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"time": "2024-01-29 15:30:00",
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"en": "The Chair (Mr. Robert Morrissey (Egmont, Lib.))",
"fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident (M. Robert Morrissey (Egmont, Lib.))"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172893\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Committee members, departmental officials, I call this meeting to order. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172894\" data-originallang=\"en\">Welcome to meeting 96 of the House of Commons Standing Committee on Human Resources, Skills and Social Development and the Status of Persons with Disabilities.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172895\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Today\u2019s meeting is taking place in a hybrid format, pursuant to the Standing Orders. Members may attend in person or remotely by using the Zoom application. Today everybody is attending in person.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172896\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would like to make a few comments for the benefit of all participants. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172897\" data-originallang=\"en\">Please wait until I recognize you by name before speaking. For interpretation, those in the room will use the earpiece that you have and select the official language of your choice. Interpretation services will be provided. You have the option of speaking in the official language of your choice. If there is a problem with interpretation or translation, please get my attention by raising your hand. We'll suspend while the issue is being clarified. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172898\" data-originallang=\"en\">For the benefit and protection of the translators, I advise you to please keep your earpiece away from the microphone and to make sure the \u201cvibrate\u201d function on your telephone is not on while it is close to the mic because it will cause an issue with the translation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172899\" data-originallang=\"en\">Again, I remind you to direct all comments through me, the chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172900\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pursuant to the order of reference of Wednesday, September 20, 2023, the committee will begin the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C-318</a>, an act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code relative to adoptive and intended parents.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172901\" data-originallang=\"en\">I will provide members of the committee with some instructions and a few comments on how the committee will proceed with the clause-by-clause consideration of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C-318</a>. As the name indicates, this is an examination of all the clauses in the order in which they appear in the bill. I will call each clause successively, and each clause is subject to debate and a vote.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172902\" data-originallang=\"en\">If there are amendments to the clause in question, I will recognize the member proposing it, who may explain it. The amendment will then be open for debate. When no further members wish to intervene, the amendment will be voted on. Amendments will be considered in the order in which they appear in the bill and in the package each member received from the clerk. Members should note that amendments must be submitted in writing to the clerk of the committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172903\" data-originallang=\"en\">The chair will go slowly to allow all members to follow the proceedings properly.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172904\" data-originallang=\"en\">Amendments have been given an alphanumeric number in the top right corner to indicate which party submitted them. There is no need for a seconder to move an amendment. Once an amendment has been moved, you will need unanimous consent to withdraw it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172905\" data-originallang=\"en\">During debate on an amendment, members are permitted to move subamendments. These subamendments must be submitted in writing. They do not require the approval of the mover of the amendment. Only one subamendment may be considered at a time, and that subamendment cannot be amended. When a subamendment is moved to an amendment, it is voted on first. Then another subamendment may be moved or the committee may consider the main amendment and vote on it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172906\" data-originallang=\"en\">Once every clause has been voted on, the committee will consider and vote on the preamble, the short title, the title and the bill itself. If amendments are adopted, an order to reprint the bill may be required so that the House has a proper copy for use at report stage. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172907\" data-originallang=\"en\">Finally, the committee will have to order the chair to report the bill to the House. That report contains only the text of adopted amendments as well as an indication of deleted clauses. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172908\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have appearing with us this afternoon witnesses from the Department of Employment and Social Development. We have Madame Nandy, director general, employment insurance policy, skills and employment branch; Madame Field, executive director, employment insurance benefits processing; Soojin Yu, director, special benefits; Magalie Brochu, manager, special benefits; and Neil Burron, manager, strategic policy and legislative reform. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172909\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Pursuant to Standing Order 75(1), consideration of of the preamble is postponed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172910\" data-originallang=\"en\">I, the chair, call clause 1.</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8172911\">(On clause 1)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172912\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Ms. Gazan, go ahead.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172893\" data-originallang=\"en\">Chers coll\u00e8gues, mesdames et messieurs les fonctionnaires, je d\u00e9clare la s\u00e9ance ouverte.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172894\" data-originallang=\"en\">Bienvenue \u00e0 la 96<sup> e</sup> r\u00e9union du Comit\u00e9 permanent des ressources humaines, du d\u00e9veloppement des comp\u00e9tences, du d\u00e9veloppement social et de la condition des personnes handicap\u00e9es de la Chambre des communes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172895\" data-originallang=\"en\">Conform\u00e9ment au R\u00e8glement, la r\u00e9union se d\u00e9roule sous forme hybride. Les membres peuvent y participer en personne ou \u00e0 distance au moyen de l'application Zoom. Aujourd'hui, tout le monde est pr\u00e9sent en personne.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172896\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais faire quelques observations \u00e0 l'intention de tous les participants.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172897\" data-originallang=\"en\">Veuillez attendre que je vous nomme avant de prendre la parole. Des services d'interpr\u00e9tation sont offerts. Les personnes pr\u00e9sentes dans la salle peuvent utiliser l'\u00e9couteur \u00e0 leur disposition en s\u00e9lectionnant la langue officielle de leur choix. Vous pouvez vous exprimer dans la langue officielle de votre choix. S'il y a un probl\u00e8me avec l'interpr\u00e9tation, veuillez attirer mon attention en levant la main. Nous allons suspendre la s\u00e9ance le temps de faire le n\u00e9cessaire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172898\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour le b\u00e9n\u00e9fice et la protection des interpr\u00e8tes, je vous demande de garder votre \u00e9couteur loin du microphone et de vous assurer que la fonction \u00ab vibration \u00bb de votre t\u00e9l\u00e9phone n'est pas activ\u00e9e lorsqu'il est pr\u00e8s du micro, car cela causera un probl\u00e8me pour nos interpr\u00e8tes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172899\" data-originallang=\"en\">Encore une fois, je vous rappelle d'adresser toutes vos observations \u00e0 la pr\u00e9sidence.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172900\" data-originallang=\"en\">Conform\u00e9ment \u00e0 l'ordre de renvoi du mercredi 20 septembre 2023, le Comit\u00e9 entreprend l'\u00e9tude article par article du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C\u2011318</a>, Loi modifiant la Loi sur l'assurance-emploi et le Code canadien du travail (parents adoptifs et parents d'intention).</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172901\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voici maintenant quelques indications sur la fa\u00e7on dont le Comit\u00e9 proc\u00e9dera \u00e0 l'\u00e9tude article par article du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C\u2011318</a>. Comme son nom l'indique, il s'agit d'un examen de tous les articles dans l'ordre o\u00f9 ils apparaissent dans le projet de loi. Je vais mettre en d\u00e9lib\u00e9ration chaque article, un par un; chacun pouvant faire l'objet d'un d\u00e9bat avant d'\u00eatre mis aux voix.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172902\" data-originallang=\"en\">S'il y a un amendement \u00e0 un article, je vais donner la parole au d\u00e9put\u00e9 qui le propose afin qu'il puisse l'expliquer. L'amendement fera ensuite l'objet d'un d\u00e9bat. Lorsque plus aucun d\u00e9put\u00e9 ne souhaitera intervenir, l'amendement sera mis aux voix. Les amendements seront examin\u00e9s dans l'ordre o\u00f9 ils figurent dans le projet de loi et dans la liasse que chaque d\u00e9put\u00e9 a re\u00e7ue de notre greffi\u00e8re. Les d\u00e9put\u00e9s doivent prendre note que les amendements doivent \u00eatre soumis par \u00e9crit \u00e0 la greffi\u00e8re du Comit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172903\" data-originallang=\"en\">La pr\u00e9sidence proc\u00e9dera lentement pour permettre \u00e0 tous les membres de bien suivre les d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172904\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une r\u00e9f\u00e9rence alphanum\u00e9rique est inscrite dans le coin sup\u00e9rieur droit de chaque amendement pour indiquer quel parti l'a pr\u00e9sent\u00e9. Il n'est pas n\u00e9cessaire d'avoir un comotionnaire pour proposer un amendement. Une fois qu'un amendement a \u00e9t\u00e9 propos\u00e9, il faut le consentement unanime pour le retirer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172905\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pendant le d\u00e9bat sur un amendement, les d\u00e9put\u00e9s sont autoris\u00e9s \u00e0 proposer des sous-amendements. Ces sous-amendements doivent \u00eatre soumis par \u00e9crit. L'autorisation de la personne ayant propos\u00e9 l'amendement n'est pas n\u00e9cessaire \u00e0 cette fin. Un seul sous-amendement peut \u00eatre examin\u00e9 \u00e0 la fois, et ce sous-amendement ne peut pas \u00eatre modifi\u00e9. Lorsqu'un sous-amendement est propos\u00e9, il est mis aux voix en premier. Ensuite, un autre sous-amendement peut \u00eatre propos\u00e9 ou le Comit\u00e9 peut examiner l'amendement lui-m\u00eame et le mettre aux voix.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172906\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une fois que chaque article aura \u00e9t\u00e9 mis aux voix, le Comit\u00e9 examinera et mettra aux voix le pr\u00e9ambule, le titre abr\u00e9g\u00e9, le titre et le projet de loi lui-m\u00eame. Si des amendements sont adopt\u00e9s, un ordre de r\u00e9impression du projet de loi peut \u00eatre requis afin que la Chambre dispose d'une version \u00e0 jour \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape du rapport.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172907\" data-originallang=\"en\">Enfin, le Comit\u00e9 devra ordonner \u00e0 la pr\u00e9sidence de faire rapport du projet de loi \u00e0 la Chambre. Ce rapport ne contiendra que le texte des amendements adopt\u00e9s ainsi qu'une indication des articles supprim\u00e9s.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172908\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous accueillons cet apr\u00e8s-midi des t\u00e9moins du minist\u00e8re de l'Emploi et du D\u00e9veloppement social. Nous recevons ainsi Mme Anamika Mona Nandy, directrice g\u00e9n\u00e9rale, Politique de l'assurance-emploi, Direction g\u00e9n\u00e9rale des comp\u00e9tences et de l'emploi; Mme Deanne Field, directrice g\u00e9n\u00e9rale, Traitement des prestations d'assurance-emploi; Mme Soojin Yu, directrice, Prestations sp\u00e9ciales; Mme Magalie Brochu, gestionnaire, Prestations sp\u00e9ciales; et M. Neil Burron, gestionnaire, Politiques strat\u00e9giques et r\u00e9forme l\u00e9gislative.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172909\" data-originallang=\"en\">Conform\u00e9ment au paragraphe 75(1) du R\u00e8glement, l'\u00e9tude du pr\u00e9ambule est report\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172910\" data-originallang=\"en\">En tant que pr\u00e9sident, je mets en d\u00e9lib\u00e9ration l'article 1.</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8172911\">(Article 1)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172912\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Madame Gazan, vous avez la parole.</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "Ms. Leah Gazan (Winnipeg Centre, NDP)",
"fr": "Mme Leah Gazan (Winnipeg-Centre, NPD)"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172913\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172914\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'm a visitor at the committee. I know that you've spoken and reviewed these amendments prior. Are we at proposed subsection 1.2? Is that right? </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172913\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172914\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne fais pas partie des membres r\u00e9guliers du Comit\u00e9. Je sais que vous avez d\u00e9j\u00e0 discut\u00e9 de ces amendements et que vous les avez examin\u00e9s. Pouvez-vous me dire si nous en sommes au paragraphe 1.2 propos\u00e9?</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "The Chair",
"fr": "Le pr\u00e9sident"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172915\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'm sorry, Ms. Gazan. No, the committee did not meet and review the amendments.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172915\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis d\u00e9sol\u00e9, madame Gazan, mais je dois vous dire que le Comit\u00e9 ne s'est pas r\u00e9uni pour examiner les amendements.</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "Ms. Leah Gazan",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172916\" data-originallang=\"en\">Okay, so we did not.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172917\" data-originallang=\"en\">Are we at proposed subsection 1.2, though? Is that right?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172916\" data-originallang=\"en\">D'accord, donc cela n'a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 fait.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172917\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pouvez-vous alors me confirmer que nous en sommes au paragraphe 1.2 propos\u00e9? </p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172918\" data-originallang=\"en\">That's correct, yes. We're at proposed subsection 1.2. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172918\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est exact. Nous en sommes effectivement au paragraphe 1.2 propos\u00e9.</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "Ms. Leah Gazan",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172919\" data-originallang=\"en\">Okay, we're at proposed subsection 1.2. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172919\" data-originallang=\"en\">D'accord. C'est bien ce que je croyais.</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172920\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yes, and there is an amendment, NDP-1.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172920\" data-originallang=\"en\">Oui, et nous avons l'amendement NDP\u20111 \u00e0 ce sujet.</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "Ms. Leah Gazan",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172921\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yes.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172921\" data-originallang=\"en\">Oui.</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172922\" data-originallang=\"en\">Do you wish to move the amendment, Ms. Gazan?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172922\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voulez-vous proposer cet amendement, madame Gazan?</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172923\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yes, I wish to move the amendment.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172923\" data-originallang=\"en\">Oui, je souhaite proposer l'amendement.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172924\" data-originallang=\"en\">You have the floor.</p>",
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:35:00",
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"en": "Ms. Leah Gazan",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172925\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172926\" data-originallang=\"en\">I feel it's like <em>The Twilight Zone</em>. I'm back here again having to justify why these amendments are relevant in terms of being able to amend the bill.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172927\" data-originallang=\"en\">We'd like to change it to \u201cFor greater certainty, in this part, a reference to the placement of one or more children with a claimant for the purpose of adoption includes a situation in which one or more Indigenous children are placed, in accordance with the customs or traditions...to which they belong, with a claimant, other than their parent, for the purpose of giving the claimant primary responsibility for providing their day-to-day care.\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172928\" data-originallang=\"en\">In the last Parliament we passed Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a>, which means that all legislation going forward has to be consistent with the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172929\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'd like to read into the record the eighth paragraph the preambular paragraphs in Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a> specifically, which states the following:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172930\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Whereas the implementation of the Declaration must include concrete measures to address injustices, combat prejudice and eliminate all forms of violence, racism and discrimination, including systemic racism and discrimination, against Indigenous peoples and Indigenous elders, youth, children, women, men, persons with disabilities and gender-diverse persons and two-spirit persons; </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172931\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'd also like to refer to preambular paragraph 18 of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a>, which states: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172932\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Whereas the Declaration is affirmed as a source for the interpretation of Canadian law; </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172933\" data-originallang=\"en\">We knew that well before Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a>, so moving on, we see that section 5 of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a> speaks specifically to consistency. It reads:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172934\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The Government of Canada must, in consultation and cooperation with Indigenous peoples, take all measures necessary to ensure that the laws of Canada are consistent with the Declaration. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172935\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to start out by first commending MP Falk for putting forward this bill and for working with stakeholders who pushed to get this bill forward. One of the areas stakeholders were concerned about was that kinship and customary care were not included, which is something that MP Falk and I had an opportunity to speak about before and which is something that is critical.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172936\" data-originallang=\"en\">Before I refer to the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, I'll give you a couple of reasons that this bill is not only not consistent with Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a> but that it also does not uphold the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples, particularly articles 19, 21 and 22, which I'll read into the record. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172937\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ninety per cent of all kids in care in Manitoba are indigenous. There are more kids in child welfare now than at the height of the residential schools. There is no secret about it. The fact that we're even debating whether this falls out of scope is disturbing to me, quite frankly, when we passed Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a> in the last Parliament and when we know that almost all kids in care in this country\u2014over 90%, certainly, in my province\u2014are indigenous.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172938\" data-originallang=\"en\">If you look at article 19 of the UN declaration\u2014I'm going to read it into the record\u2014you'll see that it states that \u201cStates shall consult and cooperate in good faith with the indigenous peoples concerned through their own representative institutions\u201d\u2014which includes child welfare institutions\u2014\u201cin order to obtain their free, prior and informed consent before adopting and implementing legislative or administrative measures that may affect them.\u201d </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172939\" data-originallang=\"en\">Article 21 states that:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172940\" data-originallang=\"en\"> 1. Indigenous peoples have the right, without discrimination, to the improvement of their economic and social conditions, including, inter alia, in the areas of education, employment, vocational training and retraining, housing, sanitation, health and social security. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172941\" data-originallang=\"en\"> 2. States shall take effective measures and, where appropriate, special measures to ensure continuing improvement of their economic and social conditions. Particular attention shall be paid to the rights and special needs of indigenous elders, women, youth, children and persons with disabilities. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172942\" data-originallang=\"en\">We know the child welfare system is a direct pipeline to murdered and missing indigenous women.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172943\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Article 22 reads:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172944\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Particular attention shall be paid to the rights and special needs of indigenous elders, women, youth, children and persons with disabilities in the implementation of this Declaration. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172945\" data-originallang=\"en\">It's something that this bill, in its current iteration, does not do. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172946\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to commend other parties in the House that understood the importance of ensuring that Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a> was compatible with the child care legislation. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172947\" data-originallang=\"en\">Once again I'm here to talk about the very essence of reconciliation, which is giving our kids back. We need to have the decision-making power and the financial resources to be able to care for our kids in the way we choose to care for our kids, which is primarily through customary and kinship care arrangements. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172948\" data-originallang=\"en\">In terms of child care, which is outside of the scope of the bill, the last time I was at this committee all members, including one Liberal, voted in favour because they understood that the government has a legal obligation to ensure that all legislation going forward is consistent with the United Nations declaration. This bill needs to be amended so that it does just that, so I'd like to keep this amendment on the floor. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172925\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172926\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai l'impression de me retrouver dans <em>La quatri\u00e8me dimension</em>. Je dois encore une fois expliquer pourquoi il est pertinent de proposer de tels amendements pour modifier le projet de loi.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172927\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous aimerions ajouter un paragraphe pr\u00e9voyant ce qui suit: \u00ab Il est entendu que, dans la pr\u00e9sente partie, la mention du placement chez un prestataire d\u2019un ou plusieurs enfants en vue de leur adoption vaut aussi mention du placement, en conformit\u00e9 avec les coutumes ou les traditions du groupe, de la collectivit\u00e9 ou du peuple autochtones dont ils font partie, d\u2019un ou plusieurs enfants autochtones chez un prestataire qui n\u2019est pas leur parent \u2014 m\u00e8re ou p\u00e8re \u2014 en vue de donner \u00e0 celui\u2011ci la responsabilit\u00e9 principale de leur fournir des soins quotidiens. \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172928\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au cours de la derni\u00e8re l\u00e9gislature, nous avons adopt\u00e9 le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a>, ce qui fait en sorte que toutes les lois \u00e0 venir doivent \u00eatre conformes \u00e0 la D\u00e9claration des Nations unies sur les droits des peuples autochtones.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172929\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais lire, aux fins du compte rendu, le huiti\u00e8me paragraphe du pr\u00e9ambule du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a>:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172930\" data-originallang=\"en\"> que la mise en \u0153uvre de la D\u00e9claration doit comporter notamment des mesures concr\u00e8tes visant \u00e0 lutter contre les injustices, \u00e0 combattre les pr\u00e9jug\u00e9s et \u00e0 \u00e9liminer toute forme de violence, de racisme et de discrimination, notamment le racisme et la discrimination syst\u00e9miques, auxquels se heurtent les peuples autochtones, ainsi que les a\u00een\u00e9s, les jeunes, les enfants, les femmes et les hommes autochtones, les Autochtones handicap\u00e9s et les Autochtones de diverses identit\u00e9s de genre ou bispirituels; </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172931\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais \u00e9galement citer le paragraphe 18 du pr\u00e9ambule du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a>, qui se lit comme suit:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172932\" data-originallang=\"en\"> qu\u2019il y a lieu de confirmer que la D\u00e9claration est une source d\u2019interpr\u00e9tation du droit canadien; </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172933\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme nous le savions d\u00e9j\u00e0 bien avant que le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a> soit adopt\u00e9, nous pouvons passer \u00e0 autre chose. L'article 5 du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a> porte pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment sur la compatibilit\u00e9. On peut y lire ceci:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172934\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Le gouvernement du Canada, en consultation et en coop\u00e9ration avec les peuples autochtones, prend toutes les mesures n\u00e9cessaires pour veiller \u00e0 ce que les lois f\u00e9d\u00e9rales soient compatibles avec la D\u00e9claration. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172935\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens d'abord \u00e0 f\u00e9liciter Mme Falk d'avoir pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 ce projet de loi\u2011ci en travaillant avec les diff\u00e9rents intervenants qui ont exerc\u00e9 des pressions pour qu'il soit adopt\u00e9. Ces intervenants s'inqui\u00e9taient notamment du fait que les proches et les aidants coutumiers n'\u00e9taient pas inclus, une consid\u00e9ration essentielle dont Mme Falk et moi-m\u00eame avons d\u00e9j\u00e0 eu l'occasion de discuter.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172936\" data-originallang=\"en\">Avant de parler de la D\u00e9claration des Nations unies sur les droits des peuples autochtones, je vais vous exposer quelques \u00e9l\u00e9ments d\u00e9montrant que non seulement ce projet de loi n'est pas conforme \u00e0 ce que pr\u00e9voit le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a>, mais il ne respecte pas non plus la D\u00e9claration des Nations unies sur les droits des peuples autochtones, et en particulier les articles 19, 21 et 22 que je vais lire aux fins du compte rendu.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172937\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au Manitoba, 90 % des enfants pris en charge sont autochtones. Il y a plus d'enfants pris en charge aujourd'hui qu'\u00e0 l'apog\u00e9e des pensionnats. Ce n'est pas un secret pour personne. En toute franchise, je ne comprends pas que nous puissions m\u00eame nous demander si cela d\u00e9passe la port\u00e9e du projet de loi, alors que nous avons adopt\u00e9 le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a> au cours de la derni\u00e8re l\u00e9gislature et que nous savons que presque tous les enfants pris en charge dans ce pays \u2014 plus de 90 % en tout cas dans ma province \u2014 sont autochtones.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172938\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si vous regardez l'article 19 de la D\u00e9claration des Nations unies \u2014 et je vais le lire aux fins du compte rendu \u2014, vous verrez qu'on y indique que: \u00ab Les \u00c9tats se concertent et coop\u00e8rent de bonne foi avec les peuples autochtones int\u00e9ress\u00e9s \u2014 par l'interm\u00e9diaire de leurs propres institutions repr\u00e9sentatives \u00bb \u2014 ce qui comprend les agences de protection de l'enfance \u2014 \u00ab avant d'adopter et d'appliquer des mesures l\u00e9gislatives ou administratives susceptibles de concerner les peuples autochtones afin d'obtenir leur consentement pr\u00e9alable, donn\u00e9 librement et en connaissance de cause. \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172939\" data-originallang=\"en\">L'article 21 pr\u00e9voit ce qui suit:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172940\" data-originallang=\"en\"> 1. Les peuples autochtones ont droit, sans discrimination d\u2019aucune sorte, \u00e0 l\u2019am\u00e9lioration de leur situation \u00e9conomique et sociale, notamment dans les domaines de l\u2019\u00e9ducation, de l\u2019emploi, de la formation et de la reconversion professionnelles, du logement, de l\u2019assainissement, de la sant\u00e9 et de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172941\" data-originallang=\"en\"> 2. Les \u00c9tats prennent des mesures efficaces et, selon ce qu'il conviendra, des mesures sp\u00e9ciales pour assurer l'am\u00e9lioration continue de la situation \u00e9conomique et sociale des peuples autochtones. Une attention particuli\u00e8re est accord\u00e9e aux droits et aux besoins particuliers des anciens, des femmes, des jeunes, des enfants et des personnes handicap\u00e9es autochtones. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172942\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous savons que le r\u00e9gime de protection de l'enfance est l'un des \u00e9l\u00e9ments contribuant directement au fl\u00e9au des femmes autochtones assassin\u00e9es et disparues.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172943\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voici ce qu'on peut lire \u00e0 l'article 22:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172944\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Une attention particuli\u00e8re est accord\u00e9e aux droits et aux besoins sp\u00e9ciaux des anciens, des femmes, des jeunes, des enfants et des personnes handicap\u00e9es autochtones dans la mise en \u0153uvre de la pr\u00e9sente D\u00e9claration. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172945\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est quelque chose que ce projet de loi, dans sa forme actuelle, ne fait pas.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172946\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens \u00e0 f\u00e9liciter les autres partis \u00e0 la Chambre qui ont compris l'importance de veiller \u00e0 ce que le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a> soit compatible avec la loi sur la garde d'enfants.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172947\" data-originallang=\"en\">Encore une fois, je suis ici pour parler de l'essence m\u00eame de la r\u00e9conciliation, qui consiste \u00e0 nous rendre nos enfants. Nous devons avoir le pouvoir d\u00e9cisionnel et les ressources financi\u00e8res n\u00e9cessaires pour \u00eatre en mesure de prendre soin de nos enfants de la fa\u00e7on dont nous choisissons de le faire, soit surtout dans le cadre d'arrangements de prise en charge par les proches et les aidants coutumiers.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172948\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui concerne la garde d'enfants, qui d\u00e9passe la port\u00e9e du projet de loi, la derni\u00e8re fois que j'ai particip\u00e9 \u00e0 une s\u00e9ance de ce comit\u00e9, tous les membres, y compris un lib\u00e9ral, ont vot\u00e9 en faveur parce qu'ils comprenaient que le gouvernement avait l'obligation juridique de veiller \u00e0 ce que toutes les mesures l\u00e9gislatives soient conformes \u00e0 la D\u00e9claration des Nations unies. Ce projet de loi\u2011ci doit \u00eatre modifi\u00e9 en ce sens, et j'aimerais donc que nous puissions d\u00e9battre de cet amendement.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172949\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Ms. Gazan. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172950\" data-originallang=\"en\">As chair I must rule on admissibility of amendments. My responsibility is to ensure that the procedure of the House of Commons that has been adopted by all parties is followed. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172951\" data-originallang=\"en\">Before I give a ruling on the amendment moved by Ms. Gazan, I'm going to ask whichever official feels it is appropriate to speak briefly to the issue. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172952\" data-originallang=\"en\">Does Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C-318</a> infringe on Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a>? You heard the concern outlined by Ms. Gazan. Could you briefly address that before...?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172949\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, madame Gazan.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172950\" data-originallang=\"en\">Dans mon r\u00f4le de pr\u00e9sident, je dois me prononcer sur la recevabilit\u00e9 des amendements. Ma responsabilit\u00e9 est de m'assurer que la proc\u00e9dure de la Chambre des communes qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 adopt\u00e9e par tous les partis est respect\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172951\" data-originallang=\"en\">Avant de rendre une d\u00e9cision sur l'amendement propos\u00e9 par Mme Gazan, je vais demander \u00e0 celui ou celle de nos t\u00e9moins qui le jugera appropri\u00e9 de nous dire quelques mots \u00e0 ce sujet.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172952\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C\u2011318</a> contrevient\u2011il aux modalit\u00e9s du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a>? Vous avez entendu la pr\u00e9occupation exprim\u00e9e par Mme Gazan. Pourriez-vous nous en parler bri\u00e8vement avant que...?</p>"
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"time": "2024-01-29 15:45:00",
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"en": "Ms. Anamika Mona Nandy (Director General, Employment Insurance Policy, Skills and Employment Branch, Department of Employment and Social Development)",
"fr": "Mme Anamika Mona Nandy (directrice g\u00e9n\u00e9rale, Politique de l\u2019assurance-emploi, Direction g\u00e9n\u00e9rale des comp\u00e9tences et de l\u2019emploi, minist\u00e8re de l'Emploi et du D\u00e9veloppement social)"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172953\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Yes, we did hear the brief description of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C-15</a> with regard to the United Nations Declaration of the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. That said, we are not here to speak to the content of that particular bill, so we would not be able to make a direct comparison.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172954\" data-originallang=\"en\">I will say, though, that in terms of kinship and customary care, the issue is with regard to the temporary nature of those placements, and that's the focus. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172953\" data-originallang=\"en\">Oui, nous avons entendu la mention du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11007812\" href=\"/bills/43-2/C-15/\" title=\"An Act respecting the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples\">C\u201115</a> dans le contexte de la D\u00e9claration des Nations unies sur les droits des peuples autochtones. Cela dit, il nous est impossible d'\u00e9tablir une comparaison directe, car nous ne sommes pas ici pour parler de la teneur de cet autre projet de loi.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172954\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour ce qui est par ailleurs de la prise en charge par des proches ou des aidants coutumiers, le probl\u00e8me tient \u00e0 la nature temporaire de tels placements, et c'est ce qui retient surtout notre attention.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172955\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172956\" data-originallang=\"en\">Procedure does not allow for debate on the amendment of Ms. Falk because I have to first rule on whether it's admissible before we can go into debate, so at this time I thank Ms. Gazan for her comments. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172957\" data-originallang=\"en\">Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C-318</a> introduces a new type of special benefit, an attachment benefit of 15 weeks for adoptive parents and parents of children conceived through surrogacy. The current amendment attempts to create another benefit, whereby an indigenous child could be placed with a claimant different from the child's parents, following different processes from the provincial adoption process as stated in the bill, and the claimant could be entitled to obtain a 15-week benefit drawn from the treasury.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172958\" data-originallang=\"en\">As <em>House of Commons Procedure and Practice</em>, third edition, states on page 772:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172959\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Since an amendment may not infringe upon the financial initiative of the Crown, it is inadmissible if it imposes a charge on the public treasury or if it extends the objects or purposes or relaxes the conditions and qualifications specified in the royal recommendation. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172960\" data-originallang=\"en\">In the opinion of the chair, the amendment proposes a new scheme, one that imposes a new charge on the public treasury, and as such it would require a royal recommendation. Therefore I rule the amendment inadmissible. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172961\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ms. Gazan, there's no debate. You can challenge my ruling.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172955\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172956\" data-originallang=\"en\">La proc\u00e9dure ne permet pas que l'on d\u00e9batte de l'amendement propos\u00e9 parce que je dois d'abord me prononcer sur sa recevabilit\u00e9. Je remercie donc Mme Gazan de ses commentaires.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172957\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C\u2011318</a> met en place un nouveau type de prestation sp\u00e9ciale, une prestation d'attachement de 15 semaines pour les parents adoptifs et les parents d'enfants con\u00e7us par une m\u00e8re porteuse. L'amendement dont nous sommes saisis vise \u00e0 cr\u00e9er une autre prestation, en vertu de laquelle un enfant autochtone pourrait \u00eatre plac\u00e9 aupr\u00e8s d'une personne autre que ses parents, suivant des modalit\u00e9s ne s'inscrivant pas dans le r\u00e9gime provincial d'adoption, comme le pr\u00e9voit le projet de loi, et la personne responsable pourrait obtenir une prestation de 15 semaines pr\u00e9lev\u00e9e sur le Tr\u00e9sor.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172958\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme on peut le lire \u00e0 la page 772 de la troisi\u00e8me \u00e9dition de<em>La proc\u00e9dure et les usages de la Chambre des communes</em>:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172959\" data-originallang=\"en\"> \u00c9tant donn\u00e9 qu'un amendement ne peut empi\u00e9ter sur la pr\u00e9rogative de la Couronne en mati\u00e8re financi\u00e8re, est irrecevable tout amendement qui entra\u00eene une imputation sur le Tr\u00e9sor, qui \u00e9tend l'objet ou le but de la recommandation royale ou qui en assouplit les conditions et les r\u00e9serves. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8172960\" data-originallang=\"en\">De l'avis de la pr\u00e9sidence, l'amendement propose un nouveau r\u00e9gime, qui entra\u00eene une nouvelle imputation sur le Tr\u00e9sor et, \u00e0 ce titre, n\u00e9cessiterait une recommandation royale. Par cons\u00e9quent, je d\u00e9clare l'amendement irrecevable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172961\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il n'y a pas de d\u00e9bat, madame Gazan, mais vous pouvez contester ma d\u00e9cision.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172962\" data-originallang=\"en\"> It's time to give our kids back, so I'm going to challenge your ruling.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172962\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme il est grand temps que l'on nous rende nos enfants, je vais contester votre d\u00e9cision.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172963\" data-originallang=\"en\">The ruling of the chair has been challenged.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172964\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Clerk, I call a recorded vote on the challenge to the chair's ruling. Does the committee support the chair's ruling or not?</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8172965\">(Ruling of the chair overturned: nays 6; yeas 5)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172966\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Committee members, that brings us to debate.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172967\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ms. Falk, we're on the amendment.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172963\" data-originallang=\"en\">La d\u00e9cision de la pr\u00e9sidence a \u00e9t\u00e9 contest\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172964\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la greffi\u00e8re, je demande un vote par appel nominal sur la contestation de la d\u00e9cision de la pr\u00e9sidence. Le Comit\u00e9 soutient\u2011il ou non la d\u00e9cision de la pr\u00e9sidence?</p>\n<p class=\"procedural\" data-HoCid=\"8172965\">(La d\u00e9cision de la pr\u00e9sidence est rejet\u00e9e par 6 voix contre 5.)</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172966\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Chers membres du Comit\u00e9, nous passons maintenant au d\u00e9bat.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172967\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame Falk, nous examinons l'amendement.</p>"
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"en": "Mrs. Rosemarie Falk (Battlefords\u2014Lloydminster, CPC)",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172968\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you very much, Chair. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172969\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to also personally thank MP Gazan for moving this amendment.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172970\" data-originallang=\"en\">I introduced Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C-318</a> to address the current discrimination that exists in our employment insurance program. I want it on the record that because this bill does not explicitly include claimants in a customary care arrangement, it was my expectation that they would have access to it, as is generally the case with the current parental benefits. I recognize that this amendment will ensure their inclusion, which I believe to be in the same spirit and intent as my private member's bill, so I will be supporting this amendment.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172968\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Merci beaucoup, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172969\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens \u00e9galement \u00e0 remercier personnellement la d\u00e9put\u00e9e Gazan d'avoir propos\u00e9 cet amendement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172970\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12260777\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-318/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Employment Insurance Act and the Canada Labour Code (adoptive and intended parents)\">C\u2011318</a> pour rem\u00e9dier \u00e0 la discrimination qui existe actuellement au sein de notre programme d'assurance-emploi. Je tiens \u00e0 faire figurer au compte rendu qu'\u00e9tant donn\u00e9 que ce projet de loi n'inclut pas explicitement les demandeurs dans le cadre d'une entente de soins conformes aux traditions, je m'attendais \u00e0 ce que ces personnes puissent y acc\u00e9der, comme c'est g\u00e9n\u00e9ralement le cas pour les prestations parentales actuelles. Je sais que cet amendement garantira leur inclusion, ce qui me semble conforme \u00e0 l'esprit et \u00e0 l'intention de mon projet de loi d'initiative parlementaire, c'est pourquoi je soutiendrai cet amendement.</p>"
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172971\" data-originallang=\"en\">We go to Ms. Ferreri and then Mr. Kusmierczyk.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172972\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ms. Ferreri, go ahead.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172971\" data-originallang=\"en\">La parole est \u00e0 Mme Ferreri, puis ce sera au tour de M. Kusmierczyk.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172972\" data-originallang=\"en\">Allez\u2011y, madame Ferreri.</p>"
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"en": "Ms. Michelle Ferreri (Peterborough\u2014Kawartha, CPC)",
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"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172973\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172974\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to thank my colleague Ms. Falk for bringing this private member's bill forward, because equity is really what this comes down to. That's what this bill is all about. A parent is a parent, and a caregiver. It's a critical bill and it's something to be extremely proud of.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172975\" data-originallang=\"en\">In relation to Ms. Gazan's amendment and what she's brought forth, I can't stress enough how vital this is. We worked together on Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12138647\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-35/\" title=\"An Act respecting early learning and child care in Canada\">C-35</a>, which is the child care bill, and we've worked together on the status of women. When this was put forward in Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12138647\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-35/\" title=\"An Act respecting early learning and child care in Canada\">C-35</a> to support the rights of Indigenous parents, the Liberals voted against it. We saw this again, and it just doesn't make sense.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172976\" data-originallang=\"en\">I sense her frustration greatly today. I can feel it from her. I think that if we want to have a great country, we have to have healthy kids, and kids need to be cared for. This is a no-brainer amendment, and quite frankly, I'm shocked, especially when the person who has put forward the bill says that yes, this is well within the scope of what she had hoped for.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172977\" data-originallang=\"en\">I fully support my colleague Ms. Gazan today, and I would deeply encourage.... We see article after article come forward in the news about this marketing slogan of $10-a-day child care crumbling in each province because the Liberal government did exactly what we said they would do: They set the provinces up to fail. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172978\" data-originallang=\"en\">Do you know who's losing? It's children. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8172973\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172974\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens \u00e0 remercier ma coll\u00e8gue, Mme Falk, d'avoir pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 ce projet de loi d'initiative parlementaire, car l'\u00e9quit\u00e9 est au c\u0153ur de cette question. C'est le but de ce projet de loi. Un parent est un parent et un soignant. Il s'agit d'un projet de loi essentiel dont nous pouvons \u00eatre extr\u00eamement fiers.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172975\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne saurais trop insister sur l'importance de l'amendement de Mme Gazan et de ce qu'elle a propos\u00e9. Nous avons travaill\u00e9 ensemble sur le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12138647\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-35/\" title=\"An Act respecting early learning and child care in Canada\">C\u201135</a>, qui est le projet de loi sur la garde d'enfants, ainsi que sur la condition f\u00e9minine. Lorsque cette proposition a \u00e9t\u00e9 faite dans le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12138647\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-35/\" title=\"An Act respecting early learning and child care in Canada\">C\u201135</a> afin de soutenir les droits des parents autochtones, les lib\u00e9raux ont vot\u00e9 contre. C'est \u00e0 nouveau le cas, et cela n'a aucun sens.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172976\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je per\u00e7ois une grande frustration chez elle aujourd'hui. Je la ressens. Je pense que si nous voulons \u00eatre un grand pays, nos enfants doivent \u00eatre en bonne sant\u00e9 et nous devons nous occuper d'eux. Cet amendement va de soi et, tr\u00e8s franchement, je suis choqu\u00e9e, surtout lorsque la personne qui a pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 le projet de loi dit que, oui, cela correspond bien \u00e0 ce qu'elle esp\u00e9rait.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172977\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je soutiens pleinement ma coll\u00e8gue, Mme Gazan, aujourd'hui, et j'encourage vivement... On voit de plus en plus d'articles dans les m\u00e9dias montrant que le slogan des garderies \u00e0 10 $ par jour s'effondre dans toutes les provinces parce que le gouvernement lib\u00e9ral a fait exactement ce que nous avions pr\u00e9dit. Il a condamn\u00e9 les provinces \u00e0 l'\u00e9chec. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8172978\" data-originallang=\"en\">Savez-vous qui sont les victimes de cette situation? Ce sont les enfants. </p>"
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