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{
"time": "2024-02-27 18:20:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Colin Carrie (Oshawa, CPC)",
"fr": "M. Colin Carrie (Oshawa, PCC)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8246347\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I want to say that I feel quite humbled and quite happy to be standing here this evening.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246348\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have heard the speeches in the House and the comments from members in regard to this bill. We have actually had an opportunity, instead of talking about some of these crimes, to talk about victims and their families. I want to take this opportunity to sincerely thank my colleagues in the House. I also want to take this opportunity to thank the victims and their families for their strength and for their advocacy. In particular, we have heard the name of Lisa Freeman a few times. She is a constituent of mine, who, with incredible tenacity and stubbornness, has helped make getting this bill through the House a reality.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246349\" data-originallang=\"en\">As my colleague from <a data-HoCid=\"278208\" href=\"/politicians/leslyn-lewis/\" title=\"Leslyn Lewis\">Haldimand\u2014Norfolk</a> said, \u201cKnowledge is power.\u201d This legislation would make a very simple amendment to the Corrections and Conditional Release Act with respect to the disclosure of information to victims. It would provide and give greater respect and transparency to families and victims.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246350\" data-originallang=\"en\">This is a change, and I will agree that it is a small change, but we are in a situation in which we have heard examples of where criminals are now getting more support from the system than the victims. This needs to be reversed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246351\" data-originallang=\"en\">Criminals' rights should never trump victims' rights, but it seems to happen every single time. It is our job to protect victims' rights. It should never be a family's job. These families, when their loved ones are murdered, get a life sentence. There is the mental trauma and cost, and it never goes away. The least we can do is be more transparent about how the criminals who changed their lives forever are being managed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246352\" data-originallang=\"en\">As we have heard in some of the speeches, we are not going to fix all these serious matters with this one bill, but I think we can all agree that the system needs to be recalibrated. The rights of victims have to be made equal to, or rather they should always be made better than the rights of their offenders.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246353\" data-originallang=\"en\">Here we have it, colleagues. A killer could be released into a community where his victims live, at the whim of his case management team, with no need to explain to the victims how the decision was made or when the release will take place, until after the fact. I know all members will agree that this is unconscionable. It should not be a fight that victims have to take on year after year, just to keep the most callous of murderers where they belong.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246354\" data-originallang=\"en\">Under the guise of rehabilitation, victims of crime often must stand back and watch while violent offenders exercise their rights, which, as most victims of crime find, are nothing more than a mockery of the justice system and basic common sense.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246355\" data-originallang=\"en\">Throughout this debate, we have been able to give victims' families a voice. I just want to add a more recent example, because it is very important that we pass this bill right away, as soon as we can. We heard, just last week, that Robert Pickton is now eligible to seek day parole, a murderer charged with killing 26 women and convicted of the deaths of six. I want to read some of the coverage from the families.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246356\" data-originallang=\"en\">A cousin of one of Robert Pickton's victims stated, \u201cThe fact that he can actually apply is horrific.\u201d This is what Ms. Williams said Wednesday, ahead of the candlelight vigil taking place by Pickton's old farm. She went on, \u201cThat threw me right off. I didn't know and the other families that I'm close to didn't know.\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246357\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is extremely unlikely that Pickton would ever be released, but Ms. Williams, a fierce advocate for missing and murdered indigenous women and girls, said that the mere fact that he can apply is disgusting. She also stated, \u201cOur justice system is horrific. It's racist and puts Indigenous women's lives in danger...It makes me sick to my stomach.\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246358\" data-originallang=\"en\">She said that no one involved in the justice system informed victims' families that Pickton's day parole eligibility date was approaching, and she found out only after talking with a lawyer she knows.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246359\" data-originallang=\"en\">This has to stop. I want to thank colleagues in the House for their unanimous support, because it is an opportunity for us to do something that is right, and we can do it now.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8246347\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, je tiens \u00e0 dire que je me sens tr\u00e8s touch\u00e9 et tr\u00e8s heureux d\u2019\u00eatre ici ce soir.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246348\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons entendu les discours et les observations des d\u00e9put\u00e9s au sujet de ce projet de loi. Au lieu de parler des crimes, nous avons eu l\u2019occasion de parler des victimes et de leurs familles. Je profite de l\u2019occasion pour remercier sinc\u00e8rement mes coll\u00e8gues de la Chambre des communes. Je tiens aussi \u00e0 remercier les victimes et leurs familles de la force dont elles ont fait preuve et de leurs efforts pour faire valoir leurs droits. Nous avons notamment entendu le nom de Lisa Freeman \u00e0 quelques reprises. Elle habite dans ma circonscription et, avec une t\u00e9nacit\u00e9 et une d\u00e9termination incroyables, elle a contribu\u00e9 \u00e0 ce que le projet de loi voit le jour ici.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246349\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme l\u2019a dit ma coll\u00e8gue d\u2019<a data-HoCid=\"278208\" href=\"/politicians/leslyn-lewis/\" title=\"Leslyn Lewis\">Haldimand\u2014Norfolk</a>: \u00ab Savoir, c\u2019est pouvoir. \u00bb Ce projet de loi apporterait une modification tr\u00e8s simple \u00e0 la Loi sur le syst\u00e8me correctionnel et la mise en libert\u00e9 sous condition en ce qui concerne la divulgation de renseignements aux victimes. Il assurerait un plus grand respect et une plus grande transparence aux familles et aux victimes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246350\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je conviens que c\u2019est un petit changement. Toutefois, nous avons entendu des exemples qui prouvent que, dans la situation actuelle, les criminels obtiennent plus de soutien du syst\u00e8me que les victimes. Il faut renverser la vapeur.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246351\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Les droits des criminels ne devraient jamais avoir pr\u00e9s\u00e9ance sur ceux des victimes, mais cela semble toujours \u00eatre le cas. C'est notre travail de prot\u00e9ger les droits des victimes. Cela ne devrait jamais \u00eatre le travail de la famille. Lorsque des personnes sont assassin\u00e9s, c'est une peine \u00e0 perp\u00e9tuit\u00e9 qui est inflig\u00e9e \u00e0 leur famille. Il y a le traumatisme mental et le co\u00fbt, et cela ne dispara\u00eet jamais. Le moins que l'on puisse faire, c'est d'\u00eatre plus transparents quant \u00e0 la fa\u00e7on dont on s'occupe des criminels qui ont fait basculer leur vie pour toujours.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246352\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Comme nous l'avons entendu dans certains discours, nous n'allons pas r\u00e9gler tous ces graves probl\u00e8mes avec ce seul projet de loi, mais je pense que nous pouvons tous convenir que le syst\u00e8me doit \u00eatre rajust\u00e9. Les droits des victimes doivent \u00eatre \u00e9gaux ou, plut\u00f4t, ils devraient toujours \u00eatre sup\u00e9rieurs \u00e0 ceux des criminels.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246353\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Voil\u00e0 o\u00f9 nous en sommes, chers coll\u00e8gues. Un tueur pourrait \u00eatre remis en libert\u00e9 dans la collectivit\u00e9 o\u00f9 vivent ses victimes, selon le bon vouloir de son \u00e9quipe de gestion de cas, et c'est seulement apr\u00e8s coup qu'on aurait \u00e0 expliquer aux victimes comment la d\u00e9cision a \u00e9t\u00e9 prise ou pour quand la lib\u00e9ration est pr\u00e9vue. Je sais que tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s seront d'accord pour dire que c'est inadmissible. Les victimes ne devraient pas avoir \u00e0 se battre ann\u00e9e apr\u00e8s ann\u00e9e simplement pour garder les meurtriers les plus impitoyables l\u00e0 o\u00f9 ils devraient \u00eatre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246354\" data-originallang=\"en\"> En raison du principe de r\u00e9adaptation, les victimes d'actes criminels sont souvent forc\u00e9es \u00e0 rester en retrait et \u00e0 regarder les d\u00e9linquants violents exercer leurs droits, ce qui, pour la plupart d'entre elles, n'est rien d'autre qu'un simulacre de justice en d\u00e9pit du bon sens le plus \u00e9l\u00e9mentaire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246355\" data-originallang=\"en\">Tout au long du d\u00e9bat, nous avons pu donner la parole aux familles des victimes. Je voudrais juste ajouter un exemple plus r\u00e9cent, parce qu'il est tr\u00e8s important que nous adoptions le projet de loi tout de suite, d\u00e8s que possible. La semaine derni\u00e8re, nous avons appris que Robert Pickton, un meurtrier accus\u00e9 d'avoir tu\u00e9 26 femmes et reconnu coupable de la mort de six d'entre elles, est d\u00e9sormais admissible \u00e0 la semi-libert\u00e9. J'aimerais lire quelques t\u00e9moignages des familles.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246356\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une cousine de l'une des victimes de Robert Pickton a d\u00e9clar\u00e9: \u00ab Le fait qu'il puisse pr\u00e9senter une demande est horrible. \u00bb C'est ce qu'a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 Mme Williams mercredi, avant la veill\u00e9e aux chandelles organis\u00e9e pr\u00e8s de l'ancienne ferme de Pickton. Elle a ajout\u00e9: \u00ab Cela m'a compl\u00e8tement d\u00e9concert\u00e9e. Je ne le savais pas et les autres familles dont je suis proche ne le savaient pas non plus. \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246357\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il est extr\u00eamement improbable que M. Pickton soit un jour lib\u00e9r\u00e9, mais Mme Williams, qui d\u00e9fend farouchement la cause des femmes et des filles autochtones port\u00e9es disparues et assassin\u00e9es, a d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que le simple fait qu'il puisse pr\u00e9senter une demande \u00e9tait r\u00e9voltant. Elle a \u00e9galement d\u00e9clar\u00e9: \u00ab Le syst\u00e8me judiciaire est horrible. Il est raciste et met en danger la vie des femmes autochtones [...] Cela me rend malade. \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246358\" data-originallang=\"en\">Elle a dit que personne dans le syst\u00e8me de justice n\u2019avait inform\u00e9 les familles des victimes que la date d\u2019admissibilit\u00e9 \u00e0 la semi-libert\u00e9 de Pickton approchait, et qu'elle ne l\u2019avait appris qu\u2019apr\u00e8s avoir parl\u00e9 \u00e0 un avocat qu\u2019elle conna\u00eet.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8246359\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il faut que cela cesse. Je tiens \u00e0 remercier mes coll\u00e8gues \u00e0 la Chambre de leur appui unanime, car c'est l'occasion pour nous de faire quelque chose de bien, et ce, d\u00e8s maintenant.</p>"
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"en": "Corrections and Conditional Release Act",
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