Speeches

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        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:00:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "The Chair",
                "fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299722\" data-originallang=\"en\">We're in public now. We can bring the people back in, if we want.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299723\" data-originallang=\"en\">We are starting a new episode today, a piece of legislation that was referred to us from the House, moved by none other than our own committee member Richard Cannings, who is here today as our first witness. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299724\" data-originallang=\"en\">I won't bother explaining to you how our committee works or what the procedure is, because you know it as well as or better than we do. However, I should tell you that there are some pretty tough characters around this table, so you should be prepared for some tough questions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299725\" data-originallang=\"en\">On that note, Mr. Cannings, I will give you the floor for your presentation, and then we'll open the floor to questions.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299722\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous passons maintenant en s\u00e9ance publique. Nous pouvons demander aux gens de revenir, si nous le d\u00e9sirons.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299723\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous entreprenons aujourd'hui l'\u00e9tude d'un nouveau projet de loi qui nous a \u00e9t\u00e9 renvoy\u00e9 par la Chambre. Il est parrain\u00e9 par nul autre que Richard Cannings, un membre de notre comit\u00e9 qui est des n\u00f4tres ce matin \u00e0 titre de premier t\u00e9moin.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299724\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne prendrai pas la peine de vous expliquer le mode de fonctionnement des comit\u00e9s; vous le connaissez tout aussi bien ou peut-\u00eatre encore mieux que nous. Je dois toutefois vous dire qu'il y a des individus pas trop commodes autour de cette table et que vous devez vous attendre \u00e0 des questions plut\u00f4t difficiles. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299725\" data-originallang=\"en\">Sur cette note, je vous c\u00e8de la parole pour votre expos\u00e9, apr\u00e8s quoi nous passerons aux questions de vos coll\u00e8gues.</p>"
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            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
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        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:00:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299726\" data-originallang=\"en\">Well, thank you, Mr. Chair. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299727\" data-originallang=\"en\">Good morning, everyone. It's quite an honour, of course, to be here testifying before my own committee. I didn't sleep last night because I was pretty keyed up about this.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299728\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'm here obviously to talk about my private member's bill, Bill <a data-HoCid=\"8867011\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-354/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Department of Public Works and Government Services Act (use of wood)\">C-354</a>. It's such a short bill that I'm just going to read the one clause that is really all there is to the bill. It just amends the Department of Public Works and Government Services Act, I believe. I didn't put that in there. Under Use of Wood, proposed new subsection 7(1.1) would read:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299729\" data-originallang=\"en\"> In awarding contracts for the construction, maintenance or repair of public works, federal real property or federal immovables, the Minister shall give preference to projects that promote the use of wood, taking into account the associated costs and reductions in greenhouse gas emissions. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299730\" data-originallang=\"en\">That's basically it. It does state a clear preference for using wood, but that decision would be predicated on two tests, one that looks at the overall cost to the project and the materials used, and the other looking at the carbon footprint of the project.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299731\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'm just going to open with a short piece on why I chose this bill and why I decided to move ahead with it. This bill brings together several themes that are important to me and, I think, to many Canadians. One is the support for the forest sector in Canada. This is one of the big natural resource sectors across our country, which built our country. It's important in almost every province. I don't need to go into much detail on why the forest sector needs our support. It's had several challenges in recent years, but suffice it to say that if we can develop new markets for our forest sector, both domestically and internationally, I think we can maintain and grow our forest industries, creating jobs and wealth across the country.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299732\" data-originallang=\"en\">Second, it speaks specifically to the important role that buildings play in our carbon footprint as a country, as a society, and therefore, the important role they must play in our efforts to significantly reduce that footprint.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299733\" data-originallang=\"en\">Third, although it's not specifically mentioned in the bill\u2014but you all know it around this table\u2014it's meant to promote engineered wood or mass timber construction. This innovative technology is taking hold in North America with the leading manufacturers being in Canada, both in British Columbia and Quebec. These companies, and others like them, would greatly benefit from government procurement that allowed them to grow and maintain this leading position in the continental market.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299734\" data-originallang=\"en\">Now, there are other models of this bill out there. This is not a new idea. For one thing, there have been several bills like this that have been tabled in the House of Commons before, in past Parliaments. There are several pieces of legislation in provinces, notably in British Columbia and Quebec, and other countries, especially Europe. I would like to touch on some of these.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299735\" data-originallang=\"en\">The first is the B.C. Wood First Act. This is an act that was brought in, in British Columbia, in 2009. Again, it's a fairly short and succinct piece of legislation, and the one paragraph that is really sort of half of that bill says:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299736\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The purpose of this Act is to facilitate a culture of wood by requiring the use of wood as the primary building material in all new provincially funded buildings, in a manner consistent with the building regulations within the meaning of the Building Act. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299737\" data-originallang=\"en\">It simply says that there should be a preference for using wood in provincially funded infrastructure. The Wood First Act has been successful in creating that culture of building with wood in British Columbia.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299738\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Michael Green, who appeared before us in our study on the value added aspects of the forest industry, is an architect, and he said that the Wood First Act has \u201cmade a big difference simply because it introduces the concept into the conversation\u201d.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299739\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Bill Downing of Structurlam, one of the two main companies building mass timber products in Canada, said that the bill was a wake-up call that prompted B.C. architects, engineers, and contractors to consider wood in their projects and that it would be very helpful if the federal government did the same on a national scale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299740\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Quebec also has a policy promoting the use of wood in government infrastructure called the \"wood charter\" and it states that:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299741\" data-originallang=\"en\"> in every project financed wholly or partly by public funds, the project manager must consider the possibility of using wood before the project begins, and must carry out a comparative analysis of greenhouse gas emissions for different materials. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299742\" data-originallang=\"en\">It goes on to say:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299743\" data-originallang=\"en\"> A greenhouse gas emission measurement tool, which uses the tried-and-tested life cycle analysis method, is available to all professionals who wish to compare wood with other construction materials. The tool is reliable, effective and easy to use, and produces objective, standardized results that are easy to compare. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299744\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Other countries have similar policies. France offers incentives for meeting embodied carbon and net zero energy targets and has a plan to move from 5% wood buildings to 30% over the next 30 years. Other European countries, including Germany, the Netherlands, Sweden, Switzerland and the U.K., require or promote full life-cycle analysis and embodied carbon reporting for many or all large building projects. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299745\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'm just going to go on with a few of the concerns I've heard about this bill in debate in the House. I think there are really three main areas. One is about fire safety. I just have to say that these mass timber buildings are very different from the wood stick construction, the two-by-four wood frame buildings. Numerous tests have shown them to be as safe as, or safer than, standard steel and concrete construction.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299746\" data-originallang=\"en\">The NRC performed tests on walls and floors that were built by Nordic Structures, which is the main company in Quebec that produces these products, before they constructed a 13-storey building called Origine in Quebec. The walls and floors resisted fire for the three and a half hours of the test at 1,200 degrees Celsius, far longer than the standard two hours that is required for that test. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299747\" data-originallang=\"en\">Another test used a mock-up of rooms with stair and elevator shafts, and in spite of a full-scale blaze in the room, there was no detectable increase in temperature or smoke in the vertical shaft. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299748\" data-originallang=\"en\">In British Columbia, where several buildings have been constructed using this method, fire chiefs are generally comfortable with mass timber construction and I hope we can get one of them here before us to talk about that. In fact, one of the newly built wood buildings in the province is the Qualicum Beach fire hall. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299749\" data-originallang=\"en\">Another theme in the concerns I've heard is about trade and exposure to trade concerns, free trade agreements where there might be some issues about restricting what we build our buildings with. I assume we would have heard about these trade concerns if there were any legitimate ones. We've had a B.C. Wood First Act for nine years. No one who I know of has come forward with issues about that, and the same with the Quebec policies. I think in this litigious atmosphere we live in, in terms of other countries going to the WTO or NAFTA, we would have heard about concerns on those policies.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299750\" data-originallang=\"en\">This bill specifically does not use the word...it's a \"use wood\" bill, it's not a \"use Canadian wood\" bill. I think that protects it as well. If we said, you must use Canadian wood to build buildings, then I think we might hear some complaints. It might have some serious trade implications.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299751\" data-originallang=\"en\">I also think that the dual test of the cost and the carbon footprint of the project will allay other trade agreement concerns, but we'll hear from department witnesses on that. I've heard from British Columbia that they feel their act stands that test because they don't say \u201cuse B.C. wood\u201d. I've heard from the Forest Products Association of Canada that it's that dual test that is also useful in protecting trade concerns.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299752\" data-originallang=\"en\">The other concern I've heard is that this bill picks winners and losers. It says that we should prefer to use wood and not other products like concrete or steel. Of course, those industries will likely express some concerns about that. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299753\" data-originallang=\"en\">To that I would say, first, building large buildings with wood is a very new thing. Only about 5% of our buildings use wood as a structural component, so even if we doubled or tripled that market share, it wouldn't affect the cement and steel industries significantly. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299754\" data-originallang=\"en\">Second, in talking to the cement industry, they came to my offices and perhaps to yours as well with a specific ask of the government. Their ask was that they wanted projects to be looked at with the dual lens of carbon footprint and overall lifetime cost. That's exactly what this bill asks. Cement feels that they would do well in that test, and that would be great. If they use those lifetime cost analyses and come out ahead, then I think that's great because it will have achieved what I think is really important in our building, and that is to reduce our greenhouse gases, our carbon footprint. I would be happy, and they would be happy. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299755\" data-originallang=\"en\">Third, most of the buildings using this mass timber construction are hybrid buildings of some sort. The first floor is often fully concrete. They use steel in the elevator shafts. A lot of them use cement in flooring for sound issues and heating. These buildings will use a lot of those other materials as well, so all sectors would benefit from this new construction. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299756\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'll just close by saying that this bill is about giving wood a chance. We are facing a dramatic change in how we construct buildings, and Canadian companies are on the forefront of that change now in North America. Europe is way ahead of us. Government procurement would allow that sector to grow and maintain the leadership position. We need to actively promote the use of wood in new buildings during this shift, so that we don't lose out to American and European products and technologies.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299757\" data-originallang=\"en\">This bill is about nurturing that culture of using and building with wood; creating beautiful, safe buildings with a low carbon footprint; and supporting the Canadian forest industry from coast to coast. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299758\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299726\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299727\" data-originallang=\"en\">Bonjour \u00e0 tous. C'est bien s\u00fbr tout un honneur pour moi de t\u00e9moigner devant mon propre comit\u00e9. Je n'ai pas dormi de la nuit tellement j'\u00e9tais surexcit\u00e9. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299728\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis donc ici pour vous parler de mon projet de loi d'initiative parlementaire, le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"8867011\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-354/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Department of Public Works and Government Services Act (use of wood)\">C-354</a>. C'est un projet de loi qui est tr\u00e8s court; je vais m\u00eame vous lire la seule disposition qu'il renferme. Il vise \u00e0 modifier la Loi sur le minist\u00e8re des Travaux publics et des Services gouvernementaux. Sous la rubrique Utilisation du bois, le nouveau paragraphe 7(1.1) propos\u00e9 pr\u00e9voirait ce qui suit:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299729\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Dans l'attribution de march\u00e9s visant la construction, l'entretien ou la r\u00e9paration d'ouvrages publics, de biens r\u00e9els f\u00e9d\u00e9raux ou d'immeubles f\u00e9d\u00e9raux, le ministre donne la pr\u00e9f\u00e9rence aux projets favorisant l'utilisation du bois, en tenant compte des co\u00fbts y aff\u00e9rents et de la r\u00e9duction des \u00e9missions de gaz \u00e0 effet de serre. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299730\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voil\u00e0 pour la teneur de mon projet de loi. Il marque une nette pr\u00e9f\u00e9rence pour l'utilisation du bois, mais toute d\u00e9cision en ce sens serait assujettie \u00e0 deux crit\u00e8res, soit le co\u00fbt total du projet et des mat\u00e9riaux utilis\u00e9s, d'une part, et l'empreinte carbone du projet, d'autre part. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299731\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais d'abord vous expliquer bri\u00e8vement les raisons pour lesquelles j'ai d\u00e9cid\u00e9 d'aller de l'avant avec cette initiative. Ce projet de loi r\u00e9unit plusieurs th\u00e8mes qui me tiennent \u00e0 coeur, et je crois qu'il en va de m\u00eame pour de nombreux Canadiens. Il y a d'abord le soutien au secteur forestier canadien, l'un de ceux qui contribuent le plus \u00e0 fa\u00e7onner notre pays via l'exploitation des ressources naturelles. Il occupe une grande place dans presque toutes les provinces. Il n'est pas vraiment n\u00e9cessaire que je vous en dise plus long sur les raisons pour lesquelles ce secteur a besoin de notre appui. Il a connu bien des difficult\u00e9s au cours des derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es. Disons simplement que si nous parvenons \u00e0 d\u00e9velopper de nouveaux march\u00e9s, tant au Canada qu'\u00e0 l'\u00e9tranger, pour notre industrie foresti\u00e8re, je crois que nous pourrons assurer le maintien et la croissance de nos entreprises de ce secteur tout en cr\u00e9ant de l'emploi et de la richesse dans l'ensemble du pays.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299732\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais ensuite vous parler de la mesure consid\u00e9rable dans laquelle les immeubles contribuent \u00e0 l'empreinte carbone de notre pays et de notre soci\u00e9t\u00e9, et, par voie de cons\u00e9quence, du r\u00f4le important qu'ils doivent jouer dans nos efforts pour r\u00e9duire consid\u00e9rablement cette empreinte.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299733\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a un autre objectif qui n'est pas mentionn\u00e9 express\u00e9ment dans le projet de loi \u2014 mais dont vous \u00eates tous au fait. Il s'agit de faire la promotion de la construction en bois d'ing\u00e9nierie ou en bois massif. Cette technologie novatrice prend de l'expansion en Am\u00e9rique du Nord. Les principaux manufacturiers sont install\u00e9s au Canada, soit en Colombie-Britannique et au Qu\u00e9bec. Ces entreprises, et d'autres semblables, b\u00e9n\u00e9ficieraient grandement de l'acc\u00e8s aux march\u00e9s gouvernementaux, car elles pourraient ainsi poursuivre leur croissance et conserver leur position de force sur le march\u00e9 continental.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299734\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce projet de loi n'est pas le premier du genre. L'id\u00e9e n'est pas nouvelle. Il y a notamment plusieurs projets de loi semblables qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9pos\u00e9s \u00e0 la Chambre des communes lors de l\u00e9gislatures pr\u00e9c\u00e9dentes. Il y a aussi diff\u00e9rentes lois adopt\u00e9es par les provinces, notamment la Colombie-Britannique et le Qu\u00e9bec, et par d'autres pays, surtout en Europe. J'aimerais vous dire un mot de quelques-unes de ces lois.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299735\" data-originallang=\"en\">Parlons d'abord de la Wood First Act qui \u00e9t\u00e9 adopt\u00e9e en Colombie-Britannique en 2009. C'\u00e9tait \u00e9galement une loi plut\u00f4t courte et directe que r\u00e9sume bien le paragraphe suivant:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299736\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Cette loi vise \u00e0 faciliter l'\u00e9mergence d'une culture du bois en exigeant qu'il devienne le principal mat\u00e9riau utilis\u00e9 pour la construction de tous les nouveaux b\u00e2timents financ\u00e9s par la province, pour autant que l'on respecte la r\u00e9glementation \u00e9tablie en application de la Loi sur le b\u00e2timent. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299737\" data-originallang=\"en\">On indique simplement que le bois devrait avoir la pr\u00e9f\u00e9rence dans toutes les infrastructures financ\u00e9es par le provincial. Cette loi est effectivement parvenue \u00e0 cr\u00e9er une culture de la construction en bois en Colombie-Britannique. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299738\" data-originallang=\"en\">Michael Green, qui a comparu devant nous \u00e0 l'occasion de notre \u00e9tude sur la valeur ajout\u00e9e dans l'industrie foresti\u00e8re, a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que la loi privil\u00e9giant le bois a \u00ab fait une grande diff\u00e9rence simplement parce qu'on a introduit la notion dans les discussions \u00bb.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299739\" data-originallang=\"en\">Bill Downing, le pr\u00e9sident de Structurlam, l'une des deux principales entreprises \u00e0 fabriquer des produits en bois massif au Canada, a dit que la loi a \u00e9t\u00e9 une prise de conscience pour les architectes, les ing\u00e9nieurs et les entrepreneurs g\u00e9n\u00e9raux de la province qui avaient d\u00e9sormais int\u00e9r\u00eat \u00e0 envisager le bois dans leurs projets en ajoutant qu'il serait bon que le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral en fasse autant \u00e0 l'\u00e9chelle nationale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299740\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le Qu\u00e9bec a sa propre politique privil\u00e9giant l'usage du bois dans les infrastructures gouvernementales, la \u00ab Charte du bois \u00bb, qui pr\u00e9voit notamment que: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299741\" data-originallang=\"en\"> pour tous les projets financ\u00e9s en tout ou en partie par des fonds publics, le gestionnaire de projet responsable doit \u00e9valuer l'utilisation du bois \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape d'avant-projet et effectuer une analyse comparative des \u00e9missions de gaz \u00e0 effet de serre pour les diff\u00e9rents mat\u00e9riaux. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299742\" data-originallang=\"en\">On ajoute:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299743\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Pour comparer le bois avec les autres mat\u00e9riaux de construction, un outil de quantification des \u00e9missions de gaz \u00e0 effet de serre est [...] disponible [...] pour l'ensemble des professionnels afin d'obtenir des r\u00e9sultats uniformes et comparables. Il s'agit d'un calculateur de carbone [...] qui sera facile d'utilisation, fiable et performant et qui se basera sur l'analyse du cycle de vie, une m\u00e9thode objective et \u00e9prouv\u00e9e. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"5299744\" data-originallang=\"en\">D'autres pays ont des politiques similaires. La France offre des incitatifs pour l'atteinte d'objectifs en mati\u00e8re de carbone intrins\u00e8que et de bilan \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique nul. Elle souhaite faire passer de 5 % \u00e0 30 % la proportion de b\u00e2timents en bois au cours des 30 prochaines ann\u00e9es. D'autres pays europ\u00e9ens, dont l'Allemagne, les Pays-Bas, la Su\u00e8de, la Suisse et le Royaume-Uni, exigent ou privil\u00e9gient l'analyse compl\u00e8te du cycle de vie et la production de rapports sur le carbone intrins\u00e8que pour la majorit\u00e9 ou la totalit\u00e9 des grands projets de construction.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299745\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais maintenant traiter de quelques-unes des r\u00e9serves qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 exprim\u00e9es au sujet de ce projet de loi lors du d\u00e9bat \u00e0 la Chambre. Il y a trois principaux secteurs de pr\u00e9occupation. L'un d'eux est la s\u00e9curit\u00e9-incendie. Je dois souligner que ces constructions en bois massif sont bien diff\u00e9rentes de celles dont la structure est constitu\u00e9e de simples deux par quatre. De nombreux tests ont d\u00e9montr\u00e9 qu'elles \u00e9taient tout aussi s\u00e9curitaires, voire davantage, que les constructions traditionnelles en acier et en b\u00e9ton.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299746\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le Conseil national de recherche a effectu\u00e9 des tests sur les murs et les planchers construits par Nordic Structures, la principale entreprise qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise se consacrant \u00e0 ces produits, avant qu'elle n'entreprenne la construction d'Origine, un b\u00e2timent de 13 \u00e9tages \u00e9rig\u00e9 \u00e0 Qu\u00e9bec. Lors d'un test effectu\u00e9 \u00e0 1 200 degr\u00e9s Celsius, les murs et les planchers ont r\u00e9sist\u00e9 au feu pendant trois heures et demie, soit beaucoup plus que la norme requise de deux heures.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299747\" data-originallang=\"en\">Lors d'un autre test r\u00e9alis\u00e9 \u00e0 l'aide d'une maquette, on n'a not\u00e9 aucune \u00e9manation de fum\u00e9e ou hausse d\u00e9tectable de la temp\u00e9rature dans une cage d'escalier et d'ascenseur adjacente \u00e0 un appartement o\u00f9 un incendie de haute intensit\u00e9 faisait rage.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299748\" data-originallang=\"en\">En Colombie-Britannique, o\u00f9 plusieurs b\u00e2timents ont \u00e9t\u00e9 construits suivant cette m\u00e9thode, les chefs des services d'incendie ne voient g\u00e9n\u00e9ralement aucun probl\u00e8me \u00e0 la construction en bois massif. J'esp\u00e8re d'ailleurs que nous pourrons inviter l'un d'eux \u00e0 venir t\u00e9moigner devant nous. Je note au passage que l'un des plus r\u00e9cents b\u00e2timents construits en bois dans la province est le poste de pompiers de Qualicum Beach.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299749\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai aussi entendu des r\u00e9serves quant aux risques que les restrictions relatives aux mat\u00e9riaux de construction utilis\u00e9s aient des r\u00e9percussions sur nos relations commerciales, notamment dans le cadre des accords de libre-\u00e9change. Je pr\u00e9sume que si ces inqui\u00e9tudes \u00e9taient fond\u00e9es, nous aurions d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9t\u00e9 t\u00e9moins de telles r\u00e9percussions. La Wood First Act est en vigueur en Colombie-Britannique depuis neuf ans. \u00c0 ma connaissance, personne n'a encore soulev\u00e9 de pr\u00e9occupations semblables, et il en va de m\u00eame des politiques mises en oeuvre au Qu\u00e9bec. Dans une conjoncture o\u00f9 les autres pays n'h\u00e9sitent pas \u00e0 s'adresser \u00e0 l'Organisation mondiale du commerce ou \u00e0 invoquer les dispositions de l'ALENA, nous aurions certes eu vent des inqui\u00e9tudes que peuvent causer les politiques \u00e0 cet effet.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299750\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce projet de loi ne fait pas express\u00e9ment mention du bois canadien; il pr\u00e9conise l'utilisation du bois d'une mani\u00e8re g\u00e9n\u00e9rale. Selon moi, nous sommes ainsi prot\u00e9g\u00e9s. Si nous avions dit que le bois canadien devait \u00eatre utilis\u00e9 pour construire les b\u00e2timents, nous aurions certes suscit\u00e9 certaines plaintes. Il y aurait alors pu avoir des r\u00e9percussions graves sur nos \u00e9changes commerciaux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299751\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je crois \u00e9galement que l'utilisation combin\u00e9e de deux crit\u00e8res, \u00e0 savoir le co\u00fbt global du projet et son empreinte carbone, permettra d'apaiser les autres pr\u00e9occupations relatives \u00e0 nos ententes commerciales. Nous verrons toutefois ce qu'en diront les repr\u00e9sentants minist\u00e9riels. Les gens de la Colombie-Britannique ont fait valoir que leur loi n'\u00e9tait pas probl\u00e9matique \u00e0 ce titre parce qu'elle ne pr\u00e9conise pas explicitement l'utilisation du bois de la province. Aux yeux de l'Association des produits forestiers du Canada, l'utilisation d'un double crit\u00e8re nous met \u00e9galement \u00e0 l'abri des r\u00e9percussions commerciales.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299752\" data-originallang=\"en\">Certains ont par ailleurs fait valoir que ce projet de loi d\u00e9signe des gagnants et des perdants. Il stipule que nous devrions privil\u00e9gier le bois au d\u00e9triment d'autres produits comme le b\u00e9ton ou l'acier. Il est bien \u00e9vident que ces industries vont exprimer certaines dol\u00e9ances \u00e0 ce sujet.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299753\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je leur r\u00e9pondrais d'abord que l'on commence \u00e0 peine \u00e0 construire des grands b\u00e2timents en bois au Canada. Le bois est une composante structurelle de quelque 5 % \u00e0 peine de nos \u00e9difices. M\u00eame si doublions ou triplions cette part de march\u00e9, l'impact sur les secteurs du ciment et de l'acier ne serait pas consid\u00e9rable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299754\" data-originallang=\"en\">Par ailleurs, les repr\u00e9sentants de l'industrie cimenti\u00e8re sont venus me voir \u00e0 mon bureau, et ils ont peut-\u00eatre fait la m\u00eame chose avec vous, pour adresser une requ\u00eate bien pr\u00e9cise au gouvernement. Ils souhaitaient que les projets soient \u00e9valu\u00e9s \u00e0 la fois en fonction de leur empreinte carbone et des co\u00fbts totaux pour l'ensemble de leur dur\u00e9e de vie. C'est exactement ce qui est pr\u00e9vu dans mon projet de loi. Les gens du secteur du ciment estiment qu'ils pourraient facilement satisfaire \u00e0 ces crit\u00e8res, et c'est tant mieux pour eux. S'ils sortent gagnants d'une analyse des co\u00fbts pour la dur\u00e9e du cycle de vie, ce sera une excellente chose, car on pourra ainsi atteindre un objectif vraiment important, \u00e0 savoir r\u00e9duire les \u00e9missions de gaz \u00e0 effet de serre et l'empreinte carbone de nos activit\u00e9s de construction. J'en serais ravi, et eux \u00e9galement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299755\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pr\u00e9cisons en troisi\u00e8me lieu que la plupart des b\u00e2timents construits en bois massif sont en quelque sorte hybrides. Le premier \u00e9tage est souvent enti\u00e8rement en b\u00e9ton. On utilise de l'acier pour les cages d'ascenseur. Dans bien des cas, on int\u00e8gre du ciment aux planchers \u00e0 des fins d'insonorisation et de chauffage. On retrouverait ainsi beaucoup d'autres mat\u00e9riaux dans ces b\u00e2timents en bois, ce qui fait que tous les secteurs b\u00e9n\u00e9ficieraient de ces nouveaux projets de construction.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299756\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je dirais en guise de conclusion qu'il s'agit ici de donner une chance au bois. La mani\u00e8re dont les b\u00e2timents sont construits est en train de changer du tout au tout, et les entreprises canadiennes sont \u00e0 l'avant-garde de ces transformations en Am\u00e9rique du Nord. Les Europ\u00e9ens sont beaucoup plus avanc\u00e9s que nous. L'acc\u00e8s aux march\u00e9s gouvernementaux permettra \u00e0 ce secteur de poursuivre sa croissance et de maintenir sa position de force. Tout au long de cette transition, nous devons promouvoir activement l'utilisation du bois dans les nouvelles constructions de mani\u00e8re \u00e0 ne pas perdre de terrain par rapport aux produits et aux technologies en usage aux \u00c9tats-Unis et en Europe.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299757\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce projet de loi vise \u00e0 favoriser l'essor de cette culture de l'utilisation du bois dans la construction de mani\u00e8re \u00e0 cr\u00e9er des b\u00e2timents \u00e0 la fois esth\u00e9tiques et s\u00e9curitaires qui ont une faible empreinte carbone, tout en appuyant l'industrie foresti\u00e8re canadienne dans toutes les r\u00e9gions du pays.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299758\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>"
            },
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            "politician_url": "/politicians/richard-cannings/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4216/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988565",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:10:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "The Chair",
                "fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299759\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Cannings.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299760\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Serr\u00e9, you're going to start us off. </p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299759\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur Cannings.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299760\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur Serr\u00e9, \u00e0 vous de partir le bal.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/the-chair-2/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/james-maloney/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4310/",
            "procedural": true,
            "source_id": "9988603",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:10:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Marc Serr\u00e9 (Nickel Belt, Lib.)",
                "fr": "M. Marc Serr\u00e9 (Nickel Belt, Lib.)"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299761\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Cannings. Congratulations on having your bill come to committee and moving it forward. You answered some of my questions, but I just want to confirm. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299762\" data-originallang=\"en\">First, are you saying that 5% of the current federal buildings are with wood?</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299761\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur Cannings. Je vous f\u00e9licite pour ce projet de loi qui poursuit son cheminement et qui se retrouve aujourd'hui devant notre comit\u00e9. Vous avez d\u00e9j\u00e0 r\u00e9pondu \u00e0 quelques-unes de mes questions, mais j'aimerais simplement confirmer certaines choses.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299762\" data-originallang=\"en\">Premi\u00e8rement, vous nous avez bien dit que 5 % des b\u00e2timents f\u00e9d\u00e9raux actuels sont construits en bois?</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/marc-serre-1/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/marc-serre/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4328/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988606",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:10:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299763\" data-originallang=\"en\">That's a number I've heard from various sources. It's the number of buildings in France that are currently wood. It's the number of buildings that Quebec reports as being currently built with wood. I've heard 3% to 5% from other people.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299763\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est ce que j'ai pu entendre de diff\u00e9rentes sources. C'est la proportion des b\u00e2timents qui sont construits en bois dans le cas de la France. Le Qu\u00e9bec fait \u00e9tat de chiffres similaires. D'autres sources indiquent que cette proportion se situerait entre 3 % et 5 %.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/richard-cannings-2/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/richard-cannings/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4216/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988612",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:10:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Marc Serr\u00e9",
                "fr": "M. Marc Serr\u00e9"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299764\" data-originallang=\"en\">What would be your estimate if this bill were to become legislation? What would be the estimate of wood that the federal government would use? Is there any data on that at all?</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299764\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si ce projet de loi est adopt\u00e9, \u00e0 combien se chiffrerait selon vous la proportion d'\u00e9difices en bois pour le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral? Existe-t-il des donn\u00e9es \u00e0 ce sujet?</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/marc-serre-2/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/marc-serre/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4328/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988613",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:10:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299765\" data-originallang=\"en\">I haven't gone to the extent of talking to people about what the size of that change would be. As I said, France thinks they can move to 30% of the new buildings being made with this new wood technology in 30 years. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299766\" data-originallang=\"en\">That might be something to look at, but I'm just saying that any increase would help the forest industry.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299765\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne suis pas all\u00e9 jusqu'\u00e0 consulter des gens pour savoir dans quelle mesure ce ratio pourrait augmenter. Comme je l'indiquais, les Fran\u00e7ais croient pouvoir atteindre d'ici 30 ans une proportion de 30 % des nouveaux \u00e9difices construits au moyen de cette nouvelle technologie utilisant le bois.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299766\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il serait peut-\u00eatre bon de chercher \u00e0 en savoir plus long, mais je fais valoir simplement que l'industrie foresti\u00e8re va b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier de cet accroissement, peu importe son ampleur.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/richard-cannings-3/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/richard-cannings/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4216/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988615",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:10:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Marc Serr\u00e9",
                "fr": "M. Marc Serr\u00e9"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299767\" data-originallang=\"en\">With the B.C. Wood First Act and the Quebec wood charter, what do you think are some of the lessons or concerns that we could learn as parliamentarians from those two acts that we could incorporate better into the bill?</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299767\" data-originallang=\"en\">Dans notre r\u00f4le de parlementaires, quels enseignements pouvons-nous tirer selon vous des exp\u00e9riences v\u00e9cues avec la Wood First Act en Colombie-Britannique et la Charte du bois au Qu\u00e9bec de mani\u00e8re \u00e0 pouvoir rendre ce projet de loi encore plus efficace?</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/marc-serre-3/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/marc-serre/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4328/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988620",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:10:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299768\" data-originallang=\"en\">I think both of those policies\u2014and it specifically states so in the B.C. one\u2014want to create a culture of wood. They want to create a situation where project managers who have to build a new warehouse for the federal government will think of building with wood, where they won't automatically think they have to build with concrete and steel. It creates a culture where wood is part of that picture, whereas it hasn't been. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299769\" data-originallang=\"en\">Really, the main goal here is to make that shift in how people think about building with wood. I think that's where they have been successful. You could say that they're a successful PR campaign in a way, but they create that culture of thinking about wood, and what we heard repeatedly from Michael Green and Bill Downing was to give wood a chance and to consider wood. </p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299768\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je crois que le but vis\u00e9 dans les deux cas \u2014 et c'est express\u00e9ment \u00e9nonc\u00e9 dans la loi de la Colombie-Britannique \u2014 est de cr\u00e9er une culture de l'utilisation du bois. Ils veulent mettre en place les conditions n\u00e9cessaires pour qu'un gestionnaire de projet qui doit construire un nouvel entrep\u00f4t pour le gouvernement pense \u00e0 se servir du bois, plut\u00f4t que de croire syst\u00e9matiquement qu'il doit utiliser le b\u00e9ton et l'acier. Il s'agit de faire en sorte que le bois fasse partie de l'\u00e9quation, ce qui n'a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 le cas jusqu'\u00e0 maintenant.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299769\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il faut surtout en fait amener les gens \u00e0 voir les choses d'un autre oeil lorsqu'il s'agit d'utiliser le bois pour la construction. Je crois que leurs efforts ont port\u00e9 fruit. D'une certaine mani\u00e8re, tout cela peut s'apparenter \u00e0 une bonne campagne de relations publiques, mais il ont bel et bien r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 inciter les gens \u00e0 penser au bois et \u00e0 donner une chance \u00e0 ce mat\u00e9riau, comme l'ont pr\u00e9conis\u00e9 \u00e0 maintes reprises Michael Green et Bill Downing.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/richard-cannings-4/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/richard-cannings/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4216/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988621",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:15:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Marc Serr\u00e9",
                "fr": "M. Marc Serr\u00e9"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299770\" data-originallang=\"en\"> We've heard from other witnesses that there's a large skills shortage in Canada for engineers and architects. In your research for the bill and the work that you've done, do you feel that, by increasing more of the wood structures, it could address the issue of a skills shortage for architects and engineers?</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299770\" data-originallang=\"en\">De nombreux t\u00e9moins nous ont dit qu'il y avait une importante p\u00e9nurie d'ing\u00e9nieurs et d'architectes au Canada. \u00c0 la lumi\u00e8re des recherches que vous avez men\u00e9es pour pr\u00e9parer ce projet de loi, comment pensez-vous qu'il sera possible de composer avec une p\u00e9nurie semblable dans nos efforts pour augmenter le nombre de constructions en bois? </p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/marc-serre-4/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/marc-serre/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4328/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988629",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:15:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299771\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yes. Again, we heard from Michael Green about that problem. He's taken it on, as a personal thing, to tell Canada about building with wood, by training people, training architects, and training engineers how to build these new buildings. Again, we're way behind the Europeans. When you look at companies, like Structurlam.... My office is working with Structurlam because they're bringing in people from Germany, so they have to deal with the work permits and things like that, because nobody in Canada knows how to do this at the engineering and design levels. I think that, if we provide this government procurement and grow the industry, it would create that critical mass, so that people, like engineers, will say that they want to learn about this and it will give them a niche that they can grow into. I think that can only help.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299772\" data-originallang=\"en\">As I said, right now, we're way behind the Europeans and we have to buy their equipment and bring in their people that they've trained.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299771\" data-originallang=\"en\">Encore l\u00e0, Michael Green nous a parl\u00e9 de ce probl\u00e8me. Il en a fait un projet personnel. Il s'emploie \u00e0 sensibiliser les Canadiens \u00e0 l'utilisation du bois dans la construction. Il enseigne notamment aux architectes et aux ing\u00e9nieurs les techniques \u00e0 utiliser pour ce nouveau mode de construction. Je r\u00e9p\u00e8te que nous accusons beaucoup de retard par rapport aux Europ\u00e9ens \u00e0 ce chapitre. Ainsi, mon bureau doit travailler avec une entreprise comme Structurlam pour r\u00e9gler des questions comme les permis de travail, car on doit faire venir des gens d'Allemagne. En effet, personne au Canada ne s'y conna\u00eet suffisamment au niveau du g\u00e9nie et de la conception pour ce genre de construction. Selon moi, si nous facilitons ainsi la croissance de l'industrie en lui donnant acc\u00e8s aux march\u00e9s publics, on en arrivera \u00e0 une masse critique de projets qui pourra inciter les ing\u00e9nieurs, entre autres, \u00e0 vouloir se perfectionner dans ce type de travaux qui leur offrira de nouvelles possibilit\u00e9s de croissance. Je pense que cela peut seulement aider.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299772\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous sommes donc loin derri\u00e8re les Europ\u00e9ens, si bien que nous devons acheter leur \u00e9quipement et faire venir ici les gens qu'ils ont form\u00e9s l\u00e0-bas.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/richard-cannings-5/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/richard-cannings/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4216/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "9988635",
            "document_url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:15:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Marc Serr\u00e9",
                "fr": "M. Marc Serr\u00e9"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299773\" data-originallang=\"en\">Do you have any insight or research on our indigenous communities about how this could engage and benefit them, by providing them with the expertise that they could utilize to create the wood structures themselves? </p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299773\" data-originallang=\"en\">Avez-vous des indications ou des donn\u00e9es quant aux avantages \u00e9ventuels pour les collectivit\u00e9s autochtones dont les membres pourraient prendre part \u00e0 de tels projets et acqu\u00e9rir ainsi l'expertise n\u00e9cessaire pour un jour cr\u00e9er eux-m\u00eames des structures en bois?</p>"
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            "time": "2018-02-27 09:15:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299774\" data-originallang=\"en\">The one thing that this does, no matter whether you're looking at building with engineered wood or regular wood, is that it would help the small and medium-sized mills across the country to thrive. Structurlam, in my home town of Penticton, buys wood from all over my riding and beyond. Most of the Douglas fir it gets for its beams comes from a company called Kalesnikoff in Castlegar, on the other side of my riding. It's a small, family-owned mill and they really appreciate that extra business. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299775\" data-originallang=\"en\">I think Bill Downing mentioned that they got the contract to rebuild the Microsoft campus in Washington state and with that, they put in an order for $4 million to Canfor, which has mills all across British Columbia and Alberta. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299776\" data-originallang=\"en\">The thing about this wood construction is that you can use any kind of wood, whether it's black spruce from the north or lodgepole pine from beetle-killed areas, you can use all that wood. If we have indigenous communities\u2014and a lot of indigenous communities in my riding have forest companies that they operate\u2014it would help those companies.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299774\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a une chose que je peux vous dire \u00e0 ce sujet. Que l'on construise avec du bois d'ing\u00e9nierie ou du bois ordinaire, les scieries de petite et de moyenne taille vont en b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier partout au pays. Dans ma ville de Penticton, Structurlam ach\u00e8te son bois \u00e0 des scieries de ma circonscription et des alentours. La majorit\u00e9 des pins de Douglas qu'elle se procure pour ses poutres vient de Kalesnikoff, une entreprise situ\u00e9e \u00e0 Castlegar, de l'autre c\u00f4t\u00e9 de ma circonscription. C'est une petite scierie familiale qui appr\u00e9cie vraiment ces commandes suppl\u00e9mentaires. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299775\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je crois que Bill Downing nous indiquait que Structurlam avait obtenu le contrat pour la reconstruction du campus de Microsoft dans l'\u00c9tat de Washington. Pour honorer ce contrat, l'entreprise a pass\u00e9 une commande de 4 millions de dollars \u00e0 Canfor qui a des scieries un peu partout en Colombie-Britannique et en Alberta. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299776\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce qui est bien avec la construction en bois, c'est qu'on peut utiliser \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s n'importe quelle essence, qu'il s'agisse de l'\u00e9pinette noire du Nord ou du pin tordu des r\u00e9gions touch\u00e9es par le dendroctone. Bon nombre des collectivit\u00e9s autochtones de ma circonscription exploitent leur propre entreprise foresti\u00e8re et en sortiront \u00e9galement gagnantes.</p>"
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        {
            "time": "2018-02-27 09:15:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Marc Serr\u00e9",
                "fr": "M. Marc Serr\u00e9"
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299777\" data-originallang=\"en\">In the last minute I have, I wanted to mention the impact it has on other industries, like cement and steel, as you mentioned. I have my honourable colleague from Sault Ste. Marie beside me and I know you alluded to that in your opening remarks, but what further assurance can you provide for the other industries, when you look at the impact that this could have on them?</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299777\" data-originallang=\"en\">Dans la minute qu'il me reste, j'aimerais aborder la question des r\u00e9percussions sur d'autres industries, comme celles du ciment et de l'acier que vous avez mentionn\u00e9es. Je suis certain que cela peut int\u00e9resser mon coll\u00e8gue de Sault-Ste. Marie \u00e0 ma droite. Je sais que vous y avez fait allusion dans vos observations pr\u00e9liminaires, mais quelles assurances suppl\u00e9mentaires pouvez-vous offrir \u00e0 ces autres industries compte tenu des r\u00e9percussions qu'elles risquent de ressentir? </p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/marc-serre-6/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/marc-serre/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4328/",
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            "time": "2018-02-27 09:15:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299778\" data-originallang=\"en\">All I know is that the United Steelworkers are all behind this bill. I can say that right up front. I think that this is a chance to grow the wood industry. It's not really about taking away from the steel industry or cement. When I talked to cement, I know that they were more worried about government infrastructure using plastics and things like that for piping. That's where they really felt that they had a good advantage. That is a totally separate issue. These industries have aspects that wood would never touch, so I really think that, if there's any effect on steel, it would be very minor. Regarding the stuff that steel does really well, that would stay the same. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299779\" data-originallang=\"en\">As I said, we're talking about a relatively small number of projects at first. We just have to grow them. We're at that critical stage, which is the valley of death for some of these companies, so it's growing that small sector of the market and helping the forest industry.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299778\" data-originallang=\"en\">Tout ce que je peux vous dire, c'est que le Syndicat des M\u00e9tallos du Canada appuie sans r\u00e9serve ce projet de loi. Je pense que c'est l'occasion pour nous de favoriser la croissance de l'industrie du bois. Il ne s'agit pas d'enlever quoi que ce soit \u00e0 l'industrie m\u00e9tallurgique ou cimenti\u00e8re. Pour avoir parl\u00e9 aux repr\u00e9sentants de ce dernier secteur, je sais qu'ils s'inqui\u00e8tent davantage de l'utilisation du plastique et d'autres mat\u00e9riaux semblables pour les canalisations au sein des infrastructures gouvernementales. Ils estiment que leurs produits offrent de nombreux avantages \u00e0 ce chapitre, mais c'est un tout autre dossier. Les produits \u00e9manant de ces industries ont certains m\u00e9rites que le bois n'entachera jamais. S'il y a des effets, par exemple, sur l'industrie sid\u00e9rurgique, ils seront tr\u00e8s mineurs, car les atouts de l'acier vont demeurer les m\u00eames.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299779\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme je l'indiquais tout \u00e0 l'heure, le nombre de projets touch\u00e9s sera relativement faible au d\u00e9part. Il faudra simplement travailler \u00e0 le faire cro\u00eetre. Nous en sommes \u00e0 une \u00e9tape critique, une sorte de vall\u00e9e de la mort, dans l'\u00e9volution de certaines de ces entreprises. Il s'agit donc d'assurer la croissance de ce petit segment de march\u00e9 tout en aidant notre industrie foresti\u00e8re. </p>"
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            "time": "2018-02-27 09:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Marc Serr\u00e9",
                "fr": "M. Marc Serr\u00e9"
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            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299780\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299780\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>"
            },
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            "time": "2018-02-27 09:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "The Chair",
                "fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
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            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299782\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Schmale.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299782\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur Schmale.</p>"
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            "time": "2018-02-27 09:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Jamie Schmale",
                "fr": "M. Jamie Schmale"
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299784\" data-originallang=\"en\">I appreciate the comments from Richard.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299785\" data-originallang=\"en\">Just to let you know, I was going to give you a bunch of lob ball questions, but Ted said that I have to go hard on you, and Mark Serr\u00e9 did too. </p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299784\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens \u00e0 vous remercier pour toutes ces pr\u00e9cisions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5299785\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je veux que vous sachiez que j'avais pr\u00e9par\u00e9 une s\u00e9rie de questions faciles, mais Ted a dit que nous devions vous faire la vie dure, exactement comme l'a fait Mark Serr\u00e9.</p>"
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            "url": "/committees/natural-resources/42-1/86/jamie-schmale-1/",
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            "time": "2018-02-27 09:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Richard Cannings",
                "fr": "M. Richard Cannings"
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            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299786\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ted's that way.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299786\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je reconnais bien Ted.</p>"
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            "time": "2018-02-27 09:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Jamie Schmale",
                "fr": "M. Jamie Schmale"
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            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299787\" data-originallang=\"en\">I do appreciate your bill. However, I do have some concerns about it, and I think you probably guessed that by the way the vote went the other day.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5299787\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je n'ai rien contre votre projet de loi. J'ai toutefois certaines r\u00e9serves, comme vous l'avez sans doute compris \u00e0 la lumi\u00e8re des r\u00e9sultats du vote de l'autre jour.</p>"
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