</a> announced our government's new service-first vision focused on the renewal of Canada Post. Let me briefly talk about this renewal and the new service-first vision.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320393\" data-originallang=\"en\">Our government is committed to the renewal of Canada Post to make sure that it remains relevant and viable over the long term and that it continues to provide good, middle-class jobs and valued services to Canadians. This renewal is based on a new service-focused vision, in which Canada Post provides high-quality services at a reasonable price to Canadians, no matter where they live. That vision has been reinforced by the decision to terminate the program to convert door-to-door delivery to community mailboxes. As members know, that program was temporarily suspended in October 2015. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320394\" data-originallang=\"en\">Our government also responded to the many concerns faced by seniors and others with mobility challenges vis-\u00e0-vis community mailboxes. Canada Post will develop an enhanced accessible delivery program that will ultimately result in improved services for tens of thousands of Canadians.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320395\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have also asked Canada Post to set up a national advisory panel that would include experts and advocates for seniors and people with disabilities as well as Canadians with lived experience, who would provide guidance on improving the existing program.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320396\" data-originallang=\"en\">I also want to reiterate what my colleague said about the importance of new leadership being central to implementing this new vision and renewing this iconic Canadian institution. We know that significant changes are needed to ensure that Canada Post is relevant and financial sustainable over the long run. That is why Canada Post needs to embrace innovation, experiment with pilot projects, adopt best practices, and more fully address market trends, new technologies, and shifts in the needs and expectations of Canadians. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320397\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is about creating a new culture, a new mindset, that encourages greater collaboration and co-operation between Canada Post's management and unions. We know that our chances of success are improved when Canada Post and affected communities, unions, employees, and other stakeholders are engaged in renewal. Collaboration is needed at all levels. It is about a new way of thinking. It is about exploring opportunities to partner across the federal government with other jurisdictions and communities to leverage, for instance, the unique retail network of Canada Post. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320398\" data-originallang=\"en\">This brings me to the issue of postal banking. This motion calls for public hearings on postal banking. Public consultations and engagement with stakeholders were an essential part of the comprehensive, evidence-based review of Canada Post undertaken by the government. As part of this review, postal banking was thoroughly analyzed by the independent task force that was established and by the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates. The independent task force met with unions, municipalities, postal experts, and other stakeholders. It carefully considered postal banking in its review and its discussion paper entitled, \u201cCanada Post in the digital age\u201d. We even reviewed the status of postal banking globally.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320399\" data-originallang=\"en\">The independent task force conducted extensive public opinion research in order to get, \u201ca statistically representative view of Canadians and businesses from which conclusions could be drawn\u201d.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320400\" data-originallang=\"en\">To support its fact finding and evidence gathering, the task force also retained the services of experts in areas such as financial analysis and international postal services. For instance, Oliver Wyman, a global management consulting firm, was contracted to identify and assess potential business opportunities, such as postal banking.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320401\" data-originallang=\"en\">The executive summary of the discussion paper prepared by the task force states:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320402\" data-originallang=\"en\"> On the issue of postal banking, a comprehensive examination of the proposal was undertaken by third-party experts and informed by the views of Canadians who corresponded or submitted their opinions online, as well as by the presentations of other stakeholders, notably postal unions, that were engaged during the review process. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320403\" data-originallang=\"en\">As I mentioned, the task force conducted public opinion research on postal banking. It found that most Canadians do not feel that postal banking would be a good fit for Canada Post, nor are they likely to use such a service. The task force concluded:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320404\" data-originallang=\"en\"> While full-scale postal banking is unlikely to succeed within the Canadian context, a partnership model with banks or credit unions could be considered in corporate post offices in select under-served remote communities...provided financial institutions have an interest in this initiative. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320405\" data-originallang=\"en\">As the vice-chair of the Standing Committee on Government Operations and Estimates, I can emphasize that we also heard significant representation from experts and stakeholders on postal banking. For example, in reference to the research conducted by his firm, Mr. Bruce Spear of Oliver Wyman stated:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320406\" data-originallang=\"en\"> By and large, what we found with regard to postal banking was that it required too many capabilities that were non-core to Canada Post and would require a significant amount of risk in terms of getting into the lending side of the business. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320407\" data-originallang=\"en\">The chair of the task force, Madame Fran\u00e7oise Bertrand, also appeared before the committee on September 20, 2016. At her appearance she discussed postal banking. She said that postal banking would be costly to operate because of such considerations as IT and security. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320408\" data-originallang=\"en\">The feedback of these and other experts and stakeholders was reflected in the report and recommendations of the standing committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320409\" data-originallang=\"en\">Moreover, I would be remiss if I did not mention the work of individual parliamentarians who hosted town hall meetings with their constituents and provided feedback to the government as part of our review of Canada Post.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320410\" data-originallang=\"en\">Overall, we had broad and inclusive dialogue on Canada Post. The government listened to what we heard and carefully considered the findings and recommendations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320411\" data-originallang=\"en\">I was one of the MPs who read the 900-page report of the experts and was able to put that into the report that we finally prepared. Therefore, I would ask my colleague who spoke earlier, do we need another committee, another round of public hearings, another study on postal banking when a thorough review has already been done?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320412\" data-originallang=\"en\">I believe there is another way, a more practical and realistic path.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320413\" data-originallang=\"en\">I cannot overstate the importance of new leadership in implementing our new service-focused vision for Canada Post. We want to move forward with the long-term renewal of Canada Post.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320414\" data-originallang=\"en\">Canada Post has one of the largest retail networks in Canada, and in some communities, particularly in rural Canada, it is the only federal presence. There are opportunities to leverage that network to help the federal government and other jurisdictions provide improved access to services, especially in rural and remote areas.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320415\" data-originallang=\"en\">Both the task force and the committee highlighted the potential benefits of innovative partnerships, which could potentially include financial service partnerships if a community identifies such a need. We did communicate that to the municipalities.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320416\" data-originallang=\"en\">Our government's new vision for Canada Post is partly based on the development of a stronger and more constructive relationship between the corporation, its workers, and the communities in which it operates. This vision will be pursued by the new leadership at Canada Post, but it will take time. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320417\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is fair to say that all of us want Canada Post to succeed, so let us focus on supporting the new leadership, encouraging more innovation and collaboration, and bringing about positive change.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320391\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, la motion dont la Chambre est saisie demande la formation d'un comit\u00e9 sp\u00e9cial charg\u00e9 de tenir des audiences et de proposer un plan pour la cr\u00e9ation d'un syst\u00e8me bancaire postal. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320392\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le 24 janvier 2018, la <a data-HoCid=\"233810\" href=\"/politicians/carla-qualtrough/\" title=\"Carla Qualtrough\">ministre des Services publics et de l\u2019Approvisionnement</a> a annonc\u00e9 que le gouvernement pr\u00e9voit que le renouvellement de Postes Canada lui permettra de prioriser le service. Je parlerai bri\u00e8vement du renouvellement et de notre vision qui vise \u00e0 donner la vedette au service.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320393\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement soutient sans r\u00e9serve le renouvellement de Postes Canada afin qu'elle demeure pertinente et viable \u00e0 long terme et qu'elle continue de fournir de bons emplois \u00e0 la classe moyenne de m\u00eame qu'un service appr\u00e9ci\u00e9 par la population. Le renouvellement se fonde sur une vision ax\u00e9e sur le service pour que Postes Canada soit en mesure d'offrir aux Canadiens un service de grande qualit\u00e9 \u00e0 un prix raisonnable, o\u00f9 qu'ils vivent. Cette vision a \u00e9t\u00e9 appuy\u00e9e par la d\u00e9cision de mettre fin au passage de la livraison \u00e0 domicile aux bo\u00eetes postales communautaires. Comme les d\u00e9put\u00e9s le savent, le programme a \u00e9t\u00e9 temporairement suspendu en octobre 2015. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320394\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement a \u00e9galement r\u00e9pondu aux diverses craintes des a\u00een\u00e9s et des personnes \u00e0 mobilit\u00e9 r\u00e9duite relatives aux bo\u00eetes postales communautaires. Postes Canada va mettre sur pied un programme de livraison accessible am\u00e9lior\u00e9 qui entra\u00eenera au bout du compte une am\u00e9lioration du service offert \u00e0 des dizaines de milliers de Canadiens.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320395\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons aussi demand\u00e9 \u00e0 Postes Canada de cr\u00e9er un groupe consultatif national qui serait compos\u00e9 de sp\u00e9cialistes et de d\u00e9fenseurs des personnes \u00e2g\u00e9es et des personnes handicap\u00e9es ainsi que de Canadiens directement touch\u00e9s par la situation. Ce groupe serait charg\u00e9 de donner des conseils sur les moyens d'am\u00e9liorer le programme actuel.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320396\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je veux aussi insister sur ce que ma coll\u00e8gue a d\u00e9j\u00e0 dit, \u00e0 savoir qu'il faudra une nouvelle orientation pour concr\u00e9tiser cette vision et renouveler cette institution embl\u00e9matique du Canada. Comme on le sait, il faudra apporter des changements importants pour que la Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 canadienne des postes reste pertinente et financi\u00e8rement viable \u00e0 long terme. C'est pourquoi elle doit miser sur l'innovation, tester des projets pilotes, adopter des pratiques exemplaires et tenir compte encore plus des tendances du march\u00e9, des nouvelles technologies ainsi que des nouveaux besoins et des nouvelles attentes des Canadiens. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320397\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il s'agit d'instaurer une nouvelle culture et une nouvelle fa\u00e7on de penser qui favorisent encore plus la collaboration et la coop\u00e9ration entre la direction de Postes Canada et les syndicats. Comme on le sait, nous avons de meilleures chances de r\u00e9ussir lorsque Postes Canada, les populations touch\u00e9es, les syndicats, les employ\u00e9s et les autres intervenants participent activement au renouveau. Il faut que tous les paliers collaborent. Il faut penser autrement. Il faut envisager de nouveaux modes d'association entre le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral, les autres ordres de gouvernement et la population en tirant profit, par exemple, du r\u00e9seau de points de service qui est propre \u00e0 Postes Canada. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320398\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voil\u00e0 qui m'am\u00e8ne \u00e0 la question du syst\u00e8me de banque postale. La motion demande qu'on tienne des audiences publiques portant sur un syst\u00e8me de banque postale. Une partie essentielle de l'examen exhaustif fond\u00e9 sur des donn\u00e9es probantes que le gouvernement a men\u00e9 sur Postes Canada reposait sur des consultations publiques et des discussions avec les intervenants. Dans le cadre de cet examen, le syst\u00e8me de banque postale a \u00e9t\u00e9 analys\u00e9 attentivement par le groupe de travail ind\u00e9pendant qu'on a form\u00e9 et par le Comit\u00e9 permanent des op\u00e9rations gouvernementales et des pr\u00e9visions budg\u00e9taires. Le groupe de travail ind\u00e9pendant a rencontr\u00e9 des repr\u00e9sentants de syndicats et de municipalit\u00e9s, des experts postaux et d'autres intervenants. Il a port\u00e9 une attention particuli\u00e8re au syst\u00e8me de banque postale dans le cadre de son \u00e9tude ainsi que dans son document de travail intitul\u00e9 \u00ab Postes Canada \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e8re du num\u00e9rique \u00bb. On a m\u00eame examin\u00e9 l'\u00e9tat des services bancaires postaux dans le monde.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320399\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le groupe de travail ind\u00e9pendant a effectu\u00e9 une analyse approfondie de l'opinion publique afin d'obtenir \u00ab un aper\u00e7u statistiquement repr\u00e9sentatif des points de vue des Canadiens et des entreprises \u00e0 partir duquel des conclusions pourraient \u00eatre tir\u00e9es \u00bb.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320400\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour appuyer ses activit\u00e9s de recherche de renseignements et de collecte de donn\u00e9es probantes, le groupe de travail a aussi retenu les services d'experts dans des domaines comme l'analyse financi\u00e8re et les services postaux internationaux. Par exemple, les services d'Oliver Wyman, une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 d'experts-conseils en gestion internationale, ont \u00e9t\u00e9 retenus pour rep\u00e9rer et \u00e9valuer des possibilit\u00e9s d'affaires potentielles, comme le service bancaire postal.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320401\" data-originallang=\"en\">Selon le sommaire du document de travail pr\u00e9par\u00e9 par le groupe de travail:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320402\" data-originallang=\"en\"> En ce qui concerne la question du service bancaire postal, un examen exhaustif de la proposition a \u00e9t\u00e9 entrepris par des sp\u00e9cialistes en la mati\u00e8re. Cet examen a \u00e9t\u00e9 aliment\u00e9 par les opinions des Canadiens et d\u2019autres parties prenantes, ainsi que par les m\u00e9moires re\u00e7us, notamment des syndiqu\u00e9s postaux, consult\u00e9s au cours du processus. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320403\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme je l'ai mentionn\u00e9, le groupe de travail a men\u00e9 un sondage d\u2019opinion publique sur le service bancaire postal. Il a conclu que la majorit\u00e9 des Canadiens estiment que le service bancaire postal ne cadrait pas bien avec Postes Canada et qu'ils sont peu susceptibles de l'utiliser. Le groupe de travail a d\u00e9termin\u00e9 ceci:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320404\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Bien qu\u2019il soit peu probable qu\u2019un service bancaire postal \u00e0 grande \u00e9chelle soit viable dans le contexte canadien, un mod\u00e8le de partenariat avec les banques ou les coop\u00e9ratives d\u2019\u00e9pargne et de cr\u00e9dit pourrait \u00eatre envisag\u00e9 dans les bureaux de poste de la Soci\u00e9t\u00e9 de certaines collectivit\u00e9s \u00e9loign\u00e9es o\u00f9 le niveau de service est inad\u00e9quat [...] \u00e0 condition que des institutions financi\u00e8res manifestent un int\u00e9r\u00eat. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320405\" data-originallang=\"en\">En tant que vice-pr\u00e9sidente du Comit\u00e9 permanent des op\u00e9rations gouvernementales et des pr\u00e9visions budg\u00e9taires, je peux faire remarquer que nous avons aussi entendu beaucoup de pr\u00e9sentations d'experts et d'intervenants sur le service bancaire postal. Par exemple, dans le cadre de ses propos sur la recherche effectu\u00e9e par son entreprise, M. Bruce Spear d'Oliver Wyman a affirm\u00e9 ceci:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320406\" data-originallang=\"en\"> G\u00e9n\u00e9ralement parlant, nous avons conclu que l\u2019offre de services bancaires exigeait de trop nombreuses comp\u00e9tences ext\u00e9rieures au domaine de sp\u00e9cialisation de Postes Canada et comportait un risque substantiel li\u00e9 \u00e0 l\u2019activit\u00e9 de pr\u00eat. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320407\" data-originallang=\"en\">La pr\u00e9sidente du groupe de travail, Mme Fran\u00e7oise Bertrand, a aussi comparu devant le Comit\u00e9 le 20 septembre 2016. Lors de son t\u00e9moignage, elle a affirm\u00e9 que l'exploitation d'un service bancaire postal serait co\u00fbteuse \u00e0 cause de consid\u00e9rations comme les technologies de l'information et la s\u00e9curit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320408\" data-originallang=\"en\">La r\u00e9troaction de ces personnes, ainsi que d'autres experts et intervenants, a \u00e9t\u00e9 prise en compte dans le rapport et les recommandations du Comit\u00e9 permanent des op\u00e9rations gouvernementales et des pr\u00e9visions budg\u00e9taires.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320409\" data-originallang=\"en\">Par ailleurs, je m'en voudrais de ne pas mentionner le travail des parlementaires qui ont organis\u00e9 des assembl\u00e9es publiques aupr\u00e8s des \u00e9lecteurs de leur circonscription et qui ont formul\u00e9 des observations au gouvernement dans le cadre de l'examen gouvernemental de Postes Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320410\" data-originallang=\"en\">Dans l'ensemble, nous avons eu un dialogue large et inclusif sur Postes Canada. Le gouvernement a \u00e9cout\u00e9 ce qu'on lui a dit et il a examin\u00e9 attentivement les conclusions et les recommandations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320411\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je fais partie des d\u00e9put\u00e9s qui ont lu le rapport de 900 pages r\u00e9dig\u00e9 par les experts. J'ai \u00e9t\u00e9 en mesure d'int\u00e9grer ses conclusions dans le rapport que nous avons fini par pr\u00e9parer. Je veux donc demander \u00e0 ma coll\u00e8gue qui a parl\u00e9 plus t\u00f4t si elle croit que nous avons besoin de cr\u00e9er un nouveau comit\u00e9, de tenir d'autres audiences publiques et de mener une autre \u00e9tude sur le syst\u00e8me de banque postale, alors qu'un examen approfondi a d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9t\u00e9 effectu\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320412\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je pense que nous devrions opter pour une autre solution, qui serait plus pratique et r\u00e9aliste.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320413\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je n'insisterai jamais assez sur le r\u00f4le essentiel que jouera un leadership renouvel\u00e9 dans la mise en oeuvre de la nouvelle vision que nous avons pour Postes Canada, une vision ax\u00e9e sur le service. Nous souhaitons ouvrir la voie au renouvellement \u00e0 long terme de Postes Canada. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320414\" data-originallang=\"en\">Postes Canada dispose de l'un des r\u00e9seaux de vente au d\u00e9tail les plus \u00e9tendus au pays. Ses succursales sont la seule pr\u00e9sence f\u00e9d\u00e9rale dans certaines localit\u00e9s, particuli\u00e8rement en r\u00e9gion rurale. Ce r\u00e9seau pourrait permettre au gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral et \u00e0 d'autres administrations d'am\u00e9liorer l'acc\u00e8s aux services, particuli\u00e8rement dans les r\u00e9gions rurales ou \u00e9loign\u00e9es.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320415\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le groupe de travail et le comit\u00e9 ont parl\u00e9 des avantages que pourraient offrir des partenariats novateurs, par exemple des partenariats en mati\u00e8re de services financiers si une collectivit\u00e9 a des besoins dans ce domaine. Nous avons transmis cette id\u00e9e aux municipalit\u00e9s.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320416\" data-originallang=\"en\">La nouvelle vision du gouvernement pour Postes Canada s'appuie notamment sur l'\u00e9tablissement d'une relation renforc\u00e9e et constructive entre l'entreprise, ses travailleurs et les collectivit\u00e9s o\u00f9 elle est pr\u00e9sente. Les nouveaux dirigeants de Postes Canada oeuvreront \u00e0 concr\u00e9tiser cette vision, mais cela ne se fera pas du jour au lendemain.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320417\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous souhaitons tous le succ\u00e8s de Postes Canada, bien s\u00fbr. Il faut donc voir \u00e0 soutenir les nouveaux dirigeants, \u00e0 encourager l'innovation et la collaboration, et \u00e0 faire en sorte que l'entreprise parvienne \u00e0 des changements positifs.</p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/yasmin-ratansi-1/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/yasmin-ratansi/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4293/",
"procedural": false,
"source_id": "10031817",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Irene Mathyssen",
"fr": "Mme Irene Mathyssen"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320418\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, on a point of order, I request that since the member has made a point of talking virtually in her entire speech about the 2016 report of the task force, that she table it, unredacted, in both official languages.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320418\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, j'invoque le R\u00e8glement. Comme la d\u00e9put\u00e9e a consacr\u00e9 presque tout son discours au rapport publi\u00e9 en 2016 par le groupe de travail, je demande qu'elle d\u00e9pose le rapport int\u00e9gral, non censur\u00e9, dans les deux langues officielles.</p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/irene-mathyssen-4/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/irene-mathyssen/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/498/",
"procedural": false,
"source_id": "10031833",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:35:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)",
"fr": "La vice-pr\u00e9sidente adjointe (Mme Carol Hughes)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320419\" data-originallang=\"en\">Does the hon. member have unanimous consent to ask to have that document tabled?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320419\" data-originallang=\"en\">La d\u00e9put\u00e9e a-t-elle le consentement unanime de la Chambre pour demander le d\u00e9p\u00f4t du document? </p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/the-assistant-deputy-speaker-a-1/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/carol-hughes/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/1071/",
"procedural": true,
"source_id": "10031834",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:35:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Some hon. members",
"fr": "Des voix"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320420\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Agreed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320421\" data-originallang=\"en\"> No.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320420\" data-originallang=\"en\"> D'accord.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320421\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Non.</p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/some-hon-members-a-3/",
"politician_url": null,
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"procedural": false,
"source_id": "p5320420",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:35:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "The Assistant Deputy Speaker (Mrs. Carol Hughes)",
"fr": "La vice-pr\u00e9sidente adjointe (Mme Carol Hughes)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320422\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I would mention to members that there are no questions and comments during the rest of private members' business on this topic. The member for London\u2014Fanshawe will have an opportunity to include additional comments at the end of the debate on the motion. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320424\" data-originallang=\"en\">Resuming debate, the hon. member for Bow River.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320422\" data-originallang=\"en\"> J'aimerais rappeler aux d\u00e9put\u00e9s qu'il n'y a pas de p\u00e9riode de questions et observations sur cette question d'ici la fin des initiatives parlementaires. La d\u00e9put\u00e9e de London\u2014Fanshawe aura l'occasion de faire d'autres observations \u00e0 la fin du d\u00e9bat sur la motion. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320424\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous reprenons le d\u00e9bat. Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de Bow River a la parole. </p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2018/3/26/the-assistant-deputy-speaker-a-2/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/carol-hughes/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/1071/",
"procedural": true,
"source_id": "p5320422",
"h1": {
"en": "Private Members' Business",
"fr": "Initiatives Parlementaires"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Postal Banking System",
"fr": "Le syst\u00e8me de banque postale"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2018/3/26/"
},
{
"time": "2018-03-26 11:35:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Martin Shields (Bow River, CPC)",
"fr": "M. Martin Shields (Bow River, PCC)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320425\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, yesterday's solution to a problem that does not exist: that is what this motion is about. I acknowledge my hon. colleague's good intentions in introducing this motion, but I cannot support Motion No. 166, and here is why. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320426\" data-originallang=\"en\">Canada Post provided banking services from 1869 to 1968, for about 100 years. That system was ended under then prime minister Pierre Trudeau who, as we all know, was a great proponent of reducing the role of the government. That his government ended this system should tell us something. It should really give us pause here that a former prime minister who loved to expand the role of the government saw that this system was out of date in the 1960s, yet 50 years later we are debating it again.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320427\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Re-establishing a postal bank probably would contravene the Bank Act, the Trust and Loan Companies Act, and the Financial Administration Act. There would be a huge cost to regulatory compliance. That is where this idea really starts running into issues. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320428\" data-originallang=\"en\">Canada Post is a crown corporation. Therefore, it is the taxpayers who would bear the risk of the proposed postal bank's operations. The taxpayers have suffered enough. Taxpayers should not now be called upon to risk their hard-earned money on something that stopped making sense in 1968. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320429\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Moreover, Canada already has a robust, stable network of financial institutions. Our banking system is a key pillar of our national economy and is absolutely critical. It is internationally recognized as one of the best in the world. In sharp contrast to financial institutions elsewhere, our banks did not need bailouts during the 2008 crisis. All that needs to be done is to let our banking system continue operating successfully of its own accord. If there is a new market entrant that offers consumers value, that would be great. However, it is not the place for taxpayers to bear the risk for that market entrant. We should not be picking winners and losers in the public and private sectors. Why would we risk taxpayers' money in an industry that is already functioning successfully? We already have the government's infrastructure bank to do that for us.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320430\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Liberal government loves to spend taxpayers' money on any scheme it can find. That is why we went from small deficits that the Liberals promised in the last election campaign to the massive spending we are seeing now. Please, let us not give them any more ideas on how to spend taxpayers' money. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320431\" data-originallang=\"en\">I think Canadians can be excused if they are a bit leery of getting involved in a new government plan. It is a great time to be a lobbyist looking for government hand-outs and a bad time to be a small business owner. Frankly, I am worried that this motion is going to give the government more ideas. Canada needs less government intervention, not more. I know some of my hon. colleagues do not share my views on the role of government, but surely they can agree we should not be intervening where we are not needed. It is a no-brainer. We should stay out of it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320432\" data-originallang=\"en\">The proposal is a solution looking for a problem. It reminds me of Groucho Marx's remark, \u201cPolitics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies.\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320433\" data-originallang=\"en\">I have heard the suggestion that we need Canada Post banking because financial services are inaccessible in Canada. Really? According to the World Bank, 99% of Canadian adults already have an account with a financial institution. In fact, there are more options for banking than ever before. Banking in Canada and around the world has been revolutionized over the past few decades. Online is already becoming the preferred method of banking. Smart phones let us use our mobile devices to bank. Canadians are increasingly adopting mobile banking with 31% using it as of 2017. The sector is innovating so quickly that many young Canadians do not even use credit cards. Three of my grandchildren are among them. This is not a market that Canada Post can just awkwardly be inserted into.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320434\" data-originallang=\"en\">In China, 980 million of its population bank online on a cellphone. Recently, I watched a street vendor in China who was selling pieces of watermelon and the payment went from the customer's cellphone to the vendor's cellphone. That is how much it has changed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320435\" data-originallang=\"en\">With my own experience of post offices, in the 1950s, they were a community centre. People gathered at post offices. It was the only place to get their mail. However, in my riding there is virtually no one doing that anymore. With 40 or 50 years of mailboxes in our neighbourhoods, very few people go to the post office. I am having a hard time remembering the last time I was in a post office. My children give me a hard time about even going to a bank. I show up in a bank once in a while. My children who own businesses and properties do a lot of financial work and never go near a bank. They all do it electronically. Whether approving finances or changing finances, they never go to a bank. Therefore, why would they go to a post office? In my riding, there is no one to run a post office. They are not there. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320436\" data-originallang=\"en\">We are not talking about setting up a shop with a vault in the back. Banking is not conducted like it was portrayed in <em>It's a Wonderful Life</em>. It is not that way anymore. It is a fast-paced, complex industry. It certainly is not some kind of silver bullet that will magically solve Canada Post. The government is no George Bailey, and it cannot set up a new building and loan on the main street anywhere. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320437\" data-originallang=\"en\">I know that Canada Post has some serious challenges at times. Currently, two-thirds of people do not receive mail at their door, and the challenge of delivery is interesting. My son, who needed a piece of equipment that is common in Canada, could not find one his community or in Canada. He received it from London in four days, with delivery, and it was not Canada Post. Young people know how to do it. They know where to get things in the world, and it is not through Canada Post.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320438\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I understand that Canada Post's traditional business model is suffering and Canada Post managers are looking for ways to innovate. I respect that. However, if there ever was a good time for Canada Post to create a full range of real retail banking, now is not the time. It does not make sense. If the need is not there, success is not going to follow. The banking sector is already providing Canadians with all the services they could ask for; there really is no need. If we want to preserve Canada Post, this is not the way to do it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320439\" data-originallang=\"en\">Canada Post has its challenges right now because it has not kept up with technological changes. Its operations are expensive. Let us not get it involved in more expensive operations in a very fast-paced, technologically advanced industry. If they think Canadians are losing faith in Canada Post now, they should wait until they are confronted by the inevitable cost overruns and instability of a different bank. Let us not squander Canada Post's remaining viability and the Canadian public's remaining goodwill on postal banking.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320425\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, appliquer une solution d\u00e9su\u00e8te \u00e0 un probl\u00e8me qui n'existe pas, voil\u00e0 \u00e0 quoi se r\u00e9sume cette motion. Je comprends les bonnes intentions qui ont pouss\u00e9 la d\u00e9put\u00e9e \u00e0 pr\u00e9senter la motion M-166, mais je ne peux simplement pas appuyer cette motion. Je m'explique. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320426\" data-originallang=\"en\">Postes Canada a offert des services bancaires de 1869 \u00e0 1968, soit pendant une centaine d'ann\u00e9es. C'est l'ancien premier ministre Pierre Trudeau qui avait mis fin au syst\u00e8me, lui qui, c'est bien connu, \u00e9tait un fervent adepte de la r\u00e9duction du r\u00f4le du gouvernement. Il n'est donc pas anodin que ce soit ce gouvernement qui ait mis fin au syst\u00e8me. Il faut se demander pourquoi, si un gouvernement tellement enclin \u00e0 \u00e9tendre les tentacules de l'\u00c9tat consid\u00e9rait ce syst\u00e8me comme \u00e9tant d\u00e9pass\u00e9 d\u00e8s les ann\u00e9es 1960, nous sommes encore \u00e0 en d\u00e9battre 50 ann\u00e9es plus tard. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320427\" data-originallang=\"en\">R\u00e9tablir les services bancaires postaux contreviendrait probablement \u00e0 la Loi sur les banques, \u00e0 la Loi sur les soci\u00e9t\u00e9s de fiducie et de pr\u00eat et \u00e0 la Loi sur la gestion des finances publiques. Les co\u00fbts de la r\u00e9glementation seraient astronomiques, et c'est l\u00e0 que le b\u00e2t blesse. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320428\" data-originallang=\"en\">Postes Canada est une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 d'\u00c9tat. Ce sont donc les contribuables qui devraient assumer les risques li\u00e9s au fonctionnement des services bancaires postaux propos\u00e9s. Les contribuables en ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 assez sur les \u00e9paules. Il ne faut pas leur demander de risquer l'argent qu'ils ont durement gagn\u00e9 pour financer une entreprise qui est d\u00e9pass\u00e9e depuis 1968. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320429\" data-originallang=\"en\">De plus, le Canada est d\u00e9j\u00e0 dot\u00e9 d'un r\u00e9seau d'institutions financi\u00e8res fort et stable. Notre syst\u00e8me bancaire, pilier absolument essentiel de l'\u00e9conomie nationale, est reconnu \u00e0 l'\u00e9chelle internationale comme l'un des meilleurs du monde. Contrairement \u00e0 celles d'ailleurs, les institutions financi\u00e8res canadiennes n'ont pas eu besoin d'\u00eatre renflou\u00e9es pendant la crise de 2008. Tout ce que nous avons \u00e0 faire, c'est continuer de laisser notre syst\u00e8me bancaire g\u00e9rer ses propres affaires avec succ\u00e8s. Si un nouveau joueur sur le march\u00e9 pouvait offrir des services avantageux aux consommateurs, ce serait formidable. Cependant, ce n'est pas aux contribuables d'assumer les risques encourus par ce nouvel intervenant. Nous ne devrions pas choisir des gagnants et des perdants dans le secteur public et le secteur priv\u00e9. Pourquoi devrions-nous prendre des risques avec l'argent des contribuables dans un secteur qui a d\u00e9j\u00e0 du succ\u00e8s? Pour cela, il y a d\u00e9j\u00e0 la banque de l'infrastructure du gouvernement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320430\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement lib\u00e9ral aime d\u00e9penser l'argent des contribuables dans tous les projets qu'il peut trouver. C'est pour cela que les petits d\u00e9ficits promis par les lib\u00e9raux pendant la derni\u00e8re campagne \u00e9lectorale se sont transform\u00e9s en d\u00e9penses colossales. Je prie la Chambre de ne pas donner au gouvernement d'autres id\u00e9es pour d\u00e9penser l'argent des contribuables.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320431\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il est compr\u00e9hensible que les Canadiens se montrent l\u00e9g\u00e8rement h\u00e9sitants \u00e0 participer \u00e0 un nouveau plan du gouvernement. C'est une \u00e9poque formidable pour les lobbyistes qui d\u00e9pendent de la g\u00e9n\u00e9rosit\u00e9 de l'\u00c9tat, mais c'est une autre histoire pour les petits entrepreneurs. Franchement, je crains que cette motion donne des id\u00e9es au gouvernement. Le Canada a besoin d'un \u00c9tat moins interventionniste, et non le contraire. Je sais que certains de mes coll\u00e8gues ne partagent pas mon opinion sur le r\u00f4le du gouvernement, mais ils peuvent certainement convenir que nous ne devrions pas intervenir lorsque ce n'est pas n\u00e9cessaire. C'est l'\u00e9vidence m\u00eame. Nous devrions rester \u00e0 l'\u00e9cart.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320432\" data-originallang=\"en\">La proposition est une solution \u00e0 la recherche d'un probl\u00e8me. Elle me fait penser \u00e0 une citation de Groucho Marx: \u00ab La politique, c'est l'art de chercher les probl\u00e8mes, de les trouver, de les sous-\u00e9valuer et ensuite d'appliquer de mani\u00e8re inad\u00e9quate les mauvais rem\u00e8des. \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320433\" data-originallang=\"en\">On a sugg\u00e9r\u00e9 qu'un syst\u00e8me de banque de Postes Canada est n\u00e9cessaire parce que les services financiers ne sont pas accessibles au Canada. Est-ce vraiment le cas? Selon la Banque mondiale, 99 % des Canadiens adultes ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 un compte dans une institution financi\u00e8re. En fait, les services bancaires sont plus diversifi\u00e9s que jamais. Les banques au Canada et partout dans le monde ont subi une v\u00e9ritable m\u00e9tamorphose au cours des derni\u00e8res d\u00e9cennies. Les services en ligne sont d\u00e9j\u00e0 en voie de devenir le mode privil\u00e9gi\u00e9. Les t\u00e9l\u00e9phones intelligents nous permettent d'effectuer des transactions bancaires. Les Canadiens adoptent de plus en plus les services bancaires en ligne: ils \u00e9taient 31 % \u00e0 les utiliser en 2017. Le secteur \u00e9volue si rapidement que beaucoup de jeunes Canadiens n'ont m\u00eame plus recours \u00e0 des cartes de cr\u00e9dit. Trois de mes petits-enfants font partie de ce groupe. Le march\u00e9 ne permet tout simplement pas l'introduction maladroite de Postes Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320434\" data-originallang=\"en\">En Chine, 980 millions de personnes font leurs op\u00e9rations bancaires en ligne \u00e0 l'aide de leur cellulaire. R\u00e9cemment, j'y ai \u00e9t\u00e9 t\u00e9moin d'une transaction entre un commer\u00e7ant de rue, qui vendait des morceaux de melon d'eau, et un acheteur: le paiement a \u00e9t\u00e9 effectu\u00e9 d'un cellulaire \u00e0 l'autre. C'est un exemple qui illustre \u00e0 quel point les choses ont chang\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320435\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je me souviens que, dans les ann\u00e9es 1950, les bureaux de poste \u00e9taient des lieux de rassemblement. Les gens se r\u00e9unissaient au bureau de poste local. C'\u00e9tait le seul endroit o\u00f9 ils pouvaient aller chercher leur courrier. Cependant, dans ma circonscription, cette coutume a pratiquement disparu. Depuis 40 ou 50 ans, des bo\u00eetes aux lettres sont install\u00e9es dans les quartiers, alors tr\u00e8s peu de gens vont au bureau de poste. J'ai peine \u00e0 me rappeler la derni\u00e8re fois o\u00f9 je suis entr\u00e9 dans un bureau de poste. Mes enfants trouvent \u00e9trange la simple id\u00e9e de me voir me rendre \u00e0 la banque. Il m'arrive de temps \u00e0 autre d'y aller. Mes enfants, qui poss\u00e8dent des entreprises et des propri\u00e9t\u00e9s, ont beaucoup recours aux services financiers, mais ne vont jamais \u00e0 la banque. Ils font tout \u00e9lectroniquement. Qu'il s'agisse d'autorisations ou de changements d'ordre financier, ils ne vont jamais \u00e0 la banque. Alors, pourquoi voudraient-ils aller au bureau de poste? Dans ma circonscription, il n'y a personne qui puisse diriger un bureau de poste. On n'en trouvera pas.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320436\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Il ne s'agit pas simplement d'ouvrir un magasin avec un coffre-fort \u00e0 l'arri\u00e8re-boutique. Les services bancaires ne sont plus fournis comme dans le temps de l'ancienne com\u00e9die hollywoodienne <em>La vie est belle</em>. Les temps ont beaucoup chang\u00e9 depuis. Les activit\u00e9s du secteur bancaire sont complexes et se d\u00e9roulent \u00e0 un rythme fulgurant. Investir ce secteur ne saurait \u00eatre la panac\u00e9e que l'on croit pour gu\u00e9rir Postes Canada de tous ses maux. Le gouvernement n'est pas le personnage de George Bailey et il ne peut pas tout simplement installer un comptoir de pr\u00eats dans un b\u00e2timent de la rue principale, quelque part.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320437\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je sais que Postes Canada fait quelquefois face \u00e0 de graves probl\u00e8mes. Les deux tiers des gens ne re\u00e7oivent pas de courrier \u00e0 domicile et la livraison peut donner lieu \u00e0 des situations int\u00e9ressantes. Mon fils, par exemple, avait besoin d\u2019une pi\u00e8ce d\u2019\u00e9quipement courante au Canada. Or, il n\u2019a pas pu la trouver, ni dans sa localit\u00e9 ni au Canada. Il l\u2019a re\u00e7ue en quatre jours en provenance de Londres et la livraison n\u2019\u00e9tait pas assur\u00e9e par Postes Canada. Les jeunes savent comment s\u2019y prendre, ils savent comment se faire livrer des objets et ce n\u2019est certainement pas par l\u2019interm\u00e9diaire de Postes Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320438\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je sais que le mod\u00e8le d\u2019affaires traditionnel de Postes Canada conna\u00eet des difficult\u00e9s et que la direction cherche des moyens d\u2019innover. Je respecte cette d\u00e9marche. Toutefois, s\u2019il y a jamais eu pour Postes Canada un bon moment pour offrir toute la gamme des services bancaires, ce n\u2019est certainement pas maintenant. Ce n\u2019est certainement pas le bon moment. On ne r\u00e9ussit pas en offrant un service dont les gens n'ont pas besoin. Le secteur bancaire offre d\u00e9j\u00e0 au public tous les services voulus et il n\u2019y a pas de besoin \u00e0 combler. Si nous voulons pr\u00e9server Postes Canada, ce n\u2019est pas par ce moyen qu\u2019on le fera.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5320439\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si Postes Canada conna\u00eet aujourd\u2019hui des difficult\u00e9s, c\u2019est parce qu\u2019il n\u2019a pas suivi les changements technologiques. Ses op\u00e9rations sont co\u00fbteuses. Ne les rendons pas encore plus co\u00fbteuses qu\u2019elles ne le sont dans un secteur qui est \u00e0 l\u2019avant-garde de la technologie et qui \u00e9volue tr\u00e8s rapidement. Si l\u2019on pense que le public a perdu confiance dans Postes Canada, attendons de voir la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 se d\u00e9battre avec les d\u00e9passements de co\u00fbts in\u00e9vitables et l\u2019instabilit\u00e9 que suscitera un mod\u00e8le bancaire diff\u00e9rent. Ne gaspillons pas ce qui reste de la viabilit\u00e9 de l\u2019entreprise et de la bonne volont\u00e9 du public \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard de services de banque postale.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320440\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I am rising on a point of order. There have been consultations, and I believe if you seek it you will find unanimous consent for the following motion:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320441\" data-originallang=\"en\"> That the membership of the Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs be amended as follows: Mr. Kennedy Stewart (Burnaby South) for Mr. David Christopherson (Hamilton Centre). </p>\n</blockquote>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5320440\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, j'invoque le R\u00e8glement. Il y a eu des consultations et je crois que vous constaterez qu'il y a consentement unanime \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard de la motion suivante:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5320441\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Que la liste des membres du Comit\u00e9 permanent de la proc\u00e9dure et des affaires de la Chambre soit modifi\u00e9e comme suit: M. Kennedy Stewart (Burnaby-Sud) en remplacement de M. David Christopherson (Hamilton-Centre). </p>\n</blockquote>"
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