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"time": "2023-02-15 17:55:00",
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"en": "Mrs. Jenica Atwin",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609714\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you very much.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609715\" data-originallang=\"en\"> In New Brunswick, we were seeing similar things happening. The provincial government wasn't living up to its responsibilities for provincial schools. There was chronic underfunding for on-reserve schools. Something that worked very well was that specific agreements were put in place. We saw major dividends from those agreements in empowering the communities to make decisions for themselves to hire and to put people in the schools, which is that representation piece. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609716\" data-originallang=\"en\">President Obed, you mentioned some of the transformative education agreements. Can you speak to how important they are and what they look like in your territory?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609714\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci beaucoup.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609715\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Au Nouveau-Brunswick, nous vivions des situations semblables. Le gouvernement provincial n'assumait pas ses responsabilit\u00e9s \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard des \u00e9coles provinciales. Les \u00e9coles des r\u00e9serves \u00e9taient victimes d'un sous-financement chronique. L'une des choses qui ont tr\u00e8s bien fonctionn\u00e9 a \u00e9t\u00e9 la mise en place d'accords particuliers. Ces accords ont permis de d\u00e9gager des dividendes importants en donnant aux communaut\u00e9s le pouvoir d'embaucher elles-m\u00eames des personnes pour les affecter dans les \u00e9tablissements scolaires, ce qui r\u00e9pond \u00e0 l'exigence de repr\u00e9sentation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609716\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur Obed, vous avez mentionn\u00e9 certains des accords transformateurs en mati\u00e8re d'\u00e9ducation. Pouvez-vous nous parler de leur importance et nous dire \u00e0 quoi ils ressemblent sur votre territoire?</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609717\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'll start with the work that we've tried to do with the federal government.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609718\" data-originallang=\"en\">Starting in 2008 or so, when Inuit wanted to create a national Inuit strategy on education, we brought the federal government and the provinces, territories and all education authorities together to try to come up with terms of reference or a path forward for improving educational outcomes for K-to-12 Inuit students and also for post-secondary students.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609719\" data-originallang=\"en\">The accord that was signed was meant to be a starting point. We were so excited for the possibility of further federal funding for specific targeted interventions that would be very much appreciated by educational authorities. They were Inuit-specific and allowed for culture and language, for greater access to social programs, or for specific accreditation standards, especially when it came to teacher attainment and accreditation. These interventions would bring more Inuit into the school program or into post-secondary education. We built our national strategy around this idea that we could transform the system and that all jurisdictions would be with us. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609720\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ultimately, people retreat back into the status quo. It's very easy to do that. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609721\" data-originallang=\"en\">Also, I can understand how hard it is for a federal government to get into a space that a province or territory has deemed its own, even if it does not do a very good job with it. If you look at our educational attainment and you look at the infrastructure in our communities for education in relation to other communities, it's obvious that there's a massive deficit, but transforming that space and allowing any partner who wants to help is not necessarily what we have experienced. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609722\" data-originallang=\"en\">We still remain hopeful, and, through the Inuit-Crown Partnership Committee, we do have a structure whereby education and early learning are priorities within the bilateral space between Inuit leadership and the Crown. However, we are still struggling with that basic idea of what is possible and the extent to which the federal government is willing to put itself in a difficult scenario for Inuit children. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609723\" data-originallang=\"en\">This question is not just in education. It's also in relation to housing. It's also in relation to the implementation of UNDRIP. These are really hard spaces for the federal government, because they bleed into relationships with jurisdictions that in some cases will go hard in other areas if they do not like what the federal government is doing in relation to this area of indigenous people.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609717\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais commencer par parler du travail que nous avons essay\u00e9 d'accomplir avec le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609718\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u00c0 partir de 2008 environ, lorsque les Inuits ont voulu cr\u00e9er une strat\u00e9gie nationale inuite en mati\u00e8re d'\u00e9ducation, nous avons r\u00e9uni le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral, les provinces, les territoires et toutes les autorit\u00e9s responsables de l'\u00e9ducation pour tenter d'\u00e9tablir un cadre de r\u00e9f\u00e9rence ou une feuille de route pour am\u00e9liorer les r\u00e9sultats scolaires des \u00e9tudiants inuits de la maternelle \u00e0 la 12<sup>e</sup> ann\u00e9e et des \u00e9tudiants de niveau postsecondaire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609719\" data-originallang=\"en\">L'accord qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 sign\u00e9 \u00e9tait cens\u00e9 constituer un point de d\u00e9part. Nous \u00e9tions tr\u00e8s enthousiastes quant \u00e0 la possibilit\u00e9 de b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier d'un financement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral suppl\u00e9mentaire pour des interventions cibl\u00e9es particuli\u00e8res qui seraient tr\u00e8s appr\u00e9ci\u00e9es par les responsables de l'\u00e9ducation. Elles \u00e9taient adapt\u00e9es aux Inuits et visaient \u00e0 pr\u00e9server la culture et la langue, \u00e0 faciliter l'acc\u00e8s aux programmes sociaux ou \u00e0 \u00e9tablir des normes d'accr\u00e9ditation particuli\u00e8res, notamment en ce qui a trait \u00e0 la formation et \u00e0 l'accr\u00e9ditation des enseignants. Ces interventions devaient permettre \u00e0 un plus grand nombre d'Inuits de prendre part \u00e0 des programmes scolaires ou de faire des \u00e9tudes postsecondaires. Nous avons b\u00e2ti notre strat\u00e9gie nationale autour de l'id\u00e9e que nous pouvions transformer le syst\u00e8me et que toutes les administrations seraient de notre c\u00f4t\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609720\" data-originallang=\"en\">En fin de compte, les gens se replient sur le statu quo. C'est facile.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609721\" data-originallang=\"en\">De plus, je peux comprendre \u00e0 quel point il est difficile pour un gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral de s'immiscer dans un espace qu'une province ou un territoire juge \u00eatre le sien, m\u00eame si elle ne le g\u00e8re pas tr\u00e8s bien. Si vous comparez le niveau d'\u00e9ducation et l'infrastructure scolaire de nos communaut\u00e9s \u00e0 ceux d'autres communaut\u00e9s, il est \u00e9vident que nous accusons un retard consid\u00e9rable. Nous n'avons toutefois pas n\u00e9cessairement fait l'exp\u00e9rience de transformer cet espace et de permettre \u00e0 tout partenaire qui le souhaite d'apporter son aide. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609722\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous gardons toutefois espoir et, gr\u00e2ce au Comit\u00e9 de partenariat entre les Inuits et la Couronne, nous disposons d'une structure dans laquelle l\u2019\u00e9ducation scolaire et pr\u00e9scolaire est une priorit\u00e9 dans l'espace bilat\u00e9ral entre les dirigeants inuits et la Couronne. Cependant, nous sommes toujours aux prises avec cette id\u00e9e fondamentale de ce qui est possible et de la mesure dans laquelle le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral est pr\u00eat \u00e0 se mettre dans une situation difficile pour les enfants inuits. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609723\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cette question ne concerne pas seulement l'\u00e9ducation, mais aussi le logement. Elle est \u00e9galement li\u00e9e \u00e0 la mise en \u0153uvre de la D\u00e9claration des Nations unies sur les droits des peuples autochtones. Il s'agit d'espaces tr\u00e8s complexes pour legouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral, parce qu'ils se r\u00e9percutent sur les relations avec les administrations qui, dans certains cas, vont frapper fort dans d'autres domaines si elles n'appr\u00e9cient pas les mesures que prend le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral au sujet des populations autochtones.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609724\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Ms. Atwin.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609725\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mrs. Gill, you now have the floor for six minutes.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609724\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci, madame Atwin.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609725\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Madame Gill, vous avez maintenant la parole pour six minutes.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 17:55:00",
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"en": "Mrs. Maril\u00e8ne Gill",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609726\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609727\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I thank all the witnesses for being with us today.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609728\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I, too, come from the world of education\u2014that seems to be a pattern today\u2014more specifically, from the world of college education, in Quebec. I used to teach literature. I am therefore very sensitive to what Ms. Caron and Mr. Obed have said.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609729\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I have actually taught elements of culture and language, particularly to aboriginal students in my riding, namely Innu students. So I was able to see, for several years, the difficulties that the students were facing. They understood the language, but sometimes we tried to go very far in teaching literary works in French.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609730\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mr. Obed talked about the difficulties on top of that, and I have seen them too. Quebec students who are not members of a first nation also have difficulties, but these are not necessarily related to remoteness, for example. As Mr. Obed mentioned, we want these students to be able to study at home, and that is sometimes very far away. Some of the students I taught lived more than 800 kilometres from the college.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609731\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would like Ms. Caron and Mr. Obed to tell us how this affects other areas. One of the things they mentioned was housing. I am not going to raise the topic of jurisdictions, which is quite unusual for the Bloc Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois, because I am speaking generally. There are children who go to school far from home. There is also the issue of cultural references.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609732\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I will now turn the floor over to the witnesses about the external needs that make us want to do better.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609733\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would have liked to tell you about Kiuna College in Quebec, but I will come back to that later.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609726\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609727\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je remercie tous les t\u00e9moins d'\u00eatre parmi nous aujourd'hui.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609728\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je viens, moi aussi, du milieu de l'enseignement \u2014 cela semble \u00eatre un leitmotiv aujourd'hui \u2014, plus particuli\u00e8rement du milieu de l'enseignement coll\u00e9gial, au Qu\u00e9bec. Plus pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment, je viens du monde de la litt\u00e9rature. Je suis donc tr\u00e8s sensible aux propos de Mme Caron et de M. Obed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609729\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'ai justement enseign\u00e9 des \u00e9l\u00e9ments de culture et de langue, notamment \u00e0 des \u00e9tudiants autochtones de ma circonscription, soit des \u00e9tudiants innus. J'ai donc pu voir, pendant plusieurs ann\u00e9es, les difficult\u00e9s auxquelles les \u00e9tudiants se butaient. Ils comprenaient la langue, mais on essayait parfois d'aller tr\u00e8s loin dans l'enseignement des \u0153uvres litt\u00e9raires en fran\u00e7ais.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609730\" data-originallang=\"fr\">M. Obed a parl\u00e9 des difficult\u00e9s qui s'ajoutent \u00e0 cela, et je les ai \u00e9galement constat\u00e9es. Ce n'est pas que les \u00e9tudiants qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois qui ne sont pas membres d'une Premi\u00e8re Nation n'ont pas de difficult\u00e9s, mais celles-ci ne sont pas n\u00e9cessairement en lien avec l'\u00e9loignement, par exemple. Comme l'a mentionn\u00e9 M. Obed, on souhaite que ces \u00e9tudiants puissent \u00e9tudier chez eux, et c'est parfois tr\u00e8s loin. Certains \u00e9tudiants \u00e0 qui j'ai enseign\u00e9 habitaient \u00e0 plus de 800 kilom\u00e8tres du coll\u00e8ge.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609731\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'aimerais que Mme Caron et M. Obed nous disent de quelle fa\u00e7on cela touche d'autres secteurs. Ils ont notamment mentionn\u00e9 le logement. Je fais fi des comp\u00e9tences, ce qui est tr\u00e8s rare pour le Bloc qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois, parce que je parle de fa\u00e7on g\u00e9n\u00e9rale. Des enfants fr\u00e9quentent une \u00e9cole situ\u00e9e loin de chez eux. Il y a aussi la question des rep\u00e8res culturels.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609732\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je laisse maintenant la parole aux t\u00e9moins au sujet des besoins ext\u00e9rieurs qui nous incitent \u00e0 vouloir faire mieux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609733\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'aurais aim\u00e9 vous parler du coll\u00e8ge Kiuna, situ\u00e9 au Qu\u00e9bec, mais j'y reviendrai plus tard.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:00:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609734\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I would suggest that Ms. Caron start, and then Mr. Obed could respond.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609734\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je sugg\u00e8re que Mme Caron commence, puis M. Obed pourra r\u00e9pondre.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:00:00",
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"en": "Ms. Cassidy Caron",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609735\" data-originallang=\"en\">Sure. If I understood correctly, the question was simply about what more could be done to do better.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609736\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I think it comes down to simple investments in education for indigenous students and for M\u00e9tis students.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609737\" data-originallang=\"en\"> We have always seen significant underfunding for M\u00e9tis programs and services. There's been that jurisdictional hot potato between provincial governments and the federal government for so long with regard to who takes responsibility for the M\u00e9tis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609738\" data-originallang=\"en\">In 2016, of course, there was the Supreme Court decision, the Daniels decision, and it was deemed that M\u00e9tis people are the responsibility of the federal government. There has been significantly slow uptake in changing programs, services and investments for the M\u00e9tis nation since 2016. Indigenous Services Canada still has a number of programs and services that leave out the M\u00e9tis nation that were established before 2016, and they still carry on today. They are still labelled \u201cindigenous programs\u201d, but they are specifically first nations and Inuit. We see that all across the country now as it relates to education.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609739\" data-originallang=\"en\">Investments in education, in M\u00e9tis-specific programs and services that can support M\u00e9tis students, are going to help. Ms. Gill, you spoke about some of those barriers that a lot of our people face. We need the recognition that children need safe homes to be able to then feel safe to go to school. Those socio-economic gaps that exist between the M\u00e9tis nation and non-indigenous Canadians affect the educational outcomes for the M\u00e9tis nation. Everything that we are doing to close socio-economic gaps is going to help the educational outcomes for M\u00e9tis students.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609740\" data-originallang=\"en\">We know that with the investment into education, we're investing in these children's futures. With more education, higher education, they can earn a higher income. That lowers crime rates and lowers the cost on the health care system. There are so many studies on investments in education paying off for the Canadian economy. With our large M\u00e9tis population, I can only imagine how that translates. Investments in M\u00e9tis education will only support this country.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609735\" data-originallang=\"en\">D'accord. Si j'ai bien compris, la question portait simplement sur ce que l'on pourrait faire pour nous am\u00e9liorer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609736\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Je pense qu'il faut simplement investir dans l'\u00e9ducation des \u00e9l\u00e8ves autochtones et m\u00e9tis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609737\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les programmes et services destin\u00e9s aux M\u00e9tis ont toujours \u00e9t\u00e9 largement sous-financ\u00e9s. Les gouvernements provinciaux et le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral se renvoient depuis longtemps la balle sur la question de savoir qui est responsable des M\u00e9tis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609738\" data-originallang=\"en\">En 2016, il y a eu la d\u00e9cision de la Cour supr\u00eame, la d\u00e9cision Daniels, qui a \u00e9tabli que les M\u00e9tis relevaient de la responsabilit\u00e9 du gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral. La modification des programmes, des services et des investissements pour la nation m\u00e9tisse s'est faite avec une lenteur consid\u00e9rable depuis 2016. Services aux Autochtones Canada offre encore un certain nombre de programmes et de services \u00e9tablis avant 2016 qui excluent les M\u00e9tis. Ils portent l'\u00e9tiquette de \u00ab programmes autochtones \u00bb, mais ils sont destin\u00e9s aux Premi\u00e8res Nations et aux Inuits. La situation est la m\u00eame dans tout le pays pour ce qui est de l'\u00e9ducation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609739\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il sera utile d'investir dans l'\u00e9ducation et dans les programmes et services adapt\u00e9s aux M\u00e9tis qui peuvent soutenir les \u00e9tudiants m\u00e9tis. Madame Gill, vous avez parl\u00e9 de certains des obstacles auxquels beaucoup de nous sommes confront\u00e9s. Nous devons reconna\u00eetre que les enfants ont besoin d'un foyer s\u00fbr pour pouvoir ensuite se sentir en s\u00e9curit\u00e9 pour aller \u00e0 l'\u00e9cole. Les \u00e9carts socio-\u00e9conomiques qui existent entre la nation m\u00e9tisse et les Canadiens non autochtones ont une incidence sur les r\u00e9sultats scolaires de la nation m\u00e9tisse. Tout ce que nous faisons pour combler les \u00e9carts socio-\u00e9conomiques contribuera \u00e0 am\u00e9liorer les r\u00e9sultats scolaires des \u00e9l\u00e8ves m\u00e9tis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609740\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous savons que lorsque nous investissons dans l'\u00e9ducation, nous investissons dans l'avenir de ces enfants. Avec plus d'\u00e9ducation, une \u00e9ducation sup\u00e9rieure, ils pourront gagner un revenu plus \u00e9lev\u00e9, ce qui engendrera une baisse du taux de criminalit\u00e9 et une r\u00e9duction des co\u00fbts pour le syst\u00e8me de sant\u00e9. Un grand nombre d'\u00e9tudes ont \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9alis\u00e9es sur les b\u00e9n\u00e9fices de l'investissement dans l'\u00e9ducation pour l'\u00e9conomie canadienne. Compte tenu de la taille importante de la population m\u00e9tisse, je ne peux qu'imaginer l'incidence qu'auront les investissements dans l'\u00e9ducation des M\u00e9tis. Ils n'engendreront que des b\u00e9n\u00e9fices pour ce pays. </p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:00:00",
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"en": "Mr. Natan Obed",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609741\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I'll focus exclusively on Inuktut in response to your question. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609742\" data-originallang=\"en\">Anybody you interact with who is fluent in Inuktut and who does their work in Inuktut\u2014just like Lori Idlout, who chooses to work in Inuktut in this committee\u2014is an in-kind gift to the country. No formal education system has created an Inuktitut speaker in this country. Even though you have a jurisdiction like Nunavut, where there is an 85% majority of Inuit and the mother tongue of the jurisdiction is Inuktut, the education systems do not create grade-12-level Inuktut speakers. The community does that. The family does that. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609743\" data-originallang=\"en\">It's the same thing in Nunavik; 99% of all Inuit from Nunavik speak Inuktitut as their mother tongue. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609744\" data-originallang=\"en\">These are incredibly resilient languages, but you can see how difficult it would be to go to school in your second or third language and expect to just plow ahead as if that is normal, and also how difficult it would be to leave your mother tongue behind forcefully.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609745\" data-originallang=\"en\">My sons went to Inuktitut day care. They went to the Inuktitut stream through grades K to four. Now they are in grades 10 and eight. Since grade four, they have not learned anything in our education system about Inuktitut. They have gone through remedial language arts classes that allow for them to still maintain a bit of their language. There isn't the educational pedagogy to graduate them as Inuktitut speakers.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609746\" data-originallang=\"en\">This is one of the fundamental problems that we don't address. We tried to address it through the Indigenous Languages Act. We have tried to get Inuktut as an official language in Inuit Nunangat, but we have not been successful yet.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609747\" data-originallang=\"en\">We need transformative change in relation to the recognition of Inuktut to be able to educate our children and to give them a chance to build upon their mother tongue to be successful in their educational journey.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609741\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais me concentrer exclusivement sur l'inuktut pour r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 votre question.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609742\" data-originallang=\"en\">Toute personne avec laquelle vous interagissez et qui parle couramment l'inuktut, et qui travaille en inuktut \u2014 comme Lori Idlout, qui a choisi de travailler en inuktut au sein de ce comit\u00e9 \u2014 est un cadeau en nature pour ce pays. Aucun syst\u00e8me d'\u00e9ducation formel n'a permis \u00e0 quiconque d'apprendre \u00e0 parler l'inuktitut dans ce pays. M\u00eame dans une administration comme le Nunavut, qui compte 85 % d'Inuits et dont la langue maternelle est l'inuktut, les syst\u00e8mes d'\u00e9ducation ne cr\u00e9ent pas de personnes qui parlent l'inuktut au niveau de la 12<sup>e</sup> ann\u00e9e. C'est la communaut\u00e9 qui le fait. C'est la famille.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609743\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est la m\u00eame chose au Nunavik; l'inuktitut est la langue maternelle de 99 % des Inuits. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609744\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ces langues sont incroyablement r\u00e9silientes, mais vous pouvez imaginer \u00e0 quel point il serait difficile d'\u00e9tudier dans sa deuxi\u00e8me ou troisi\u00e8me langue et que l'on s'attende \u00e0 ce que vous progressiez comme si c'\u00e9tait normal, et aussi \u00e0 quel point il serait difficile d'\u00eatre forc\u00e9 d'abandonner votre langue maternelle.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609745\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mes fils sont all\u00e9s \u00e0 la garderie o\u00f9 l'on parlait l'inuktitut. Ils ont suivi la fili\u00e8re inuktitut de la maternelle \u00e0 la 4<sup>e</sup> ann\u00e9e. Ils sont maintenant en 10<sup>e</sup> et en 8<sup>e</sup> ann\u00e9e. Depuis la 4<sup>e</sup> ann\u00e9e, ils n'ont rien appris de l'inuktitut dans notre syst\u00e8me d'\u00e9ducation. Ils ont suivi des cours de rattrapage linguistique qui leur ont permis de conserver un peu de leur langue. Il n'y a pas de p\u00e9dagogie \u00e9ducative qui leur permette d'obtenir un dipl\u00f4me en tant que locuteur inuktitut.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609746\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est l'un des probl\u00e8mes fondamentaux que nous n'avons pas r\u00e9gl\u00e9s. Nous avons essay\u00e9 de le faire par l'entremise de la Loi sur les langues autochtones. Nous avons essay\u00e9 de faire de l'inuktut une langue officielle dans l'Inuit Nunangat, mais nous n'avons pas encore r\u00e9ussi.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609747\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous devons apporter un changement transformateur en ce qui concerne la reconnaissance de l'inuktut pour pouvoir \u00e9duquer nos enfants et leur offrir la possibilit\u00e9 d'utiliser leur langue maternelle pour r\u00e9ussir leur parcours \u00e9ducatif.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:05:00",
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"en": "The Chair",
"fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609748\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> Thank you, Mrs. Gill.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609749\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ms. Idlout, you now have the floor for six minutes.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609748\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> Merci, madame Gill.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609749\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Madame Idlout, vous avez maintenant la parole pour six minutes.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:05:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Lori Idlout (Nunavut, NDP)",
"fr": "Mme Lori Idlout (Nunavut, NPD)"
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"en": "<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"7609750\">[<em>Member spoke in Inuktitut as follows:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8642484\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u1581\u152d\u14d0\u14c7\u14a6\u1483 \u1403\u1483\u14ef\u1559\u1405\u1456\u1585, \u140b\u14bb, \u14ef\u1557\u14ea\u14d5\u1550\u14a5 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1405\u14c2\u1483\u1473\u1546\u140a\u1585\u1450\u1585\u1450\u1466 \u1450\u14d0\u1593\u14f1\u1483\u144e\u1583\u1455\u1405\u1559\u1483\u1472 \u1403\u14d5\u1455\u1546\u14ea\u14d7\u14ef \u1581\u1555\u140a\u14c7\u1585\u1433\u1585 \u140b, \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1405\u14c2\u1483\u1472\u1405\u144e\u148b\u152d\u14ef \u1431\u14bb\u14aa\u1546\u140a\u14d8\u14bb\u14aa\u1455, \u140b, \u1450\u146d\u14ef\u144e\u1455\u1405\u148b\u140a\u1583\u14ea\u14da\u1466\u1456\u154b\u1466\u1455\u1403\u14db\u1483, \u140b, \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u1455\u1403\u14aa\u14d0\u1593\u14c2\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u1450\u1593, \u140b, \u14c7\u1456\u14d0\u14f1\u1546\u140a\u14a5 \u1405\u1583\u14ea\u14da\u14f5\u1585\u1450\u1585, \u140b, \u140a\u158f\u1550\u154b\u1546\u152d\u1466\u144e\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2, \u140b, \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1451\u1583\u1466\u1455\u154b\u14aa, \u140b, \u1456\u14d0\u14c7 \u144e\u148d\u14a5\u140a\u158f\u14d0\u14c7\u1548\u14d0\u14c7\u1585\u1455\u154b, \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14aa\u152a\u1593, \u140b, \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u1403\u14d0\u14c7\u154b\u14aa \u1455\u1403\u14aa\u14d0\u1593\u14c2\u1483 \u1431\u148b\u140a\u14d5\u14f5\u1550\u14c2\u1550\u14a7\u1466 \u1581\u155d\u1559\u14ef\u14d0\u14c2\u14d5\u14bb\u14a7\u1466 12 \u140a\u14bb\u14aa\u14d7 \u14aa\u1550\u1548\u140a\u1585\u144e\u1585\u14f1\u1593 \u14ef\u14da\u1466\u1450\u1585\u14f4\u1550\u1555\u14d0\u14c4\u1466 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u158f\u14d0\u2212 \u14c7\u14da\u1405\u154b\u14aa \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1451\u154b\u1490\u14aa \u146f\u1466\u1455\u1593\u1583\u1466\u1455\u1585\u1450\u1593 \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1451\u154b\u1490\u14aa, \u140b, \u1403\u14db\u14d0\u14c2\u1483\u146f\u1466 \u1455\u14bb\u14aa\u1585\u1455\u1583\u1466\u1455\u1585\u1450\u1593 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14aa\u1466\u14ef\u140a\u1585\u1450\u1593. \u1403\u14da\u158f\u1466 \u140a\u14a5\u14f1\u140a\u14d7\u1403\u1466 \u1403\u14c4\u1403\u1466 \u1405\u1583\u1405\u14ef\u158f\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u154c\u14c2\u1483\u14ef\u14aa\u14d0\u158f\u1455\u1483\u1472 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14aa\u152a\u1593 \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2 \u1456\u14d0\u14c7 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1550\u14c2\u14d5\u2212 \u1546\u14c2\u1585 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14f4\u1548\u14aa\u14da\u1405\u1585\u1438\u154b, \u140b\u14bb, \u14aa\u1483\u146f\u1466\u1450\u1581\u144e\u1585\u1433\u1466 \u14ef\u1557\u14c2\u1483\u14f4\u1483\u1433\u1466 \u1405\u1559\u1466\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u140a\u1450\u1581\u14d0\u158f\u1466\u15a2\u148b\u1466, \u140b\u14bb, \u1456\u14d0\u14c7 \u1581\u1555\u140a\u148b\u152d\u154b\u14d7\u2212 \u140a\u154b, \u140b, \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u14c2\u1546\u152d\u154b \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2 \u14f4\u1483\u146f\u1466\u14ef\u148b\u140a\u1583\u14da\u1405\u154b\u14aa \u1403\u14d5\u1585\u146f\u14ef\u14d0\u14c2\u1483, \u14a5\u1585\u14f1\u1548\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u157f\u14ef\u14d5\u1546\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u140a\u14a5\u14d5\u1546\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u1581\u14ea\u14d5\u1550\u14a5\u14ea\u14d8\u14d0\u14c3\u1466 \u1403\u146f\u14bb\u14a5\u1546\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u154b\u152d\u14da\u1405\u1585\u2212 \u1455\u154b\u14d7\u140a\u1483\u1472 \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1450\u14ea\u14da\u1546\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u14da\u1405\u1548\u14aa \u1456\u14d0\u14c7, \u140b, \u140a\u1450\u1548\u14aa\u152d\u154b \u140a\u14ef\u153e\u1529\u1583\u1455\u1405\u1581\u1528\u148d\u14aa\u1490\u14aa \u14c4\u14c7\u1583\u1585\u1473\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u152a\u1585\u144e\u148d\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1546\u140a\u1585\u1438\u14ea\u14d5\u140a\u1438\u14ea\u14d5\u140a\u152a\u1466 \u14c4\u14c7\u1583\u1585\u1473\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u152b\u14c2\u1550\u14a5\u14c2\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1583\u1455\u1405\u14d7\u144e\u1483 \u140a\u14bb\u14aa\u1466\u1455\u1405\u1585 \u1472\u14c7\u1455\u14a5\u1405\u1455\u1405\u14c2\u1550\u14a5\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466\u1455\u1405\u1585 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1548\u14aa\u14bb\u14a5\u1483\u1438\u1455\u1466\u1455\u1405\u1585 \u1456\u1483\u14f1\u14a5\u1593 \u14c2\u1548\u140a\u152a\u14d0\u14c7...\u14c2\u1548\u140a\u1548\u14d0\u14c7\u1581\u14ea\u14d7\u148b\u1466. \u1405\u14c7 \u14ef\u1557\u14ea\u14d5\u1550\u14a5 \u140a\u1431\u2212 \u1546\u148d\u14aa\u1559\u154b \u1455\u14aa\u1550\u14a5\u1483 \u146d\u1405\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u1548\u144e\u1483, \u140b, \u1473\u14ef\u144e\u14d7 \u140a\u14bb\u14aa\u14d7 \u14c7\u1456\u14d0 \u1405\u14c7 \u1450\u1548\u1505\u1466 \u140a\u14d0 \u1546\u1472\u14d0\u14ef\u14d5\u1404\u14f4\u14d0, \u140b, \u1431\u1581\u1528\u1557\u1593\u1548\u144e\u158f\u1466 62\u14a5\u1483 65\u14a7\u1466 \u144e\u14d5\u1405\u1546\u1466\u14ef\u140a\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u1490\u14d7\u140a\u1550\u14aa\u1455 \u1490\u1559\u14aa\u14d5\u14ab\u1550\u14c4\u1466 \u1490\u1559\u14aa\u1450\u1583\u1483\u146f\u14d0\u14c4\u1466 \u140a\u1555\u1466\u1450\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u152a\u14c4\u14ea\u14d7 \u140a\u14ef\u158f\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u1583\u14c4\u1585 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1403\u1472\u2212 \u152a\u1585\u1439\u14ea\u14d5\u1548\u144e\u1405\u148d\u14d0\u14c7\u1550\u14aa\u1594\u1466\u1455 \u1583\u14c4\u1403\u14bb\u14aa\u1483\u146d\u140a\u1585 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1431\u14d0\u1591\u1585\u144e\u1455\u1405\u1559\u14ea\u14d5\u14d0\u158f\u14da\u1466 \u1583\u14c4\u1585 \u144e\u14d5\u1405\u1546\u14c7\u152d\u1585\u1431\u14ef \u1431\u14d0\u1591\u1585\u144e\u2212 \u1455\u1405\u1581\u14d7\u148b\u1466 62\u14a5\u1483 65\u14a7\u1466. \u1581\u152d\u14d0\u14c7\u14a6\u1483. \u14c2\u140a\u1546\u140a\u1585\u1438\u14ea\u14d5\u140a\u152a\u1466 </p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642485\">[<em>Inuktitut text interpreted as follows:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609751\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609752\" data-originallang=\"en\">Firstly, I wish to welcome the speakers here. I see you all, and I'm happy to see you. Your presentations are very helpful. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609753\" data-originallang=\"en\">We need to understand. I have been in education in English all my life. Natan said that in their own homes they speak Inuktitut. I can retain it if I speak it at home, but we also know that because I went to an English school all my life, up to grade 12 and twice in university, all that I learned was in English.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609754\" data-originallang=\"en\">When I speak my mother tongue, I am happy. Many people, many Inuit.... I know I am not a fluent Inuktitut speaker because it hasn't been taught. I want to know whether education will also think of our young people who will not grow up in the educational system like us. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609755\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am happy that I was able to be educated in English, but I had to leave my culture. I don't know how to sew traditional clothes. I do not know how to prepare sealskins or light a qulliq. I could have learned those life skills if I had learned my mother tongue. I want to learn them. I want to learn what I was supposed to learn in my mother tongue.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609756\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I encourage young people who are going to school now and who are working with indigenous people and other Canadians.... I would like to see that we have an option in Canada to learn two languages of our choice. Cassidy and Natan can respond. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609757\" data-originallang=\"en\">The truth and reconciliation recommendations from 62 to 65, encourage all governments\u2014federal, provincial, territorial and local governments\u2014on how they can be more supportive. Why is it that none of those recommendations are being implemented, especially those recommendations from 62 to 65?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609758\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you.</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642486\">[<em>English</em>]</p>",
"fr": "<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"7609750\">[<em>La d\u00e9put\u00e9e s'exprime en inuktitut ainsi qu'il suit:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8642484\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u1581\u152d\u14d0\u14c7\u14a6\u1483 \u1403\u1483\u14ef\u1559\u1405\u1456\u1585, \u140b\u14bb, \u14ef\u1557\u14ea\u14d5\u1550\u14a5 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1405\u14c2\u1483\u1473\u1546\u140a\u1585\u1450\u1585\u1450\u1466 \u1450\u14d0\u1593\u14f1\u1483\u144e\u1583\u1455\u1405\u1559\u1483\u1472 \u1403\u14d5\u1455\u1546\u14ea\u14d7\u14ef \u1581\u1555\u140a\u14c7\u1585\u1433\u1585 \u140b, \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1405\u14c2\u1483\u1472\u1405\u144e\u148b\u152d\u14ef \u1431\u14bb\u14aa\u1546\u140a\u14d8\u14bb\u14aa\u1455, \u140b, \u1450\u146d\u14ef\u144e\u1455\u1405\u148b\u140a\u1583\u14ea\u14da\u1466\u1456\u154b\u1466\u1455\u1403\u14db\u1483, \u140b, \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u1455\u1403\u14aa\u14d0\u1593\u14c2\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u1450\u1593, \u140b, \u14c7\u1456\u14d0\u14f1\u1546\u140a\u14a5 \u1405\u1583\u14ea\u14da\u14f5\u1585\u1450\u1585, \u140b, \u140a\u158f\u1550\u154b\u1546\u152d\u1466\u144e\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2, \u140b, \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1451\u1583\u1466\u1455\u154b\u14aa, \u140b, \u1456\u14d0\u14c7 \u144e\u148d\u14a5\u140a\u158f\u14d0\u14c7\u1548\u14d0\u14c7\u1585\u1455\u154b, \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14aa\u152a\u1593, \u140b, \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u1403\u14d0\u14c7\u154b\u14aa \u1455\u1403\u14aa\u14d0\u1593\u14c2\u1483 \u1431\u148b\u140a\u14d5\u14f5\u1550\u14c2\u1550\u14a7\u1466 \u1581\u155d\u1559\u14ef\u14d0\u14c2\u14d5\u14bb\u14a7\u1466 12 \u140a\u14bb\u14aa\u14d7 \u14aa\u1550\u1548\u140a\u1585\u144e\u1585\u14f1\u1593 \u14ef\u14da\u1466\u1450\u1585\u14f4\u1550\u1555\u14d0\u14c4\u1466 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u158f\u14d0\u2212 \u14c7\u14da\u1405\u154b\u14aa \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1451\u154b\u1490\u14aa \u146f\u1466\u1455\u1593\u1583\u1466\u1455\u1585\u1450\u1593 \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1451\u154b\u1490\u14aa, \u140b, \u1403\u14db\u14d0\u14c2\u1483\u146f\u1466 \u1455\u14bb\u14aa\u1585\u1455\u1583\u1466\u1455\u1585\u1450\u1593 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14aa\u1466\u14ef\u140a\u1585\u1450\u1593. \u1403\u14da\u158f\u1466 \u140a\u14a5\u14f1\u140a\u14d7\u1403\u1466 \u1403\u14c4\u1403\u1466 \u1405\u1583\u1405\u14ef\u158f\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u154c\u14c2\u1483\u14ef\u14aa\u14d0\u158f\u1455\u1483\u1472 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14aa\u152a\u1593 \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2 \u1456\u14d0\u14c7 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1550\u14c2\u14d5\u2212 \u1546\u14c2\u1585 \u1583\u1405\u1528\u14f4\u1548\u14aa\u14da\u1405\u1585\u1438\u154b, \u140b\u14bb, \u14aa\u1483\u146f\u1466\u1450\u1581\u144e\u1585\u1433\u1466 \u14ef\u1557\u14c2\u1483\u14f4\u1483\u1433\u1466 \u1405\u1559\u1466\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u140a\u1450\u1581\u14d0\u158f\u1466\u15a2\u148b\u1466, \u140b\u14bb, \u1456\u14d0\u14c7 \u1581\u1555\u140a\u148b\u152d\u154b\u14d7\u2212 \u140a\u154b, \u140b, \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u14c2\u1546\u152d\u154b \u146d\u14ef\u140a\u14c2 \u14f4\u1483\u146f\u1466\u14ef\u148b\u140a\u1583\u14da\u1405\u154b\u14aa \u1403\u14d5\u1585\u146f\u14ef\u14d0\u14c2\u1483, \u14a5\u1585\u14f1\u1548\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u157f\u14ef\u14d5\u1546\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u140a\u14a5\u14d5\u1546\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u1581\u14ea\u14d5\u1550\u14a5\u14ea\u14d8\u14d0\u14c3\u1466 \u1403\u146f\u14bb\u14a5\u1546\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u158f\u1466\u1450\u1593 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u154b\u152d\u14da\u1405\u1585\u2212 \u1455\u154b\u14d7\u140a\u1483\u1472 \u1403\u14c4\u1483\u1450\u14ea\u14da\u1546\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u14da\u1405\u1548\u14aa \u1456\u14d0\u14c7, \u140b, \u140a\u1450\u1548\u14aa\u152d\u154b \u140a\u14ef\u153e\u1529\u1583\u1455\u1405\u1581\u1528\u148d\u14aa\u1490\u14aa \u14c4\u14c7\u1583\u1585\u1473\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u152a\u1585\u144e\u148d\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1546\u140a\u1585\u1438\u14ea\u14d5\u140a\u1438\u14ea\u14d5\u140a\u152a\u1466 \u14c4\u14c7\u1583\u1585\u1473\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u152b\u14c2\u1550\u14a5\u14c2\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1583\u1455\u1405\u14d7\u144e\u1483 \u140a\u14bb\u14aa\u1466\u1455\u1405\u1585 \u1472\u14c7\u1455\u14a5\u1405\u1455\u1405\u14c2\u1550\u14a5\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u1583\u14ea\u14d7\u14c8\u144e\u1450\u1466\u1455\u1405\u1585 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1548\u14aa\u14bb\u14a5\u1483\u1438\u1455\u1466\u1455\u1405\u1585 \u1456\u1483\u14f1\u14a5\u1593 \u14c2\u1548\u140a\u152a\u14d0\u14c7...\u14c2\u1548\u140a\u1548\u14d0\u14c7\u1581\u14ea\u14d7\u148b\u1466. \u1405\u14c7 \u14ef\u1557\u14ea\u14d5\u1550\u14a5 \u140a\u1431\u2212 \u1546\u148d\u14aa\u1559\u154b \u1455\u14aa\u1550\u14a5\u1483 \u146d\u1405\u152a\u14d0\u14c7\u1548\u144e\u1483, \u140b, \u1473\u14ef\u144e\u14d7 \u140a\u14bb\u14aa\u14d7 \u14c7\u1456\u14d0 \u1405\u14c7 \u1450\u1548\u1505\u1466 \u140a\u14d0 \u1546\u1472\u14d0\u14ef\u14d5\u1404\u14f4\u14d0, \u140b, \u1431\u1581\u1528\u1557\u1593\u1548\u144e\u158f\u1466 62\u14a5\u1483 65\u14a7\u1466 \u144e\u14d5\u1405\u1546\u1466\u14ef\u140a\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u1490\u14d7\u140a\u1550\u14aa\u1455 \u1490\u1559\u14aa\u14d5\u14ab\u1550\u14c4\u1466 \u1490\u1559\u14aa\u1450\u1583\u1483\u146f\u14d0\u14c4\u1466 \u140a\u1555\u1466\u1450\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u152a\u14c4\u14ea\u14d7 \u140a\u14ef\u158f\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u1583\u14c4\u1585 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1403\u1472\u2212 \u152a\u1585\u1439\u14ea\u14d5\u1548\u144e\u1405\u148d\u14d0\u14c7\u1550\u14aa\u1594\u1466\u1455 \u1583\u14c4\u1403\u14bb\u14aa\u1483\u146d\u140a\u1585 \u1456\u1483\u146f\u140a \u1431\u14d0\u1591\u1585\u144e\u1455\u1405\u1559\u14ea\u14d5\u14d0\u158f\u14da\u1466 \u1583\u14c4\u1585 \u144e\u14d5\u1405\u1546\u14c7\u152d\u1585\u1431\u14ef \u1431\u14d0\u1591\u1585\u144e\u2212 \u1455\u1405\u1581\u14d7\u148b\u1466 62\u14a5\u1483 65\u14a7\u1466. \u1581\u152d\u14d0\u14c7\u14a6\u1483. \u14c2\u140a\u1546\u140a\u1585\u1438\u14ea\u14d5\u140a\u152a\u1466 </p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642485\">[<em>Les propos en inuktitut sont interpr\u00e9t\u00e9s en anglais puis traduits ainsi:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609751\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609752\" data-originallang=\"en\">Tout d'abord, je souhaite la bienvenue aux intervenants ici pr\u00e9sents. Je vous vois tous, et je suis heureuse de vous voir. Vos expos\u00e9s nous sont tr\u00e8s utiles. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609753\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous devons comprendre. J'ai re\u00e7u une \u00e9ducation en anglais tout au long de ma vie. M. Obed a dit que chez eux, ils parlent l'inuktitut. Je peux conserver ma langue si je la parle \u00e0 la maison, mais nous savons aussi que parce que j'ai fr\u00e9quent\u00e9 une \u00e9cole anglaise toute ma vie, jusqu'\u00e0 la 12<sup>e</sup> ann\u00e9e et que j'ai fait deux fois des \u00e9tudes universitaires en anglais, tout ce que j'ai appris \u00e9tait en anglais.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609754\" data-originallang=\"en\">Lorsque je parle ma langue maternelle, je suis heureuse. Beaucoup de gens, beaucoup d'Inuits... Je sais que je ne parle pas couramment l'inuktitut parce qu'il ne m'a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 enseign\u00e9. Je veux savoir si l'enseignement tiendra \u00e9galement compte de nos jeunes qui ne grandiront pas comme nous dans le syst\u00e8me \u00e9ducatif. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609755\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis heureuse d'avoir pu recevoir une \u00e9ducation en anglais, mais j'ai d\u00fb quitter ma culture. Je ne sais pas comment coudre les v\u00eatements traditionnels. Je ne sais pas comment pr\u00e9parer les peaux de phoque ou allumer un <em>qulliq</em>. J'aurais pu acqu\u00e9rir ces connaissances pratiques si j'avais appris ma langue maternelle. Je veux les apprendre. Je veux apprendre ce que je devais apprendre dans ma langue maternelle.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609756\" data-originallang=\"en\"> J'encourage les jeunes qui vont \u00e0 l'\u00e9cole aujourd'hui et qui travaillent avec les autochtones et les autres Canadiens... J'aimerais qu'au Canada, nous ayons la possibilit\u00e9 d'apprendre deux langues de notre choix. Mme Caron et M. Obed pourront r\u00e9pondre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609757\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les recommandations 62 \u00e0 65 de la Commission de v\u00e9rit\u00e9 et r\u00e9conciliation encouragent tous les gouvernements \u2014 f\u00e9d\u00e9ral, provinciaux, territoriaux et locaux \u2014 \u00e0 se montrer plus coop\u00e9ratifs. Comment se fait\u2011il qu'aucune de ces recommandations ne soit mise en \u0153uvre, en particulier les recommandations 62 \u00e0 65?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609758\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642486\">[<em>Traduction</em>]</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:10:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609759\" data-originallang=\"en\">Should we start with Ms. Caron, and then go to Mr. Obed?</p>",
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:10:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609760\" data-originallang=\"en\">Sure. Thank you.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609761\" data-originallang=\"en\">It's great to see you, Lori.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609762\" data-originallang=\"en\">I know many of the truth and reconciliation calls to action, but I don't know the specific numbers around them.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609763\" data-originallang=\"en\">Lori, are those specifically around education?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609760\" data-originallang=\"en\">D'accord. Merci.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609761\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ravie de vous voir, madame Idlout.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609762\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je connais un grand nombre des appels \u00e0 l'action de la Commission de v\u00e9rit\u00e9 et r\u00e9conciliation, mais je ne connais pas leurs num\u00e9ros.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609763\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame Idlout, les recommandations dont vous parlez ont\u2011elles trait \u00e0 l'\u00e9ducation?</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:10:00",
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"en": "Ms. Lori Idlout",
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"en": "<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"7609764\">[<em>Member spoke in Inuktitut as follows:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8642487\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u1404 \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1550\u14c2\u14d5\u1546\u14c2\u1405\u1449, \u140b, \u1431\u14bb\u14aa\u1546\u1405\u14c2\u154b\u1550\u14c2\u154b\u1403\u152a\u1466 \u1403\u14d7\u14d5\u1583\u1583\u1455\u1405\u1581\u152d\u1405\u14d7\u144e\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1550\u1555\u14d0\u14c2 \u14c4\u14c7\u1583\u1585\u1473\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u2212 \u152a\u1403\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u1585\u146f\u14ef\u1550\u14a5\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u1405\u1583\u1405\u14ef\u1550\u14a5\u14d0\u14c2\u14ea\u14d7 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u144e\u1455\u1405\u1583\u1466\u1455\u1581\u152d\u1405\u14ea\u14d7\u144e\u1483 \u146e\u14c7\u1405\u152d\u1583\u1585\u144e\u1581\u152d\u1405\u14ea\u14d7\u144e\u14a1\u14d7. </p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642488\">[<em>Inuktitut text interpreted as follows:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609765\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yes, they're regarding education. These are recommendations to improve education for indigenous people to learn their culture and their language. Funding should be a resource to make it happen. </p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642489\">[<em>English</em>]</p>",
"fr": "<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"7609764\">[<em>La d\u00e9put\u00e9e s'exprime en inuktitut ainsi qu'il suit:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8642487\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u1404 \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1550\u14c2\u14d5\u1546\u14c2\u1405\u1449, \u140b, \u1431\u14bb\u14aa\u1546\u1405\u14c2\u154b\u1550\u14c2\u154b\u1403\u152a\u1466 \u1403\u14d7\u14d5\u1583\u1583\u1455\u1405\u1581\u152d\u1405\u14d7\u144e\u1483 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1550\u1555\u14d0\u14c2 \u14c4\u14c7\u1583\u1585\u1473\u1585\u14ef\u14aa\u2212 \u152a\u1403\u1466, \u140b, \u1403\u14d5\u1585\u146f\u14ef\u1550\u14a5\u14d0\u14c2\u1483 \u1405\u1583\u1405\u14ef\u1550\u14a5\u14d0\u14c2\u14ea\u14d7 \u1403\u14d5\u14d0\u14c2\u140a\u1585\u144e\u1455\u1405\u1583\u1466\u1455\u1581\u152d\u1405\u14ea\u14d7\u144e\u1483 \u146e\u14c7\u1405\u152d\u1583\u1585\u144e\u1581\u152d\u1405\u14ea\u14d7\u144e\u14a1\u14d7. </p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642488\">[<em>Les propos en inuktitut sont interpr\u00e9t\u00e9s en anglais puis traduits ainsi:</em>]</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609765\" data-originallang=\"en\">Oui, elles ont trait \u00e0 l'\u00e9ducation. Elles visent \u00e0 am\u00e9liorer l'\u00e9ducation des Autochtones pour qu'ils puissent apprendre leur culture et leur langue. Le financement devrait constituer une ressource pour atteindre ce but.</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8642489\">[<em>Traduction</em>]</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609766\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609767\" data-originallang=\"en\">I can only imagine that the challenges once again come down to whose jurisdiction is implementing these recommendations\u2014if it is on the provincial government to implement these within their educational systems, or if it is upon the federal government to implement the Truth and Reconciliation Commission calls to action.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609768\" data-originallang=\"en\">Once again, we aren't seeing throughout the M\u00e9tis nation the implementation of M\u00e9tis-specific programs within the education system. There's just simply no uptake outside of our own educational authorities or, as I said, in the early learning and child care programs that our M\u00e9tis governments are delivering on their own. We struggle to have that recognition within the provincial governments right now, and we will continue to see that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609769\" data-originallang=\"en\"> That pan-indigenous approach to this, though, just does not work for our children. It is teaching M\u00e9tis students different ways of knowing that aren't coming from our own communities. I think I'll leave it at that. It's that jurisdictional challenge that we continue to face.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609770\" data-originallang=\"en\"> However, in our M\u00e9tis governments, we have the ability to develop these programs and these services for our children. While we don't have the ability to learn the Michif language in the provincial education system, our M\u00e9tis governments have the resources to be able to do that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609771\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Lori, as you said, you didn't have an education in your own language, but you could go home and you could speak it there. Our focus is on these early learning and child care centres, where these young people are learning their language at a really young age and then giving the parents the resources to continue that at home, because we do know that this gap is going to exist once they enter kindergarten and on into the ongoing years.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609772\" data-originallang=\"en\">Again, on the resources, to be able to do that from our M\u00e9tis governments and to be able to deliver it into our families is our best bet right now to do this in a good way.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609766\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609767\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'imagine que la difficult\u00e9 est une fois de plus de d\u00e9terminer \u00e0 qui revient la responsabilit\u00e9 de la mise en \u0153uvre de ces recommandations. Le gouvernement provincial doit\u2011il mettre en \u0153uvre les appels \u00e0 l'action de la Commission de v\u00e9rit\u00e9 et r\u00e9conciliation dans le cadre de ses syst\u00e8mes \u00e9ducatifs, ou cette t\u00e2che revient-elle au gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609768\" data-originallang=\"en\">Encore une fois, aucun programme adapt\u00e9 aux M\u00e9tis n'a \u00e9t\u00e9 mis en \u0153uvre au sein du syst\u00e8me d'\u00e9ducation dans toute la nation m\u00e9tisse. Il n'y a tout simplement pas d'adh\u00e9sion en\u2011dehors de nos propres autorit\u00e9s scolaires ou, comme je l'ai dit, dans les programmes d'apprentissage et de garde des jeunes enfants que nos gouvernements m\u00e9tis offrent eux\u2011m\u00eames. Nous avons du mal \u00e0 obtenir cette reconnaissance au sein des gouvernements provinciaux \u00e0 l'heure actuelle, et nous continuerons de le constater.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609769\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cette approche panautochtone, cependant, ne fonctionne tout simplement pas pour nos enfants. Elle enseigne aux \u00e9l\u00e8ves m\u00e9tis des fa\u00e7ons d'apprendre diff\u00e9rentes qui ne proviennent pas de nos propres communaut\u00e9s. Je crois que je vais m'arr\u00eater l\u00e0. C'est ce probl\u00e8me de comp\u00e9tence auquel nous sommes toujours confront\u00e9s.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609770\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cependant, au sein de nos gouvernements m\u00e9tis, nous avons la capacit\u00e9 de d\u00e9velopper ces programmes et ces services pour nos enfants. Bien que le syst\u00e8me d'\u00e9ducation provincial ne nous offre pas la possibilit\u00e9 d'apprendre la langue michif, nos gouvernements m\u00e9tis ont les ressources n\u00e9cessaires pour le faire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609771\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame Idlout, comme vous l'avez dit, vous n'avez pas re\u00e7u d'\u00e9ducation dans votre langue, mais vous pouviez rentrer chez vous et la parler. Nous nous concentrons sur ces centres d'apprentissage et de garde des jeunes enfants, o\u00f9 ces derniers apprennent leur langue \u00e0 un tr\u00e8s jeune \u00e2ge, puis nous donnons aux parents les ressources n\u00e9cessaires pour poursuivre cet apprentissage \u00e0 la maison, car nous savons que ce foss\u00e9 existera une fois qu'ils entreront \u00e0 la maternelle et pendant les ann\u00e9es qui suivront.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609772\" data-originallang=\"en\">Encore une fois, pour ce qui est des ressources, le fait que nos gouvernements m\u00e9tis soient en mesure d'offrir ces ressources \u00e0 nos familles est notre meilleur atout dont nous disposons \u00e0 l'heure actuelle pour bien faire les choses.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:10:00",
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"en": "Mr. Natan Obed",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609773\" data-originallang=\"en\">Specifically in relation to the calls to action, there are a number of things that we had hoped to do with Canadian educators and in Canadian educational systems to ensure that there was a distinctions-based approach to the way in which curricula are developed. Unfortunately, jurisdictions aren't very good at going to rights holders all the time. Often, if there's an individual whom they know, perhaps, and who then will happily take that space, curricula are developed with an individual perspective about our peoples, rather than an official perspective from representatives of first nations, Inuit and M\u00e9tis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609774\" data-originallang=\"en\">That is not necessarily about children growing up in our communities, but it is about the way Canadians perceive the residential school experience and also the way in which Canadians understand Inuit, first nations and M\u00e9tis realities.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609775\" data-originallang=\"en\"> When it comes to the funding of an education system and specifically to provide more funding and to be more open to increasing educational outcomes and attainments, we still are in that phase of building towards investments and ambitions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609776\" data-originallang=\"en\">Again, I'll go back to our educational attainment rights. We are over 50% lower in graduating our young students from grade 12 than other Canadians. It is unacceptable, and we need to figure out how to solve this. Yes, this committee conversation is great, but certainly it is a crisis within this country, and there are very strong pedagogical ways in which we can improve existing systems that categorically would give our students a better chance to succeed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609777\" data-originallang=\"en\"> There aren't these mystical problems that we have no solutions for. Give students food to eat. Give them the courses they need to graduate. Allow for culture and language within the curriculum and celebrate that. Allow for that to be the foundation under which they can go out into the rest of the country and pursue further educational attainment. Provide the educational program in our mother tongue. It's not hard, but somehow we've made it impossible.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609773\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui concerne les appels \u00e0 l'action, nous esp\u00e9rions accomplir un certain nombre de choses avec les \u00e9ducateurs et les syst\u00e8mes d'\u00e9ducation canadiens pour que les programmes d'enseignement soient \u00e9labor\u00e9s en tenant compte des distinctions. Malheureusement, les instances comp\u00e9tentes ne s'adressent pas toujours aux d\u00e9tenteurs de droits. Souvent, si elles connaissent quelqu'un qui se fera un plaisir de s'occuper de cette t\u00e2che, les programmes sont \u00e9labor\u00e9s d'apr\u00e8s un point de vue personnel \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard de nos peuples plut\u00f4t que du point de vue officiel des repr\u00e9sentants des Premi\u00e8res Nations, des Inuits et de M\u00e9tis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609774\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le probl\u00e8me, ce n'est pas n\u00e9cessairement que les enfants grandissent dans nos communaut\u00e9s; c'est la mani\u00e8re dont les Canadiens per\u00e7oivent la vie en pensionnat et comprennent les r\u00e9alit\u00e9s des Inuits, des Premi\u00e8res Nations et des M\u00e9tis. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609775\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour ce qui est du financement d'un syst\u00e8me d'\u00e9ducation, quand il s'agit notamment de fournir plus de financement et d'\u00eatre plus ouvert \u00e0 l'id\u00e9e d'am\u00e9liorer les r\u00e9sultats et les r\u00e9ussites scolaires, nous sommes encore en train d'\u00e9tablir des plans concernant les investissements et les ambitions. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609776\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une fois encore, je reviendrai \u00e0 nos droits \u00e0 la r\u00e9ussite scolaire. Le taux de diplomation de nos jeunes de 12<sup>e</sup> ann\u00e9e est plus de 50 % inf\u00e9rieur \u00e0 celui des autres Canadiens. C'est inacceptable, et nous devons trouver un moyen de corriger la situation. Oui, les conversations du Comit\u00e9 sont excellentes, mais il y a certainement une crise au pays, et il existe de tr\u00e8s solides m\u00e9thodes p\u00e9dagogiques qui nous permettraient d'am\u00e9liorer les syst\u00e8mes actuels et qui conf\u00e9reraient indubitablement une meilleure chance de succ\u00e8s \u00e0 nos \u00e9tudiants. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609777\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce ne sont pas des probl\u00e8mes mystiques pour lesquels il n'existe pas de solution. Donnez aux \u00e9l\u00e8ves de la nourriture \u00e0 manger. Offrez-leur les cours dont ils ont besoin pour obtenir un dipl\u00f4me. Int\u00e9grez la culture et la langue aux programmes d'\u00e9ducation et c\u00e9l\u00e9brez-les. Faites en sorte que cette culture et cette langue soient les fondations gr\u00e2ce auxquelles les \u00e9l\u00e8ves peuvent poursuivre leurs \u00e9tudes ailleurs au pays. Offrez le programme d'\u00e9ducation dans notre langue maternelle. Ce n'est pas difficile, mais pour une raison quelconque, nous avons fait en sorte que ce soit impossible. </p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:15:00",
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"en": "The Chair",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609778\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you, Ms. Idlout.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609779\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have about 10 minutes left, so I'm going to suggest three minutes, three minutes, two minutes and two minutes for the first four.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609780\" data-originallang=\"en\">We'll start with Mr. Melillo for three minutes.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609778\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous remercie, madame Idlout.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609779\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il nous reste une dizaine de minutes. Je propose donc que les quatre premiers intervenants fassent des interventions de trois minutes, trois minutes, deux minutes et deux minutes respectivement. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609780\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous commencerons par M. Melillo, qui dispose de trois minutes.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:15:00",
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"en": "Mr. Eric Melillo (Kenora, CPC)",
"fr": "M. Eric Melillo (Kenora, PCC)"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609781\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609782\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you to my fellow committee members and of course to our witnesses, whom we know very well. I really appreciate the conversation we've had today, and you've given us a lot to think about already. I really appreciate it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609783\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'll start with President Caron, but President Obed, if you want to jump in at any point, please do.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609784\" data-originallang=\"en\">I really appreciate, President, that you talked about the barriers that exist, the low graduation rates, the lower scores for M\u00e9tis students, but you also spoke about the need for a broader structure to particularly support some more culturally appropriate education. That really struck home for me.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609785\" data-originallang=\"en\">I represent northwestern Ontario, part of the M\u00e9tis homeland, and also 42 first nations across three treaty territories. I think a lot of people in my region, when they talk about indigenous education, they think about education on reserve, and that's it. Obviously, education on reserve is very important, but I would agree with you that there is a need for greater support in the provincial and the public systems, as you mentioned. We've started to see that in my riding as well, where Ojibwa is now being taught as a second language, for example. That is something that is relatively new that started when I was still in school.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609786\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'm going to stop there because I'm going to eat up all of my time, but I want to hear from you, President Caron. Could you speak more specifically on some of the cultural aspects that you feel should be included that will make a difference for M\u00e9tis people in order to advance that education in the public school system?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609781\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous remercie, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609782\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je remercie les autres membres du Comit\u00e9 et, bien entendu, nos t\u00e9moins, que nous connaissons tr\u00e8s bien. J'aime beaucoup nos \u00e9changes d'aujourd'hui, et vous nous avez d\u00e9j\u00e0 donn\u00e9 amplement de quoi r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir. Je vous en suis tr\u00e8s reconnaissant.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609783\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je m'adresserai d'abord \u00e0 Mme Caron, mais si vous voulez intervenir \u00e0 un moment donn\u00e9, monsieur Obed, vous \u00eates libre de le faire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609784\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous remercie, madame la pr\u00e9sidente, d'avoir parl\u00e9 des obstacles qui existent, des faibles taux de diplomation et des notes inf\u00e9rieures des \u00e9l\u00e8ves m\u00e9tis, mais vous avez \u00e9galement soulign\u00e9 le besoin d'instaurer une structure plus vaste afin de soutenir une \u00e9ducation mieux adapt\u00e9e \u00e0 la culture. Cet argument est vraiment venu me chercher. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609785\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je repr\u00e9sente le Nord-Ouest de l'Ontario, une partie du territoire traditionnel des M\u00e9tis et 42 nations vivant dans trois territoires vis\u00e9s par des trait\u00e9s. Je pense que quand on parle de l'\u00e9ducation des Autochtones, un grand nombre de gens pensent \u00e0 l'\u00e9ducation sur les r\u00e9serves, et c'est tout. L'\u00e9ducation sur les r\u00e9serves est \u00e9videmment tr\u00e8s importante, mais je conviens avec vous qu'il faut offrir plus de soutien dans les syst\u00e8mes d'\u00e9ducation provinciaux et publics, comme vous l'avez fait remarquer. Nous avons commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 observer des progr\u00e8s en ce sens dans ma circonscription, o\u00f9 on enseigne l'ojibw\u00e9 langue seconde, par exemple. C'est une initiative relativement nouvelle qui a d\u00e9but\u00e9 quand j'\u00e9tais encore aux \u00e9tudes. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609786\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je m'arr\u00eaterai ici, car je vais utiliser tout mon temps et je veux vous entendre, madame Caron. Pourriez-vous traiter plus pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment de certains des aspects culturels qui, \u00e0 votre avis,devraient \u00eatre inclus pour aider les M\u00e9tis afin de favoriser leur avancement dans le r\u00e9seau d'\u00e9coles publiques? </p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:15:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Cassidy Caron",
"fr": "Mme Cassidy Caron"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609787\" data-originallang=\"en\">Honestly, it's as simple as the recognition that there are three distinct indigenous peoples in this country. There are still a lot of M\u00e9tis students whose parents don't identify them in these systems because then they will be taught somebody else's culture.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609788\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The ability for educators to know that there are three distinct indigenous peoples and that we have our own cultures, languages, histories and stories.... That recognition matters. It starts as simply as that. Then to be able to have educators understand that there are unique resources for M\u00e9tis students, that there are Michif resources for the language of the M\u00e9tis people.... It's not the only language. M\u00e9tis people speak Cree, Dene and many different dialects of the Michif language. To know the stories of the M\u00e9tis nation, where we come from, who we are, why we are so proud to be who we are\u2014those things matter.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609789\" data-originallang=\"en\">It's fantastic to be able to learn about other people's cultures, of course, and that's really important, especially if you are in a neighbouring first nations community and your colleagues and classmates are coming from different cultures. It's important to learn about that, but it's also important for that M\u00e9tis student to also feel like they are being honoured, that they can be proud of who they are and that they can be proud to teach their classmates about who they are. When their teacher knows who they are and where they come from and the language that they speak, those things are just so important.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609790\" data-originallang=\"en\">That distinctions-based recognition seems so simple, but it's just not there.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609787\" data-originallang=\"en\">Honn\u00eatement, c'est aussi simple que d'admettre qu'il existe trois peuples autochtones distincts au pays. Il y a encore de nombreux \u00e9l\u00e8ves m\u00e9tis que les parents n'identifient pas dans les syst\u00e8mes parce qu'on leur inculquait la culture de quelqu'un d'autre. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609788\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le fait que les \u00e9ducateurs puissent savoir qu'il existe trois peuples autochtones distincts qui ont des cultures, des langues et des histoires qui leur sont propres... C'est important d'en tenir compte. Cela commence aussi simplement que cela. Il faut ensuite que les \u00e9ducateurs comprennent qu'il existe des ressources uniques pour les \u00e9l\u00e8ves m\u00e9tis et des ressources en michif pour la langue des M\u00e9tis. Ce n'est pas la seule langue. Les M\u00e9tis parlent le cri, le d\u00e9n\u00e9 et de nombreux dialectes de la langue michif. Il importe de conna\u00eetre les histoires de la nation m\u00e9tisse, d'o\u00f9 nous venons, qui nous sommes et pourquoi nous sommes si fiers de ce que nous sommes. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609789\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est formidable de pouvoir s'informer sur la culture d'autres peuples, bien entendu, et c'est tr\u00e8s important, particuli\u00e8rement quand on vit \u00e0 proximit\u00e9 d'une communaut\u00e9 des Premi\u00e8res Nations et que vos coll\u00e8gues et vos camarades de classe sont issus de cultures diff\u00e9rentes. C'est important d'en apprendre sur ces cultures, mais il importe \u00e9galement que les \u00e9l\u00e8vent m\u00e9tis sentent qu'ils sont honor\u00e9s et qu'ils peuvent \u00eatre fiers d'\u00eatre ce qu'ils sont afin d'enseigner ce qu'ils sont \u00e0 leurs camarades de classe. Il est extr\u00eamement important que leur professeur sache qui ils sont, d'o\u00f9 ils viennent et quelle langue ils parlent. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609790\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cette reconnaissance des distinctions semble tr\u00e8s simple, mais n'existe pas.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Eric Melillo",
"fr": "M. Eric Melillo"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609791\" data-originallang=\"en\">I appreciate it.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609791\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous remercie.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:20:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609792\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Melillo.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609793\" data-originallang=\"en\">Now we'll go to Mr. McLeod. Mr. McLeod, you will have three minutes.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609792\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur Melillo.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609793\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous accordons maintenant la parole \u00e0 M. McLeod. Monsieur McLeod, vous disposez de trois minutes.</p>"
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"time": "2023-02-15 18:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Michael McLeod (Northwest Territories, Lib.)",
"fr": "M. Michael McLeod (Territoires du Nord-Ouest, Lib.)"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609794\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you to the presenters.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609795\" data-originallang=\"en\">Education is a big part of our discussions whenever we talk about self-determination and self-governance. Many of our nations here in the north have focused a lot on post-secondary investment so that they can provide some support, whether it's tutors or just being able to adjust to living in the south.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609796\" data-originallang=\"en\">The results that we're hearing, or the feedback that we're getting, is that this isn't good enough in terms of providing support for people to just get to that point. We need to look at complete wraparound support, right from the time a girl is going to have a baby, especially if there's no family around\u2014no grandmother or somebody to advise her on making healthy choices. We could have babies who are born without being affected by FAS, FAE or other issues, because there's no program that can fix that. Education starts very early, right from the time the mother is expecting a child.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609797\" data-originallang=\"en\">Can both of you tell me a little bit of how you see that as we talk about education in terms of having good outcomes?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7609794\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous remercie, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident. Je remercie \u00e9galement nos t\u00e9moins. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609795\" data-originallang=\"en\">L'\u00e9ducation occupe une grande place dans nos d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations quand nous parlons de l'autod\u00e9termination et de l'autonomie gouvernementale. De nombreuses nations du Nord ont beaucoup mis l'accent sur les investissements dans l'\u00e9ducation postsecondaire afin d'offrir du soutien, qu'il s'agisse de b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier de tuteurs ou simplement de pouvoir s'adapter \u00e0 la vie dans le Sud. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609796\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous entendons toutefois dire que cela ne suffit pas quand on offre du soutien pour se rendre jusque\u2011l\u00e0. Il faut assurer un soutien global, d\u00e8s qu'une fille est enceinte, surtout si elle n'a pas de famille pour l'entourer, comme une grand-m\u00e8re ou quelqu'un qui peut la conseiller pour qu'elle fasse des choix bons pour la sant\u00e9. Ainsi, des b\u00e9b\u00e9s pourraient na\u00eetre sans souffrir du trouble du spectre de l'alcoolisation f\u0153tale ou d'autres probl\u00e8mes, car aucun programme ne peut r\u00e9soudre ces probl\u00e8mes. L'\u00e9ducation commence tr\u00e8s t\u00f4t, d\u00e8s que la m\u00e8re est enceinte. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7609797\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pouvez-vous tous les deux m'expliquer bri\u00e8vement comment vous pensez que nous pouvons parler d'\u00e9ducation afin d'obtenir de bons r\u00e9sultats? </p>"
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