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{
    "time": "2024-05-29 21:00:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Mark Holland (Minister of Health, Lib.)",
        "fr": "L\u2019hon. Mark Holland (ministre de la Sant\u00e9, Lib.)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8429480\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Mr. Speaker, yes, I do share the concern the member has. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429481\" data-originallang=\"en\">My friend and colleague points out that we have seen it a number of times. In fact, Newt Gingrich also talked about common sense and brought in some of the most disastrous criminal justice reforms that have ever been visited on the United States. He himself afterwards said that it was the greatest mistake of his political life and a dreadful mistake. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429482\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is a terrible thing, when the world is complicated and difficult and is going through as much as it is, to pretend that there is a magic wand, as if all we have to do is take away people's carbon rebate and all the problems of the world will go away. That is the only solution I have heard from the other side. The Conservatives talk about cutting government spending, but they will not say where. We know they will not support dental care. We know they do not support pharmacare. What else are they going to cut? </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429483\" data-originallang=\"en\">The major investments we are making in health care are absolutely critical for making sure that our public health system is there for everybody. If we do not have a public health care system, what we wind up with is two tiers of care. The private system will go after the most profitable care, will go after the care that makes the most money, and the public system will be left with the most expensive care. It means that not only will care get more expensive, but those who are left and can only afford the public system will get deteriorating care. There will then be a migration of money and talent from the public system. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429484\" data-originallang=\"en\">That is what we have seen all over the world. I have told this story before, but it bears mentioning again because it really reflects the question of what kind of country we want to live in.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429485\" data-originallang=\"en\">I had the opportunity a couple of months ago to go away for the weekend with my partner. When we were down in the United States, we saw a man collapse. He had some sort of health event that caused him to fall to the ground unconscious. We went over to his side and called 911. When he came to and we told him not to worry because paramedics were on the way, his concern was not for his health; his concern was for how he was going to pay for his health. His concern was that he did not have enough money to deal with the health emergency in front of him. We could say that this is an American-only problem, but we have holes in our system we are trying to fix. We have diabetes patients who are saying they cannot adhere to their diabetes medication. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429486\" data-originallang=\"en\">I will go one further. I met with Dr. Mehta in Scarborough. Dr. Mehta told me he has patients whom he tells, \u201cIf you follow this regime of taking your medication and eating the right foods, you're going to stay healthy.\u201d He asked why he is even working as a doctor, because the people in front of him cannot get medication and cannot adhere to it. It means they are going to wind up with a cardiac event or stroke, or they are going to go blind or lose a limb. To me, that is not acceptable. Those are the consequences in front of us. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429487\" data-originallang=\"en\">Either we step forward and continue to fill those gaps to make sure we are preventing bad outcomes or we use \u201ccommon sense\u201d, which is to pretend snake oil and these solutions of slogans, which are nothing more than the sentences that are tweeted, are going to fix the complex problems we have. We have to meet the moment we are in with real solutions that are going to provide answers. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429488\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am proud that we have health partners and health ministers across the country we can work with. They are putting aside the partisanship and saying, \u201cLet's get it done.\u201d I wish we had an opposition party that would do the same.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8429480\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, oui, je suis aussi pr\u00e9occup\u00e9 que le d\u00e9put\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429481\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mon ami et coll\u00e8gue souligne que c'est quelque chose que nous avons vu \u00e0 plusieurs reprises. En fait, Newt Gingrich a \u00e9galement parl\u00e9 de gros bon sens et a apport\u00e9 au syst\u00e8me de justice p\u00e9nale certaines des r\u00e9formes les plus d\u00e9sastreuses que les \u00c9tats\u2011Unis aient jamais connues. Il a lui-m\u00eame admis par la suite que c'\u00e9tait la plus grande erreur de sa vie politique et une erreur monumentale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429482\" data-originallang=\"en\">La situation dans le monde est complexe et difficile, car nous vivons une p\u00e9riode de turbulence. Il est \u00e9pouvantable de pr\u00e9tendre que le simple fait d'\u00e9liminer la Remise canadienne sur le carbone fera magiquement dispara\u00eetre tous les probl\u00e8mes du monde. En effet, c'est la seule solution que j'ai entendue de la part des d\u00e9put\u00e9s d'en face. Les conservateurs parlent de r\u00e9duire les d\u00e9penses du gouvernement, mais ils ne disent pas o\u00f9. Nous savons qu'ils n'appuieront pas le programme de soins dentaires. Nous savons qu'ils n'appuient pas l'assurance-m\u00e9dicaments. Quelles autres compressions vont-ils faire?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429483\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les investissements majeurs que nous faisons dans les soins de sant\u00e9 sont absolument essentiels pour permettre \u00e0 tout le monde d'avoir acc\u00e8s au syst\u00e8me de sant\u00e9 publique. Sans syst\u00e8me de sant\u00e9 publique, nous nous retrouvons avec un syst\u00e8me de sant\u00e9 \u00e0 deux vitesses. Le syst\u00e8me priv\u00e9 s'int\u00e9ressera aux soins les plus lucratifs, \u00e0 ceux qui rapportent le plus d'argent, et le syst\u00e8me public se retrouvera avec les soins les plus co\u00fbteux. Cela signifie non seulement que les soins co\u00fbteront plus cher, mais aussi qu'il y aura une d\u00e9t\u00e9rioration des soins offerts \u00e0 ceux n'ayant pas les moyens de se tourner vers le syst\u00e8me priv\u00e9. Le syst\u00e8me public perdra alors de l'argent et des talents.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429484\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est ce que nous avons vu partout dans le monde. J'ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 racont\u00e9 cette histoire, mais il vaut la peine de la r\u00e9p\u00e9ter, car c'est un bon exemple de situation qui nous am\u00e8ne \u00e0 nous demander dans quel genre de pays nous voulons vivre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429485\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a quelques mois, j'ai eu l'occasion de passer une fin de semaine aux \u00c9tats\u2011Unis avec ma conjointe. L\u00e0-bas, nous avons vu un homme s'effondrer \u00e0 cause d'un probl\u00e8me de sant\u00e9 qui lui a fait perdre connaissance. Nous sommes all\u00e9s \u00e0 ses c\u00f4t\u00e9s et nous avons compos\u00e9 le 911. Lorsqu'il a repris connaissance et que nous lui avons dit de ne pas s'inqui\u00e9ter parce que les ambulanciers param\u00e9dicaux \u00e9taient en route, il se faisait du souci non pas pour sa sant\u00e9, mais pour la fa\u00e7on dont il allait payer les soins de sant\u00e9. Il craignait de ne pas avoir assez d'argent pour payer les soins d'urgence qu'il allait recevoir. Certains pourraient dire que c'est un probl\u00e8me qu'on voit seulement aux \u00c9tats\u2011Unis, mais notre syst\u00e8me a aussi des lacunes que nous essayons de combler. Il y a des diab\u00e9tiques qui disent ne pas pouvoir continuer de prendre leurs m\u00e9dicaments contre le diab\u00e8te.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429486\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais parler d'une autre situation encore. J'ai rencontr\u00e9 le Dr Mehta \u00e0 Scarborough. Il m'a dit qu'il a des patients \u00e0 qui il dit: \u00ab Si vous suivez mes conseils, que vous mangez les bons aliments et que vous prenez vos m\u00e9dicaments, vous resterez en sant\u00e9. \u00bb Il m'a demand\u00e9 \u00e0 quoi bon \u00eatre m\u00e9decin, puisque les gens qui viennent le voir n'ont pas les moyens d'acheter des m\u00e9dicaments et de suivre ses conseils. Ils finissent par avoir un malaise cardiaque ou par faire une crise cardiaque ou ils deviennent aveugles ou perdent un de leurs membres. Je trouve cela inacceptable. Ce sont les cons\u00e9quences que nous observons. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429487\" data-originallang=\"en\">Soit nous agissons et nous continuons de combler les lacunes pour emp\u00eacher que les gens vivent de tels probl\u00e8mes, soit nous faisons preuve de \u00ab gros bon sens \u00bb et nous nous convainquons que les solutions de charlatans et les slogans, qui ne sont rien d'autre que des ramassis de mots sur Twitter, vont r\u00e9gler les probl\u00e8mes complexes auxquels nous devons faire face. Nous devons r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 la situation actuelle au moyen de v\u00e9ritables solutions qui donneront des r\u00e9sultats. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8429488\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis fier d'avoir des partenaires dans le syst\u00e8me de sant\u00e9 et des ministres de la Sant\u00e9 dans tout le pays avec qui nous pouvons travailler. Ils mettent de c\u00f4t\u00e9 la partisanerie et disent: \u00ab Allons-y, r\u00e9glons le probl\u00e8me. \u00bb J'aimerais que le parti d'en face adopte la m\u00eame attitude. </p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2024/5/29/mark-holland-29/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/mark-holland/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4263/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "12772869",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": "Ordres \u00e9manant du gouvernement"
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Business of Supply",
        "fr": "Travaux des subsides"
    },
    "h3": {
        "en": "Department of Health\u2014Main Estimates, 2024-25",
        "fr": "Minist\u00e8re de la Sant\u00e9 \u2014 Le Budget principal des d\u00e9penses 2024\u20112025"
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2024/5/29/",
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    }
}