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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
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"en": "The Chair (Mr. Daryl Kramp (Prince Edward\u2014Hastings, CPC))",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609706\" data-originallang=\"en\">Okay, colleagues, we'll call this meeting number 14 of the Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security together. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609707\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would like to have consent from the entire committee to call our witnesses to the table so that we're not going to be playing musical chairs. Are we all comfortable with that?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609706\" data-originallang=\"en\">Chers coll\u00e8gues, nous allons d\u00e9clarer ouverte la 14<sup>e</sup> s\u00e9ance du Comit\u00e9 permanent de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 publique et nationale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609707\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais obtenir le consentement de tous les membres du comit\u00e9 afin d'inviter nos t\u00e9moins \u00e0 s'asseoir \u00e0 la table pour \u00e9viter d'avoir \u00e0 jouer \u00e0 la chaise musicale. Est-ce que nous sommes tous d'accord?</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
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"en": "Some hon. members",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609708\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Agreed.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609708\" data-originallang=\"en\"> D'accord.</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609709\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Please, perhaps the witnesses would come forward and be available. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609710\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you very much. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609711\" data-originallang=\"en\">Just a little point of clarification, there was an expression of concern with regard to the validity of proceeding without having the translation. The chair was obviously uncomfortable, as well as some of the members, and we were advised by the clerk at that time of the ruling that we would be proceeding, so the clerk has provided a raison d'\u00eatre for that ruling. I'll just read it in here briefly so that the chair and future people can be also guided by that, because the chair was uncomfortable as many other people were, and hopefully we just won't have that again. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609712\" data-originallang=\"en\">It was from a study on <a data-HoCid=\"514757\" href=\"/bills/37-2/C-7/\" title=\"An Act respecting leadership selection, administration and accountability of Indian bands, and to make related amendments to other Acts\">Bill C-7</a> on June 3, 2003. It says:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609713\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I really do feel uncomfortable when hon. members do not have the transcripts. However, I am guided by the precedent of Mr. Speaker Macnaughton. I am guided by the fact that the rules are silent as to the form of printing. Therefore I must decline to accede to the suggestion of the right hon. member that transcripts of proceedings in committee must be available before the House can proceed with a bill. It is not uncommon for bills to be called before committee proceedings have been completely transcribed and are available in both official languages let alone one. Accordingly, while I have great sympathy, and I know there are dozens of members of the House who want to read these proceedings of this committee, I am afraid that I am not able to accede to his request. Accordingly, it would not be out of order for the House to proceed with the bill at this time, barring some other problems that may arise. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609714\" data-originallang=\"en\">I just felt that the committee deserved to have an understanding of the reasoning behind that, of course provided by our excellent staff, because the chair was as uncomfortable as some of the other members. On the point of consideration that was put forward, I thought you were owed that response. I just table that for you here. I guess we don't have to table it, but it is here for your consideration.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609715\" data-originallang=\"en\">We will now go right back to where we had left off on the clause-by-clause study.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609716\" data-originallang=\"en\">We had discussed clause 4, and we were at the point of calling a vote for clause 4. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609717\" data-originallang=\"en\">The chair will proceed. </p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609718\">(Clause 4 agreed to)</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609719\">(On clause 5)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609720\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The government has put in an amendment numbered 6437853.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609721\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yes, Ms. James.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609709\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Si les t\u00e9moins veulent bien s'avancer pour \u00eatre pr\u00eats \u00e0 intervenir, je les invite \u00e0 le faire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609710\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci beaucoup.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609711\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une petite pr\u00e9cision: certaines personnes craignaient que les d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations tenues avant que nous n'ayons acc\u00e8s \u00e0 la traduction ne soient pas jug\u00e9es valides. Le pr\u00e9sident \u00e9tait mal \u00e0 l'aise, \u00e9videmment, comme d'autres membres du comit\u00e9, et le greffier nous avait recommand\u00e9 de poursuivre nos d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations. Le greffier a donc justifi\u00e9 sa recommandation. Je vais lire bri\u00e8vement la justification pour qu'elle guide le pr\u00e9sident et toute autre personne \u00e0 l'avenir dans ce genre de situation, que le pr\u00e9sident et bien d'autres personnes trouvaient tr\u00e8s d\u00e9licate, et j'esp\u00e8re qu'elle ne se repr\u00e9sentera plus.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609712\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il s'agit d'une citation tir\u00e9e d'une \u00e9tude sur le <a data-HoCid=\"514757\" href=\"/bills/37-2/C-7/\" title=\"An Act respecting leadership selection, administration and accountability of Indian bands, and to make related amendments to other Acts\">projet de loi C-7</a>, qui date du 3 juin 2003:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609713\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Je ne suis pas du tout \u00e0 l'aise lorsque les d\u00e9put\u00e9s n'ont pas le texte. Je me base toutefois sur le pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent du Pr\u00e9sident Macnaughton. Je me base sur le fait que le R\u00e8glement ne fait pas allusion \u00e0 la forme de l'impression. Ainsi, je dois refuser d'acc\u00e9der \u00e0 la suggestion du tr\u00e8s honorable d\u00e9put\u00e9 voulant que les transcriptions des d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations au comit\u00e9 doivent \u00eatre disponibles avant que la Chambre puisse proc\u00e9der \u00e0 l'\u00e9tude du projet de loi. Il n'est pas rare que des projets de loi soient mis \u00e0 l'\u00e9tude avant que les d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations des comit\u00e9s aient \u00e9t\u00e9 transcrites compl\u00e8tement et soient disponibles dans les deux langues officielles. Ainsi, m\u00eame si je sympathise, et je sais que des dizaines de d\u00e9put\u00e9s \u00e0 la Chambre veulent lire les d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations de ce comit\u00e9, j'ai bien peur de ne pouvoir acc\u00e9der \u00e0 cette demande. En cons\u00e9quence, il ne serait pas contraire au R\u00e8glement pour la Chambre de passer \u00e0 l'\u00e9tude du projet de loi \u00e0 ce stade-ci, \u00e0 moins que d'autres probl\u00e8mes ne surgissent. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609714\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je jugeais que les membres du comit\u00e9 m\u00e9ritaient de comprendre les raisons de cette d\u00e9cision. Cette justification nous a \u00e9t\u00e9 fournie par notre excellent personnel, parce que le pr\u00e9sident \u00e9tait aussi mal \u00e0 l'aise que d'autres d\u00e9put\u00e9s. J'estimais vous devoir cette r\u00e9ponse, compte tenu des pr\u00e9occupations qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 exprim\u00e9es. Je veux simplement que cette citation soit consign\u00e9e au compte rendu. Je suppose que nous ne sommes pas oblig\u00e9s de la d\u00e9poser officiellement, mais elle est l\u00e0, si vous voulez la lire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609715\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous allons maintenant reprendre notre \u00e9tude article par article l\u00e0 o\u00f9 nous l'avions laiss\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609716\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons discut\u00e9 de l'article 4, et nous \u00e9tions rendus \u00e0 demander le vote sur l'article 4.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609717\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le pr\u00e9sident va proc\u00e9der.</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609718\">(L'article 4 est adopt\u00e9.)</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609719\">(Article 5)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609720\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Le parti minist\u00e9riel a d\u00e9pos\u00e9 un amendement portant le num\u00e9ro 6437853.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609721\" data-originallang=\"en\">Oui, madame James.</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Roxanne James (Scarborough Centre, CPC)",
"fr": "Mme Roxanne James (Scarborough-Centre, PCC)"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609722\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Chair. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609723\" data-originallang=\"en\">Again, I won't read the entire amendment because we have all of it in front of us, but it moves to amend clause 5, after line 19, on page 4, by adding three points.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609724\" data-originallang=\"en\">On those three particular points, I don't know if you've had a chance to read them. I hope everyone on the committee has. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609725\" data-originallang=\"en\">Those three additions that we're making will basically allow the board to remove from the transcripts any discussions that would have occurred in a hearing where observers where asked to leave; where there is any personal information about a person other than the offender, the victim, or a member of the victim's family. Additionally, it clarifies that the information contained in hearing transcripts is not publicly available information, which could otherwise be obtained by any member of the public through the Access to Information Act or Privacy Act requests. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609726\" data-originallang=\"en\">That is the purpose of the government amendment, to add those three points into this particular clause. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609722\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609723\" data-originallang=\"en\">Encore une fois, je ne lirai pas tout le texte de l'amendement, parce que nous l'avons tous sous les yeux, mais on y propose de modifier l'article 5 par adjonction, apr\u00e8s la ligne 20, page 4, de trois points.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609724\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne sais pas si vous avez eu la chance de lire ces trois dispositions. J'esp\u00e8re que tous les membres du comit\u00e9 ont eu le temps de le faire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609725\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les trois ajouts que nous proposons vont surtout permettre \u00e0 la commission de retrancher de la transcription les passages portant sur des discussions qui auraient eu lieu apr\u00e8s que les observateurs aient re\u00e7u la demande de partir; de m\u00eame que tout renseignement personnel concernant un individu autre que le d\u00e9linquant, la victime ou un membre de sa famille. Cet amendement pr\u00e9cise \u00e9galement que l'information qui figure dans la transcription n'est pas accessible au public, faute de quoi n'importe qui aurait pu demander de l'obtenir par application de la Loi sur la protection des renseignements personnels et de la Loi sur l'acc\u00e8s \u00e0 l'information.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609726\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le but de cet amendement du gouvernement est donc d'ajouter ces trois \u00e9l\u00e9ments \u00e0 l'article.</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
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"en": "The Chair",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609727\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609728\" data-originallang=\"en\">Is there any further discussion on that?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609729\" data-originallang=\"en\">Okay, we will certainly wait, Mr. Easter.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609727\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609728\" data-originallang=\"en\">Est-ce que vous voulez en discuter davantage?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609729\" data-originallang=\"en\">D'accord. Nous allons attendre un peu, monsieur Easter.</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Wayne Easter (Malpeque, Lib.)",
"fr": "L'hon. Wayne Easter (Malpeque, Lib.)"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609730\" data-originallang=\"en\">On the Access to Information Act and Privacy Act, what's the concern there?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609730\" data-originallang=\"en\">Qu'avez-vous dit au sujet de la Loi sur la protection des renseignements personnels et de la Loi sur l'acc\u00e8s \u00e0 l'information?</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "The Chair",
"fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609731\" data-originallang=\"en\">Go ahead, Ms. James.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609731\" data-originallang=\"en\">Allez-y, madame James.</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Roxanne James",
"fr": "Mme Roxanne James"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609732\" data-originallang=\"en\">As the amendment reads under point 3:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609733\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Information discussed or referred to in the transcript of the hearing are not publicly available for the purposes of the Access to Information Act or the Privacy Act. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609734\" data-originallang=\"en\">This particular piece of the private member's bill was not included. The government felt that it was necessary to ensure that information is not accessible. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609735\" data-originallang=\"en\">I don't know if you require any further\u2014</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609732\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le libell\u00e9 du paragraphe 3 de l'amendement est le suivant:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609733\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Les renseignements qui sont vis\u00e9s ou mentionn\u00e9s dans la transcription ne sont pas accessibles au public pour l'application de la Loi sur la protection des renseignements personnels et de la Loi sur l'acc\u00e8s \u00e0 l'information. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609734\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cette disposition ne faisait pas partie de la version originale du projet de loi du d\u00e9put\u00e9. Le parti minist\u00e9riel estimait n\u00e9cessaire de faire en sorte que ces renseignements ne soient pas accessibles.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609735\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne sais pas si vous avez besoin d'autres...</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Wayne Easter",
"fr": "L'hon. Wayne Easter"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609736\" data-originallang=\"en\">Okay, I catch it now. Great.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609736\" data-originallang=\"en\">D'accord, je comprends. \u00c7a va.</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "The Chair",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609737\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you very much. </p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609738\">(Amendment agreed to [See <em>Minutes of Proceedings</em>])</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609739\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Shall clause 5 then carry?</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609740\">(Clause 5 as amended agreed to)</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609741\">(On clause 6)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609742\" data-originallang=\"en\"> We'll now move to clause 6. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609743\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have a government amendment, reference number 6437854. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609744\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ms. James.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609737\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci beaucoup.</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609738\">(L'amendement est adopt\u00e9. [Voir le <em>Proc\u00e8s-verbal</em>])</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609739\" data-originallang=\"en\"> L'article 5 est-il adopt\u00e9, alors?</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609740\">(L'article 5 modifi\u00e9 est adopt\u00e9.)</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"3609741\">(Article 6)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609742\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Prenons maintenant l'article 6.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609743\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons un amendement du gouvernement, qui porte le num\u00e9ro de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence 6437854.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609744\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame James.</p>"
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"time": "2014-03-04 15:35:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Roxanne James",
"fr": "Mme Roxanne James"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609745\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you again, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609746\" data-originallang=\"en\">Again, I will not read the entire change to this, but this particular amendment amends clause 6 by replacing lines 20 on page 4 all the way to line 1 on page 5 with one line, which is before you, which is basically \u201cParagraph 142(1)(b) of the Act is\u201d. So the entire section from line 20 all the way to line 1 on the next page has been removed. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609747\" data-originallang=\"en\">The second part of that is to replace line 10 on page 5 with the following text, which you all probably have realized includes much of what was removed from the previous paragraph, with one particular addition that I'd like to just read out. That is (c), which says:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609748\" data-originallang=\"en\"> shall disclose to the victim any of the following information about the offender, if, in the Chairperson\u2019s opinion, the disclosure would not have a negative impact on the safety of the public: </p>\n</blockquote>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609745\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci encore, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609746\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne lirai pas tout le texte de cet amendement non plus, mais il vise \u00e0 modifier l'article 6 par substitution, au passage commen\u00e7ant \u00e0 la ligne 21, page 4, et se terminant \u00e0 la ligne 1, page 5, de la ligne qui suit et qui dit, en gros: \u00ab L'alin\u00e9a 142(1)<em>b</em>) de la m\u00eame loi est \u00bb. On enl\u00e8ve donc tout le texte qui commen\u00e7ait \u00e0 la ligne 21, page 4, et se terminait \u00e0 la ligne 1 de la page suivante.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609747\" data-originallang=\"en\">La deuxi\u00e8me partie propose une modification par substitution, \u00e0 la ligne 8, page 5, du texte qui suit, qui comprend pas mal tout ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 supprim\u00e9 \u00e0 l'alin\u00e9a pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent, comme vous vous en \u00eates probablement tous rendu compte, plus un ajout que j'aimerais vous lire. C'est l'alin\u00e9a <em>c</em>):</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3609748\" data-originallang=\"en\"> lui communique tout ou partie des renseignements ci-apr\u00e8s si, \u00e0 son avis, cette communication n'aurait pas d'incidence n\u00e9gative sur la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 publique: </p>\n</blockquote>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609749\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you very much.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609750\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'll give you a couple of minutes to digest that, if you wish.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609749\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci beaucoup.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609750\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais vous laisser quelques minutes pour dig\u00e9rer tout cela, si vous le voulez.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609751\" data-originallang=\"en\">So, Mr. Chair\u2014</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609751\" data-originallang=\"en\">Donc, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident...</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609752\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yes, Mr. Easter. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609752\" data-originallang=\"en\">Oui, monsieur Easter.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609753\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u2014is there reason to read into this that it is really the chairperson who will make the decision? </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609754\" data-originallang=\"en\">The intent of this bill in the beginning was to provide more information to the victims on a number of things. But what I'm finding with all the amendments, mainly from the government, is that it's more a \u201cmay\u201d situation than a \u201cshall\u201d, if I could put it like that. I know that my own amendment on that lost, but it comes down to whether or not information will be made to the victims. It basically comes down to regardless what the legislation says, it's the chairman's opinion. Is that correct?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609753\" data-originallang=\"en\">... mon interpr\u00e9tation serait-elle juste si je disais qu'il appartiendra donc \u00e0 la pr\u00e9sidence de prendre la d\u00e9cision?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609754\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au d\u00e9part, l'intention de ce projet de loi \u00e9tait de communiquer plus d'information aux victimes sur diverses choses. J'ai cependant l'impression que tous ces amendements, qui nous viennent surtout du gouvernement, feront en sorte qu'on \u00ab pourra \u00bb leur communiquer plus d'information, mais que ce ne sera pas une obligation, si l'on veut. Je sais que mon propre amendement en ce sens a \u00e9t\u00e9 rejet\u00e9, mais je me demande si oui ou non, les victimes vont avoir acc\u00e8s \u00e0 l'information. Bref, il semble ici que peu importe ce que dicte la loi, tout d\u00e9pendra de l'opinion du pr\u00e9sident, n'est-ce pas?</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609755\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame Dor\u00e9 Lefebvre, and then Mrs. James. </p>",
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"en": "Ms. Rosane Dor\u00e9 Lefebvre (Alfred-Pellan, NDP)",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609756\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you very much, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609757\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would really like to understand. I don't know if this government amendment was poorly translated, but the information is not the same in English and in French, especially after \u201c(b) replacing line 10 on page 5 with the following:\u201d. I am referring to subclause (2). I don't see the same information. In French, paragraph (<em>c</em>) says \u201clui communique tout ou partie des renseignements\u201d, but, unlike the English text, it does not say who is supposed to receive the information.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609758\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Do I have to rely on the amendment as written in English instead of the French translation?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609756\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci beaucoup, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609757\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'aimerais bien comprendre. Je ne sais pas s'il y a eu un probl\u00e8me dans la traduction de cet amendement propos\u00e9 par le gouvernement, mais je ne trouve pas exactement les m\u00eames informations en anglais et en fran\u00e7ais, surtout dans le texte venant apr\u00e8s \u00ab b) par substitution, \u00e0 la ligne 8, page 5, de ce qui suit : \u00bb, c'est-\u00e0-dire au paragraphe (2). Je ne trouve pas la m\u00eame information. \u00c0 l'alin\u00e9a <em>c</em>), il est \u00e9crit \u00ab lui communique tout ou partie des renseignements \u00bb, mais on ne pr\u00e9cise pas, contrairement au texte anglais, \u00e0 qui on communique les renseignements.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3609758\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Est-ce que je dois me fier \u00e0 l'amendement tel qu'il a \u00e9t\u00e9 pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 en anglais plut\u00f4t qu'\u00e0 sa traduction en fran\u00e7ais?</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609759\" data-originallang=\"en\">At this point, then, I'll ask our clerk or analyst to give us an understanding of the difference between the French and English. Obviously I don't have the capacity as a chair to be able to translate effectively. I ask for comment. </p>",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609761\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you for the clarification.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3609761\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je vous remercie de la clarification.</p>"
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