Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2023-06-15 16:35:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Mark Holland",
        "fr": "L\u2019hon. Mark Holland"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7866016\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I will start with the hockey analogy, because I think it is an apt one. Members can imagine a circumstance where there was a change, where there was an option to play hockey outdoors or play hockey indoors, either option was available, and someone chose every single day to play hockey indoors, but then came and said that playing hockey indoors is evil, awful and terrible. It is the worst thing to do, yet they keep showing up to the indoor arena. That is the actual analogy here.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866017\" data-originallang=\"en\">There is an option. If one does not want to use hybrid, they do not have to use hybrid. They can show up and vote in person, and they can participate in person every single day, but that is not the choice the Conservatives make. The choice they make is to use the virtual functions when they do not have to. That is the point I am making.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866018\" data-originallang=\"en\">The consensus is found in the utilization of all of it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866019\" data-originallang=\"en\">I certainly hope it is not the case, but if there is Conservative government one day, and that government decides with another party to get rid of these provisions, then it can. However, I am saying there are so many circumstances, such as what we talked about with Chuck Cadman. We talked about what his wife, Dona Cadman, said. We can talk about my good friend, Arnold Chan, one of the closest people in my life, whom I had to watch drag himself into this chamber with no option other than to be here, sick. We could talk about Mauril B\u00e9langer. The list could go on and on. I have not even heard from the members how they would accommodate at least that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866020\" data-originallang=\"en\">In the reverse, what we have seen is that when the opposition has had issues, like saying ministers should be present in question period, we agreed. When they said chairs of committees must be present for accountability and in order for committees to function and work, we said \u201cyes\u201d. When they made actual constructive suggestions, we listened to them, and we will continue to listen to them.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7866016\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, je vais commencer par faire une analogie avec le hockey que je trouve tr\u00e8s pertinente. Imaginons une situation o\u00f9 il serait possible de jouer au hockey \u00e0 l\u2019ext\u00e9rieur ou \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur. Imaginons que quelqu\u2019un choisit chaque jour de jouer au hockey \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur, mais qu\u2019il vient ensuite affirmer que jouer au hockey \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur est mauvais, affreux, horrible. Il affirme que c\u2019est la pire chose \u00e0 faire, et pourtant il continue \u00e0 se pr\u00e9senter \u00e0 l\u2019ar\u00e9na int\u00e9rieur. Voil\u00e0 qui ressemble \u00e0 ce que nous entendons dans cette enceinte.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866017\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les gens ont le choix. S\u2019ils ne veulent pas participer aux travaux par vid\u00e9oconf\u00e9rence, ils ne sont pas oblig\u00e9s de le faire. Ils peuvent se pr\u00e9senter, participer et voter en pr\u00e9sentiel tous les jours. Malheureusement, ce n\u2019est pas ce que les conservateurs ont choisi de faire. Ils ont d\u00e9cid\u00e9 d\u2019avoir recours \u00e0 aux outils de participation \u00e0 distance, m\u00eame lorsqu\u2019ils n\u2019y sont pas oblig\u00e9s. Voil\u00e0 ce que je voulais dire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866018\" data-originallang=\"en\">L'utilisation de ces outils nous permet d'arriver \u00e0 un consensus.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866019\" data-originallang=\"en\">J\u2019esp\u00e8re bien que ce ne sera pas le cas, mais si un jour un gouvernement conservateur est au pouvoir et qu\u2019il d\u00e9cide avec un autre parti de se d\u00e9barrasser de ces dispositions, il pourra le faire. Cependant, il y a tellement d\u2019impond\u00e9rables. Nous avons parl\u00e9 du cas de Chuck Cadman. Nous avons parl\u00e9 de ce qu\u2019a dit son \u00e9pouse, Dona Cadman. Nous pouvons parler aussi de mon tr\u00e8s cher ami, Arnold Chan, que j\u2019ai vu se tra\u00eener dans cette enceinte sans autre choix que de s\u2019y pr\u00e9senter, \u00e9cras\u00e9 par la maladie. On pourrait parler de Mauril B\u00e9langer. La liste serait longue. Je n\u2019ai m\u00eame pas entendu nos coll\u00e8gues d'en face nous dire ce qu'ils feraient pour accommoder des d\u00e9put\u00e9s dans de pareilles situations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7866020\" data-originallang=\"en\">D\u2019un autre c\u00f4t\u00e9, nous avons constat\u00e9 que lorsque les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de l\u2019opposition ont exprim\u00e9 des objections, par exemple, lorsqu\u2019ils ont affirm\u00e9 que les ministres devaient \u00eatre pr\u00e9sents \u00e0 la p\u00e9riode des questions, nous avons \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u2019accord. Lorsqu\u2019ils ont dit que les pr\u00e9sidents des comit\u00e9s devaient \u00eatre pr\u00e9sents pour rendre des comptes et pour que les comit\u00e9s puissent fonctionner et travailler, nous avons dit oui. Lorsqu\u2019ils ont fait des suggestions constructives, nous les avons \u00e9cout\u00e9s et nous continuerons \u00e0 les \u00e9couter.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2023/6/15/mark-holland-27/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/mark-holland/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4263/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "12297300",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": "Ordres \u00e9manant du gouvernement"
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Government Business No. 26\u2014Amendments to the Standing Orders",
        "fr": "L'affaire \u00e9manant du gouvernement no 26 \u2014 Les modifications au R\u00e8glement"
    },
    "h3": {
        "en": "Motion That Debate Be Not Further Adjourned",
        "fr": "Motion portant que le d\u00e9bat ne soit plus ajourn\u00e9"
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2023/6/15/",
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}