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            "time": "2024-10-03 08:15:00",
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                "en": "The Chair (Mr. Jo\u00ebl Lightbound (Louis-H\u00e9bert, Lib.))",
                "fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident (M. Jo\u00ebl Lightbound (Louis-H\u00e9bert, Lib.))"
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615161\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I call this meeting to order.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615162\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Welcome to meeting number 137 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Industry and Technology.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615163\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Before we begin, I would like to ask all participants to consult the small card and take note of the guidelines for the use of earpieces and microphones. This is about the health and safety of everyone, especially our interpreters.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615164\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Pursuant to the motion adopted on Thursday, September 19, 2024, we are pleased to welcome the Honourable Fran\u00e7ois\u2011Philippe Champagne, Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry, to discuss his mandate.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615165\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Welcome, Minister. It's good to see you again.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615166\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The minister is accompanied today by officials from the Department of Industry: Francis Bilodeau, acting deputy minister; Mary Gregory, associate assistant deputy minister, industry sector; and Benoit Tessier, director general, automotive, transportation, digital and industrial skills branch.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615167\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Minister, you know the drill. You will have five minutes, but we will be generous with the time allotted for your opening remarks. We will then move on to the question period.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615168\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Without further ado, you have the floor.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615161\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je d\u00e9clare la s\u00e9ance ouverte.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615162\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Bienvenue \u00e0 la 137<sup>e</sup> r\u00e9union du Comit\u00e9 permanent de l'industrie et de la technologie de la Chambre des communes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615163\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Avant de commencer, j'aimerais demander \u00e0 tous les participants de consulter le petit carton et prendre connaissance des directives concernant l'utilisation des oreillettes et des microphones. Il en va de la sant\u00e9 et de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 de tous, et particuli\u00e8rement de nos interpr\u00e8tes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615164\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Conform\u00e9ment \u00e0 la motion adopt\u00e9e le jeudi 19 septembre 2024, nous sommes heureux d'accueillir l'honorable Fran\u00e7ois\u2011Philippe Champagne, ministre de l'Innovation, des Sciences et de l'Industrie, pour discuter de son mandat.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615165\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Bienvenue, monsieur le ministre. Je suis content de vous revoir.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615166\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Il est accompagn\u00e9 aujourd'hui de repr\u00e9sentants du minist\u00e8re de l'Industrie, soit M. Francis Bilodeau, sous-ministre int\u00e9rimaire; Mme Mary Gregory, sous-ministre adjointe d\u00e9l\u00e9gu\u00e9e, Secteur de l'industrie; et M. Benoit Tessier, directeur g\u00e9n\u00e9ral, Direction g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de l'automobile, du transport, du num\u00e9rique et des comp\u00e9tences industrielles.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615167\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Monsieur le ministre, vous connaissez la proc\u00e9dure. Vous disposerez d'\u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s cinq minutes, mais nous sommes g\u00e9n\u00e9reux quant au temps allou\u00e9 \u00e0 votre discours d'ouverture. Ensuite, nous passerons \u00e0 la p\u00e9riode des questions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615168\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Sans plus tarder, je vous c\u00e8de la parole.</p>"
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        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:15:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne (Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry)",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne (ministre de l\u2019Innovation, des Sciences et de l\u2019Industrie)"
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            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615169\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615170\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you for welcoming me to your committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615171\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would also like to thank Mary Gregory, Francis Bilodeau and Benoit Tessier for the work they do in the department.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615172\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mr. Chair and members of the committee, it is a great pleasure for me to appear before you today. As always, I am honoured to appear before you, as the work of this committee contributes significantly to Canada's industrial and technological future.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615173\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I am pleased to be able to report today on the progress we have made together so far to achieve the many objectives of the mandate given to me by the <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">Prime Minister</a> .</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615174\" data-originallang=\"fr\">You will recall that when the <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">Prime Minister</a> asked me to take on the duties of Minister of Innovation, Science and Industry in 2021, I knew that this was a major challenge, at a time when our economy was in the midst of a radical transformation. I accepted the challenge with enthusiasm, knowing that we could seize generational opportunities in the economy of the future, i.e., a digital and decarbonized economy.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615175\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Our work is mostly aimed at fostering an innovation ecosystem that allows us to move from an idea to developing a concept and then a product. We are working to establish an ecosystem that puts Canada at the forefront and able to seize generational opportunities in the 21st century economy.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615176\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I have said it before and I will say it again here: we have everything we need to succeed in the 21st century. We have the talent; we have strong ecosystems, from aerospace to biomanufacturing to energy; we have the critical minerals to make not only 21st century batteries but also semiconductors; we have ample renewable energy; and, finally, we have access to most of the world's major markets with over 1.5 billion consumers, which puts Canada in a very advantageous position.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615177\" data-originallang=\"fr\">As you've seen recently, Canada has attracted what I would call a \u201chistoric\u201d investment from Dow Chemical in Fort Saskatchewan, Alberta. Then there is Volkswagen and Honda, who will be investing $19 billion in St. Thomas and elsewhere in Ontario. This is the largest private investment in Canadian history.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615178\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We are keenly aware that Canada's innovation ecosystem must be world class to ensure our long-term prosperity. That's why, as you've seen, we've invested, more than any government in Canadian history, in various initiatives related to research and science.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615179\" data-originallang=\"fr\">For example, we have added more than 1,000 new Canada research chairs, increased funding for the granting councils and provided better support for early\u2011career researchers. We have also implemented national strategies that are bearing fruit today. These are national strategies for artificial intelligence, quantum technology and, of course, life sciences, which have enabled us to position Canada at the forefront of the major technological advances of the world.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615180\" data-originallang=\"fr\">These strategies will inform our collective decision-making as a society and help us make scientific advances in these new strategic areas while maximizing economic benefits across the country.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615181\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Innovation is at the heart of a cleaner, greener economy, and we also know that, in this area, transportation will be a key factor. That is why we are going to step up our efforts to support the transition to electric vehicles and build a battery industry supply chain that is second to none in this country.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615182\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I am pleased to note, as you well know, that Bloomberg now ranks Canada as the number one country in the global EV supply chain, which in 2023 enabled us to attract over $40 billion dollars' worth of investments in the automotive industry of tomorrow. That means that we have ensured the prosperity and work of hundreds of thousands of auto industry workers for generations to come.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615183\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would also like to draw the committee's attention to the progress we have made together on modernizing the legislative framework for foreign investment. I think this is an important milestone, and I want to thank all members of the committee for their work on this.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615184\" data-originallang=\"fr\">There's also the Competition Act. I think that over the next few decades, Canadians will see the importance of the work that has been done by the committee in overhauling the Competition Act in this country and updating legislation in the areas of privacy and artificial intelligence data protection, which is still being studied by this committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615185\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Recent amendments to the Investment Canada Act to improve the transparency and efficiency of the national security review process have, as you know, two objectives.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615186\" data-originallang=\"fr\">First, they increase the confidence of Canadian businesses and foreign investors who want to invest in Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615187\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Second, they strengthen Canada's ability to act more swiftly and decisively when investments threaten national security. As we know, economic security and national security are one and the same in current times.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615188\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Furthermore, the significant amendments to the Competition Act will put an end to anti\u2011competitive mergers and collaborations that result in less choice for consumers. Of all the work done by your committee, these amendments are probably one of the milestones that people will remember for a long time. We know that we want less concentration, more competition and, obviously, better prices for Canadians.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615189\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I recently met with European Commissioner Margrethe Vestager. She said that Canada had succeeded in making the act the foundation for more competition in the Canadian economy.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615190\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Finally, we also want to strengthen privacy legislation. To that end, the digital charter implementation act, 2022 aims to maintain Canadians' trust in the handling of personal information in the digital realm. It also creates an important new risk-based framework for AI systems in Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615191\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Artificial intelligence is another critically important area which was discussed with French President Emmanuel Macron on his recent visit to Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615192\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Later today, I will be talking about it at an important summit taking place in Toronto, the Elevate Festival. As you know, Canada is a leader in responsible AI.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615193\" data-originallang=\"fr\">However, the real value of all of these initiatives is to improve the lives of Canadians on a daily basis, from coast to coast to coast. I am thinking of the generations of workers in the auto industry in Windsor\u2014I know this is going to warm the cockles of my friend Brian Masse's heart. These people are going to build the electric vehicles of tomorrow.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615194\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I'm also thinking of farmers in Saskatchewan who are going to use artificial intelligence to improve their crop yields while reducing their water consumption. Then there are the researchers in Quebec who will develop new therapies to protect the public and improve the quality of life of our seniors.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615195\" data-originallang=\"fr\">In closing, innovation is the way forward in a rapidly changing global environment. Thanks to the dedication of our team, the important contributions of this committee, the innovative spirit of researchers and the Canadian public, I am confident that we will be able to meet the challenges of the 21st century and position Canada as a leader. I always say that it is thanks to the talent, expertise and excellence of our workers that we are able to attract investments like the ones we have seen.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615196\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mr. Chair, thank you for your time this morning. I am able to stay for a little while and I will be pleased to answer my colleagues' questions.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615169\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615170\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je vous remercie de m'accueillir \u00e0 votre comit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615171\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je voudrais aussi remercier Mme Mary Gregory, M. Francis Bilodeau et M. Benoit Tessier pour le travail qu'ils font au sein du minist\u00e8re.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615172\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Monsieur le pr\u00e9sident, chers membres du Comit\u00e9, c'est avec grand plaisir que je suis devant vous, aujourd'hui. Comme toujours, je suis honor\u00e9 de compara\u00eetre devant vous, car les travaux de ce comit\u00e9 contribuent de fa\u00e7on importante \u00e0 l'avenir industriel et technologique du Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615173\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je suis heureux de pouvoir rendre compte, aujourd'hui, des progr\u00e8s que nous avons r\u00e9alis\u00e9s ensemble jusqu'\u00e0 maintenant pour atteindre les nombreux objectifs du mandat que m'a confi\u00e9 le <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">premier ministre</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615174\" data-originallang=\"fr\">En 2021, vous vous rappelez que, lorsque le <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">premier ministre</a> m'avait demand\u00e9 de remplir les fonctions de ministre de l'Innovation, des Sciences et de l'Industrie, je savais que cela repr\u00e9sentait un grand d\u00e9fi, alors que notre \u00e9conomie est en pleine transformation. J'ai accept\u00e9 avec enthousiasme de relever ce d\u00e9fi, sachant que nous pourrions saisir des occasions g\u00e9n\u00e9rationnelles dans l'\u00e9conomie de l'avenir, c'est-\u00e0-dire l'\u00e9conomie num\u00e9rique et l'\u00e9conomie d\u00e9carbon\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615175\" data-originallang=\"fr\">L'essentiel de notre travail consiste \u00e0 favoriser l'\u00e9tablissement d'un \u00e9cosyst\u00e8me d'innovation qui nous permet de passer d'une id\u00e9e \u00e0 l'\u00e9laboration d'un concept et, finalement, \u00e0 un produit. Nous travaillons \u00e0 \u00e9tablir un \u00e9cosyst\u00e8me qui met le Canada \u00e0 l'avant-plan pour saisir, justement, des occasions g\u00e9n\u00e9rationnelles dans l'\u00e9conomie du XXI<sup>e</sup> si\u00e8cle.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615176\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je le dis et je le r\u00e9p\u00e8te devant vous: nous avons tout pour r\u00e9ussir au XXI<sup>e</sup> si\u00e8cle. Nous avons le talent; nous avons des \u00e9cosyst\u00e8mes forts, de l'a\u00e9rospatiale en passant par la biofabrication et l'\u00e9nergie; nous avons les min\u00e9raux critiques pour faire non seulement les batteries du XXI<sup>e</sup> si\u00e8cle, mais aussi les semi-conducteurs; nous avons amplement d'\u00e9nergie renouvelable; et, finalement, nous avons acc\u00e8s \u00e0 la plupart des grands march\u00e9s du monde, avec plus de 1,5 milliard de consommateurs sur la plan\u00e8te, ce qui met le Canada dans une position tr\u00e8s avantageuse.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615177\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Comme vous l'avez vu r\u00e9cemment, le Canada a attir\u00e9 des investissements que je qualifierais d'\u00ab historiques \u00bb de la part de Dow Chemical, \u00e0 Fort Saskatchewan en Alberta. Pensons aussi \u00e0 Volkswagen, qui s'est \u00e9tablie \u00e0 St. Thomas en Ontario, et \u00e0 Honda, qui a annonc\u00e9 le plus grand investissement priv\u00e9 de l'histoire du Canada, soit 19 milliards de dollars.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615178\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Nous sommes bien conscients que l'\u00e9cosyst\u00e8me canadien de l'innovation doit \u00eatre de calibre mondial pour assurer notre prosp\u00e9rit\u00e9 \u00e0 long terme. C'est pourquoi, comme vous l'avez vu, nous avons investi, plus que tout autre gouvernement de l'histoire du Canada, dans diverses initiatives li\u00e9es \u00e0 la recherche et \u00e0 la science.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615179\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Par exemple, nous avons ajout\u00e9 plus de 1 000 nouvelles chaires de recherche du Canada; nous avons augment\u00e9 le financement accord\u00e9 aux conseils subventionnaires et offert un meilleur appui aux chercheurs en d\u00e9but de carri\u00e8re. Nous avons aussi mis en \u0153uvre des strat\u00e9gies nationales qui, aujourd'hui, portent leurs fruits: des strat\u00e9gies nationales en mati\u00e8re d'intelligence artificielle, en mati\u00e8re de technologie quantique et, \u00e9videmment, dans le domaine des sciences de la vie, ce qui nous a permis de positionner le Canada \u00e0 l'avant-sc\u00e8ne des grandes avanc\u00e9es technologiques de ce monde.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615180\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ces strat\u00e9gies vont nous \u00e9clairer dans notre prise de d\u00e9cision collective comme soci\u00e9t\u00e9 et nous aider \u00e0 faire des avanc\u00e9es scientifiques dans ces nouveaux domaines strat\u00e9giques tout en maximisant les retomb\u00e9es \u00e9conomiques, partout au pays.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615181\" data-originallang=\"fr\">L'innovation est au c\u0153ur d'une \u00e9conomie plus propre et plus verte, et nous savons aussi que, dans ce domaine, le transport sera un enjeu cl\u00e9. C'est pourquoi nous allons accentuer nos efforts pour soutenir la transition vers les v\u00e9hicules \u00e9lectriques et l'\u00e9tablissement d'une cha\u00eene d'approvisionnement sans pareille de l'industrie des batteries au pays.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615182\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je me r\u00e9jouis de souligner, comme vous le savez bien, que Bloomberg place maintenant le Canada au premier rang du classement g\u00e9n\u00e9ral des pays d'importance sur la cha\u00eene mondiale d'approvisionnement des v\u00e9hicules \u00e9lectriques, ce qui nous a permis, en 2023, d'attirer plus de 40 milliards de dollars d'investissements dans le domaine de l'industrie automobile de demain. Cela veut dire que l'on vient d'assurer la prosp\u00e9rit\u00e9 et le travail de centaines de milliers de travailleurs de l'industrie automobile pour les g\u00e9n\u00e9rations \u00e0 venir.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615183\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je souhaite aussi attirer l'attention du Comit\u00e9 sur le progr\u00e8s que nous avons r\u00e9alis\u00e9 ensemble dans le cadre de la modernisation du cadre l\u00e9gislatif entourant les investissements \u00e9trangers. Je pense que c'est un jalon important, et je veux remercier tous les membres du Comit\u00e9 pour le travail qu'ils ont accompli l\u00e0-dessus.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615184\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Il y a aussi la Loi sur la concurrence. Je pense que les Canadiens verront au cours des prochaines d\u00e9cennies l'importance du travail qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait par le Comit\u00e9, c'est-\u00e0-dire de faire une r\u00e9forme compl\u00e8te de la Loi sur la concurrence au pays et, finalement, une r\u00e9forme en mati\u00e8re de protection de la vie priv\u00e9e et des donn\u00e9es issues de l'intelligence artificielle, qui est encore \u00e0 l'\u00e9tude \u00e0 ce comit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615185\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Les modifications apport\u00e9es r\u00e9cemment \u00e0 la Loi sur Investissement Canada pour am\u00e9liorer la transparence et l'efficacit\u00e9 du processus d'examen relatif \u00e0 la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale ont, comme vous le savez, deux objectifs.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615186\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Premi\u00e8rement, elles rehaussent la confiance des entreprises canadiennes et des investisseurs \u00e9trangers qui veulent investir chez nous.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615187\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Deuxi\u00e8mement, elles renforcent la capacit\u00e9 du Canada d'agir plus rapidement et de mani\u00e8re plus d\u00e9cisive lorsque des investissements menacent la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale. On le sait, aujourd'hui, la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 \u00e9conomique et la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale ne font qu'un.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615188\" data-originallang=\"fr\">De plus, les importantes modifications apport\u00e9es \u00e0 la Loi sur la concurrence mettront fin aux fusions et aux collaborations anticoncurrentielles qui donnent lieu \u00e0 une r\u00e9duction de choix pour les consommateurs. De tout le travail fait par ce comit\u00e9, ces modifications constituent probablement l'un des jalons dont les citoyens vont se souvenir longtemps. On le sait, on veut moins de concentration, plus de concurrence et, \u00e9videmment, de meilleurs prix pour les Canadiens.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615189\" data-originallang=\"fr\">R\u00e9cemment, j'ai rencontr\u00e9 la commissaire europ\u00e9enne Margrethe Vestager. Au sujet de cette loi, elle disait que le Canada en avait fait un pilier sur lequel s'appuyer pour avoir plus de concurrence dans l'\u00e9conomie canadienne.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615190\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Finalement, nous d\u00e9sirons aussi renforcer la l\u00e9gislation sur la protection de la vie priv\u00e9e. \u00c0 cet \u00e9gard, la Loi de 2022 sur la mise en \u0153uvre de la Charte du num\u00e9rique vise \u00e0 maintenir la confiance des Canadiens envers le traitement des renseignements personnels dans le domaine du num\u00e9rique. Elle cr\u00e9e \u00e9galement un nouveau cadre important fond\u00e9 sur les risques pour les syst\u00e8mes d'intelligence artificielle au Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615191\" data-originallang=\"fr\">La question de l'intelligence artificielle est aussi d'une importance capitale. R\u00e9cemment, il en a \u00e9t\u00e9 question avec le pr\u00e9sident fran\u00e7ais Emmanuel Macron, qui \u00e9tait en visite chez nous.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615192\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Plus tard aujourd'hui, j'en parlerai d'ailleurs \u00e0 un grand sommet \u00e0 Toronto, soit le festival Elevate. Comme on le sait, le Canada est un leader de l'intelligence artificielle responsable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615193\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Cependant, la valeur r\u00e9elle de toutes ces initiatives, c'est d'am\u00e9liorer la vie des Canadiens au quotidien, d'un oc\u00e9an \u00e0 l'autre. Je pense aux g\u00e9n\u00e9rations d'ouvriers de l'industrie d'automobile, \u00e0 Windsor \u2014 je sais que cela va faire chaud au c\u0153ur \u00e0 mon ami Brian Masse. Ces gens-l\u00e0 vont b\u00e2tir les v\u00e9hicules \u00e9lectriques de demain.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615194\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je pense aussi aux agriculteurs de la Saskatchewan qui vont avoir recours \u00e0 l'intelligence artificielle pour am\u00e9liorer le rendement de leurs cultures tout en r\u00e9duisant leur consommation d'eau. Je pense aussi aux chercheuses du Qu\u00e9bec qui vont mettre au point de nouvelles th\u00e9rapies pour prot\u00e9ger la population et am\u00e9liorer la qualit\u00e9 de vie de nos a\u00een\u00e9s.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615195\" data-originallang=\"fr\">En terminant, je dirai que l'innovation est la voie \u00e0 suivre dans un contexte mondial en \u00e9volution croissante. Gr\u00e2ce au d\u00e9vouement de notre \u00e9quipe, aux contributions importantes de ce comit\u00e9, \u00e0 l'esprit d'innovation des chercheurs et des chercheuses et \u00e0 la population canadienne, je suis convaincu que nous serons capables de relever les d\u00e9fis du XXI<sup>e</sup> si\u00e8cle et de positionner le Canada comme un chef de file. Je dis toujours que c'est gr\u00e2ce au talent, \u00e0 l'expertise et \u00e0 l'excellence de nos travailleurs et de nos travailleuses que nous sommes capables d'attirer des investissements comme ceux que nous avons vus.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615196\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Monsieur le pr\u00e9sident, je vous remercie du temps que vous m'avez accord\u00e9 ce matin. Comme je serai encore avec vous pour les prochaines minutes, c'est avec plaisir que je r\u00e9pondrai aux questions de mes coll\u00e8gues.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/francois-philippe-champagne-1/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/francois-philippe-champagne/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4185/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12898402",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "The Chair",
                "fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615197\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Minister.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615198\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Let's get the ball rolling. I shall give the floor to my colleague Mr. Perkins for six minutes.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615197\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> C'est moi qui vous remercie, monsieur le ministre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615198\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Pour commencer la discussion, je c\u00e9derai la parole \u00e0 mon coll\u00e8gue M. Perkins pour six minutes.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/the-chair-2/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/joel-lightbound/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4431/",
            "procedural": true,
            "source_id": "12898443",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins (South Shore\u2014St. Margarets, CPC)",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins (South Shore\u2014St. Margarets, PCC)"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615199\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615200\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Minister, for coming. It's always a pleasure to have you here.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615201\" data-originallang=\"en\">It'll be a lot easier today. I know how enthusiastic you are, but if you can actually try to answer our questions, it would be more helpful for everyone, including the translators.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615202\" data-originallang=\"en\">Telesat, which you know is majority-owned by U.S. investors, is a company that your Liberal government has spent over $5 billion on since 2019 to try to connect rural and remote Canadians to the Internet with low-earth orbit satellites. There's only one small problem: It doesn't have a satellite network that connects anyone to the Internet.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615203\" data-originallang=\"en\">In 2021, six months after you became minister, you gave $1.4 billion of taxpayer money to Telesat, a large portion of which was a loan\u2014a very big loan. How much of that loan has been paid back? Just give the number, please.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615199\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615200\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le ministre, de votre pr\u00e9sence parmi nous. C'est toujours un plaisir de vous recevoir.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615201\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les choses seront beaucoup plus faciles aujourd'hui. Je sais \u00e0 quel point vous \u00eates enthousiaste, mais si vous pouviez vraiment essayer de r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 nos questions, ce serait plus utile pour tout le monde, y compris les interpr\u00e8tes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615202\" data-originallang=\"en\">T\u00e9l\u00e9sat, qui appartient majoritairement \u00e0 des investisseurs am\u00e9ricains, comme vous le savez, est une entreprise \u00e0 laquelle votre gouvernement lib\u00e9ral a consacr\u00e9 plus de 5 milliards de dollars depuis 2019 pour essayer de connecter les Canadiens des r\u00e9gions rurales et \u00e9loign\u00e9es \u00e0 Internet au moyen de satellites en orbite basse. Il n'y a qu'un petit probl\u00e8me: l'entreprise n'a pas de r\u00e9seau par satellites reliant qui que ce soit \u00e0 Internet.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615203\" data-originallang=\"en\">En 2021, six mois apr\u00e8s \u00eatre devenu ministre, vous avez donn\u00e9 1,4 milliard de dollars de l'argent des contribuables \u00e0 T\u00e9l\u00e9sat, dont une grande partie \u00e9tait un pr\u00eat \u2014 un pr\u00eat tr\u00e8s important. Quelle partie de ce pr\u00eat a \u00e9t\u00e9 rembours\u00e9e? Contentez-vous de me donner un chiffre, s'il vous pla\u00eet.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/rick-perkins-1/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/rick-perkins/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4639/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12898445",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:20:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615204\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I'm very proud of the work of Telesat and of the workers at Telesat, I must say. Telesat is a Canadian company. We're proud of what they're doing.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615205\" data-originallang=\"en\">I can assure you that the investments.... I would say, Mr. Perkins, just to be clear, that we're making money out of these loans. We have a return on the investments that we have invested in\u2014</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615204\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Je dois dire que je suis tr\u00e8s fier du travail et des travailleurs de T\u00e9l\u00e9sat, qui est une entreprise canadienne. Nous sommes fiers de ce qu'ils font.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615205\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je peux vous assurer que les investissements... Pour que ce soit bien clair, je dirais, monsieur Perkins, que nous faisons de l'argent avec ces pr\u00eats. Nous avons un rendement sur les investissements que nous avons faits...</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/francois-philippe-champagne-2/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/francois-philippe-champagne/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4185/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12898448",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615206\" data-originallang=\"en\">Minister, how much of that...? I have limited time.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615207\" data-originallang=\"en\">With respect, Minister, I just asked for a\u2014</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615206\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le ministre, quelle partie de...? Mon temps est limit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615207\" data-originallang=\"en\">En tout respect, monsieur le ministre, je veux seulement...</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/rick-perkins-2/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/rick-perkins/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4639/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12903585",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615208\" data-originallang=\"en\">Do you want me to answer or not? I don't know.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615208\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voulez-vous que je r\u00e9ponde ou non? Je ne sais pas.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/francois-philippe-champagne-3/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/francois-philippe-champagne/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4185/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12903592",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615209\" data-originallang=\"en\">You haven't answered. I asked one simple question, not for an explanation of what Telesat does.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615210\" data-originallang=\"en\">I asked a question. That question is quite simple. Give a simple answer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615211\" data-originallang=\"en\">How much of the $1.4 billion investment and loan\u2014the loan was almost an $800-million part of it\u2014has been paid back since 2021?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615212\" data-originallang=\"en\">Just give the number or the percentage. You can do either one.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615209\" data-originallang=\"en\">Vous n'avez pas r\u00e9pondu. J'ai pos\u00e9 une question simple, et je ne veux pas que vous m'expliquiez ce que fait T\u00e9l\u00e9sat.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615210\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai pos\u00e9 une question. Cette question est fort simple. Donnez-moi une r\u00e9ponse simple.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615211\" data-originallang=\"en\">Quelle partie de l'investissement et du pr\u00eat de 1,4 milliard de dollars \u2014 le pr\u00eat repr\u00e9sentant presque 800 millions de dollars \u2014 a \u00e9t\u00e9 rembours\u00e9e depuis 2021?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615212\" data-originallang=\"en\">Donnez-moi simplement le chiffre ou le pourcentage, l'un ou l'autre.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/rick-perkins-3/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/rick-perkins/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4639/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12898451",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615213\" data-originallang=\"en\">Let's be clear. It's your privilege, Mr. Perkins, to ask the question. It's my privilege to answer.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615213\" data-originallang=\"en\">Soyons clairs. C'est votre privil\u00e8ge, monsieur Perkins, de poser la question. C'est mon privil\u00e8ge de r\u00e9pondre.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/francois-philippe-champagne-4/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/francois-philippe-champagne/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4185/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12898453",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615214\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would like you to answer.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615214\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais que vous r\u00e9pondiez.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/rick-perkins-4/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/rick-perkins/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4639/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12903453",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615215\" data-originallang=\"en\">My answer to you is that I am proud of what Telesat is doing. I am proud of the loan that we have granted them to have a large constellation\u2014about 198 satellites\u2014that will offer coverage to Canadians. Importantly, for our national\u2014</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615215\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous r\u00e9pondrai que je suis fier de ce que fait T\u00e9l\u00e9sat. Je suis fier du pr\u00eat que nous leur avons accord\u00e9 pour qu'ils aient une grande constellation \u2014 environ 198 satellites \u2014 qui offrira une couverture aux Canadiens. \u00c0 l'\u00e9chelle nationale, il est important...</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/francois-philippe-champagne-5/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/francois-philippe-champagne/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4185/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12903497",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615216\" data-originallang=\"en\">I didn't ask about that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615217\" data-originallang=\"en\">With respect, Minister\u2014</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615216\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ma question ne porte pas sur cela.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615217\" data-originallang=\"en\">Sauf votre respect, monsieur le ministre...</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/rick-perkins-5/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/rick-perkins/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4639/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12903506",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615218\" data-originallang=\"en\">Sir, if you're going to interrupt me every time I try to answer your question, then it's not going to go well today for you.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615218\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur, si vous m'interrompez chaque fois que j'essaie de r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 votre question, les choses ne vont pas bien se passer pour vous aujourd'hui.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/francois-philippe-champagne-6/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/francois-philippe-champagne/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4185/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12903534",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615219\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Chair.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615219\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/rick-perkins-6/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/rick-perkins/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4639/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12903558",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "The Chair",
                "fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615220\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Yes, Mr. Perkins.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615221\" data-originallang=\"en\">Minister, please try to be succinct in your answers and to the point.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615222\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Perkins.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615220\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Oui, monsieur Perkins.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615221\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le ministre, essayez d'\u00eatre bref dans vos r\u00e9ponses et d'aller droit au but.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615222\" data-originallang=\"en\">Allez\u2011y, monsieur Perkins.</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/the-chair-3/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/joel-lightbound/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4431/",
            "procedural": true,
            "source_id": "12898459",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615223\" data-originallang=\"en\">I will come to your latest announcement. I asked about the $1.4 billion, so the answer, obviously, is that zero has been paid back.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615224\" data-originallang=\"en\">You also had, at that time, in 2021, $650 million allocated for equity as well as for warrants. How much taxpayer money have you spent right now in warrants on that 2021 option?</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615223\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'en viens \u00e0 votre derni\u00e8re annonce. J'ai pos\u00e9 une question au sujet des 1,4 milliard de dollars, alors la r\u00e9ponse, \u00e9videmment, c'est que rien n'a \u00e9t\u00e9 rembours\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615224\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u00c0 ce moment\u2011l\u00e0, en 2021, 650 millions de dollars ont \u00e9galement \u00e9t\u00e9 affect\u00e9s aux capitaux propres et aux bons de souscription. Combien d'argent des contribuables avez-vous d\u00e9pens\u00e9 en bons de souscription pour cette option de 2021?</p>"
            },
            "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/rick-perkins-7/",
            "politician_url": "/politicians/rick-perkins/",
            "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4639/",
            "procedural": false,
            "source_id": "12898460",
            "document_url": "/committees/industry/44-1/137/"
        },
        {
            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne"
            },
            "content": {
                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615225\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Listen, I'm happy to get back to you with the specifics, but what I think Canadians are concerned about is making sure that we have, for national security reasons, a very broad coverage when it comes to telecom in the Arctic. I can tell you that the LEO satellites\u2014the low-earth orbit satellites\u2014that are going to be put in orbit by Telesat are going to be key for NORAD modernization and in enabling NATO allies to protect the Arctic and the north.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615226\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would say, Mr. Perkins, that using the federal government balance sheet in order to support Canadian companies is a smart way to do things, because, in this case, in the loan we have provided, we're actually making money. We're making money, because we borrow at a lower rate than we lend the money. Therefore, Canadians will be making money while protecting national security, and it will ensure that there will be coverage in the north and the Arctic.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615225\" data-originallang=\"en\"> \u00c9coutez, je serai heureux de vous revenir avec les d\u00e9tails, mais je pense que ce qui pr\u00e9occupe les Canadiens, c'est de s'assurer que nous avons, pour des raisons de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, une tr\u00e8s vaste couverture en ce qui concerne les t\u00e9l\u00e9communications dans l'Arctique. Je peux vous dire que les satellites LEO \u2014 les satellites en orbite basse \u2014 qui seront lanc\u00e9s par T\u00e9l\u00e9sat sont essentiels \u00e0 la modernisation du NORAD et permettront aux alli\u00e9s de l'OTAN de prot\u00e9ger l'Arctique et le Nord.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8615226\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur Perkins, je dirais que l'utilisation du bilan du gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral pour soutenir les entreprises canadiennes est une fa\u00e7on intelligente de faire les choses, parce que, dans ce cas\u2011ci, gr\u00e2ce au pr\u00eat que nous avons accord\u00e9, nous faisons de l'argent. Nous faisons de l'argent, parce que nous empruntons \u00e0 un taux inf\u00e9rieur \u00e0 celui auquel nous pr\u00eatons. Par cons\u00e9quent, les Canadiens feront de l'argent tout en prot\u00e9geant la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, et cela garantira une couverture dans le Nord et dans l'Arctique.</p>"
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            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
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                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
                "fr": "M. Rick Perkins"
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615227\" data-originallang=\"en\">Let's talk about that $2.1-billion loan that you just announced on September 13. It's a 15-year loan that gives interest relief, essentially, with no interest payments for the first five years. At the rate that you set in the contract of 4.7% plus the overnight repo rate, that's about a 10% interest rate at current rates. That's over $1 billion of interest in the first five years that you're forgiving to Telesat, and you said you'll get goods in kind. What goods in kind are you getting for $1 billion?</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615227\" data-originallang=\"en\">Parlons du pr\u00eat de 2,1 milliards de dollars que vous venez d'annoncer le 13 septembre. Il s'agit d'un pr\u00eat sur 15 ans qui offre un all\u00e9gement des int\u00e9r\u00eats, essentiellement, un cong\u00e9 d'int\u00e9r\u00eats pour les 5 premi\u00e8res ann\u00e9es. Au taux de 4,7 % fix\u00e9 dans le contrat, plus le taux d'op\u00e9ration de pension \u00e0 un jour, cela repr\u00e9sente des int\u00e9r\u00eats d'environ 10 % aux taux actuels. C'est plus de 1 milliard de dollars d'int\u00e9r\u00eats au cours des 5 premi\u00e8res ann\u00e9es que vous faites \u00e9conomiser \u00e0 T\u00e9l\u00e9sat. Vous avez mentionn\u00e9 que vous allez obtenir des biens en nature. Quels biens en nature obtenez-vous pour 1 milliard de dollars?</p>"
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            "time": "2024-10-03 08:25:00",
            "attribution": {
                "en": "Hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne",
                "fr": "L\u2019hon. Fran\u00e7ois-Philippe Champagne"
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615228\" data-originallang=\"en\">We're getting satellite coverage to protect our national security, sir. I would say that we're making money. That's why I think Canadians.... There are a lot of people watching at home\u2014</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615228\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous obtenons une couverture par satellite pour prot\u00e9ger notre s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale, monsieur. Je r\u00e9p\u00e8te que nous faisons de l'argent. C'est pourquoi je pense que les Canadiens... Il y a beaucoup de gens qui nous regardent \u00e0 la maison...</p>"
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                "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins",
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                "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615229\" data-originallang=\"en\">You're not making money if you're forgiving the interest.</p>",
                "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8615229\" data-originallang=\"en\">Vous ne faites pas d'argent si vous renoncez aux int\u00e9r\u00eats.</p>"
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