Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2023-05-09 15:10:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Mark Holland",
        "fr": "L\u2019hon. Mark Holland"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7759247\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, as I was saying, we live in an extraordinarily challenging time. I would say it is also a privileged time. We get an opportunity to defend democracy here and to join in camaraderie with other democratic nations in ensuring that democracies thrive in pressure as the shadow of autocracy attempts to do great damage to our democracies. When we go back in time, the issue of foreign interference is not new. It is something that has existed for a long time.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759248\" data-originallang=\"en\">As I referenced today in question period, when I was the critic for public safety, after Justice Iacobucci issued his report building on Justice O'Connor's report, there were essential recommendations, and both justices spoke at that time of the imperative nature of action and specifically the imperative nature of establishing a committee of parliamentarians that would have the opportunity to look into every aspect of security and intelligence.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759249\" data-originallang=\"en\">Unfortunately, for years, those recommendations were not acted upon, and not only those recommendations, but many others. I am not going to enumerate them all, but it is fair to say that upon getting the privilege of becoming Canada's government, we immediately acted to create that committee of parliamentarians to make sure that every member of Parliament, regardless of what party they are from, has the opportunity to look into every aspect of security and intelligence so that they can know that there is no aspect of our security and intelligence that is under any shield.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759250\" data-originallang=\"en\">On the important matter we are debating now, we respect the Speaker's ruling, and we are taking important action to deal with the foreign interference we are seeing. We saw the <a data-HoCid=\"278918\" href=\"/politicians/melanie-joly/\" title=\"M\u00e9lanie Joly\">Minister of Foreign Affairs</a> declare the diplomat in question a <em>persona non grata</em>. The <a data-HoCid=\"278921\" href=\"/politicians/marco-mendicino/\" title=\"Marco Mendicino\">Minister of Public Safety</a> has made it clear on numerous occasions that we will not accept any form of foreign interference in our country and that any foreign interference would be met with strict action that is taken proportionately and deliberately. One of the things that are so important is that as events unfold, it is important for us to validate facts, to have conversations, to fully think out the consequences of actions, and then to act, as we have in this case.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759251\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have been debating this important motion already for 12 hours, and I do not need to remind members that the purpose is not to have a debate in this chamber, but to move it to the procedure and House affairs committee, which can do its important work and make recommendations. The longer we debate this matter, the more we simply do not have the opportunity to get what the members of the opposition in the Conservative Party are saying they want, which is recommendations, answers and actions. That is what we continue to focus on. The longer we are here and the more speeches we have, and we are already at 12 hours, not only do we not have an opportunity to act at PROC on that matter, but it stops this House from dealing with extremely important issues.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759252\" data-originallang=\"en\">One of the things that were displaced was Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11558854\" href=\"/bills/44-1/S-5/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999, to make related amendments to the Food and Drugs Act and to repeal the Perfluorooctane Sulfonate Virtual Elimination Act\">S-5</a> and the debate we are having on the amendments to CEPA, which are putting forward incredibly important improvements to our Environmental Protection Act to make sure we are there and taking action on the environment. This is also stopping us from being able to take action on firearms and ghost guns, which we are hearing, from across the country\u2014</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7759247\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, comme je le disais, nous vivons une \u00e9poque extraordinairement troubl\u00e9e. Je dirais n\u00e9anmoins que nous avons aussi la chance de vivre cette p\u00e9riode. Nous avons en effet l'occasion de d\u00e9fendre la d\u00e9mocratie au pays et de nous joindre aux autres nations d\u00e9mocratiques pour veiller \u00e0 ce que les d\u00e9mocraties s'\u00e9panouissent alors que l'ombre que fait planer l'autocratie menace de les endommager gravement. Si on remonte dans le temps, on constate que la question de l'ing\u00e9rence \u00e9trang\u00e8re n'a rien de nouveau. Elle existe depuis fort longtemps. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759248\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme je l'ai mentionn\u00e9 aujourd'hui lors de la p\u00e9riode des questions, j'ai \u00e9t\u00e9 porte-parole en mati\u00e8re de s\u00e9curit\u00e9 publique, apr\u00e8s que le juge Iacobucci a pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 son rapport fond\u00e9 sur celui du juge O'Connor. Ces rapports formulaient des recommandations essentielles, et les deux juges avaient parl\u00e9 de l'importance capitale d'agir et, plus pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment, de l'importance capitale d'\u00e9tablir un comit\u00e9 de parlementaires qui serait en mesure d'\u00e9tudier tout ce qui concerne la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et le renseignement. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759249\" data-originallang=\"en\">Malheureusement, pendant des ann\u00e9es, ces recommandations n'ont pas \u00e9t\u00e9 appliqu\u00e9es, et pas seulement ces recommandations, mais bien d'autres. Je ne vais pas toutes les \u00e9num\u00e9rer, mais il est juste de dire que lorsque nous avons eu le privil\u00e8ge de former le gouvernement du Canada, nous avons imm\u00e9diatement pris des mesures pour cr\u00e9er ce comit\u00e9 de parlementaires afin de garantir que chaque d\u00e9put\u00e9, quel que soit son parti, ait la possibilit\u00e9 de v\u00e9rifier tous les aspects de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 et du renseignement, de mani\u00e8re \u00e0 ce qu'il sache qu'aucun de ces aspects n'est plac\u00e9 sous le sceau du secret.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759250\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui concerne la question importante dont nous d\u00e9battons actuellement, nous respectons la d\u00e9cision du Pr\u00e9sident et nous prenons des mesures importantes pour faire face \u00e0 l'ing\u00e9rence \u00e9trang\u00e8re dont nous sommes t\u00e9moins. Nous avons vu la <a data-HoCid=\"278918\" href=\"/politicians/melanie-joly/\" title=\"M\u00e9lanie Joly\">ministre des Affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res</a> d\u00e9clarer que le diplomate en question \u00e9tait <em>persona non grata</em>. Le <a data-HoCid=\"278921\" href=\"/politicians/marco-mendicino/\" title=\"Marco Mendicino\">ministre de la S\u00e9curit\u00e9 publique</a> a fait savoir \u00e0 maintes reprises que nous n'accepterions aucune forme d'ing\u00e9rence \u00e9trang\u00e8re dans notre pays et que toute ing\u00e9rence \u00e9trang\u00e8re ferait l'objet de mesures strictes, prises de mani\u00e8re proportionn\u00e9e et d\u00e9lib\u00e9r\u00e9e. L'une des choses les plus importantes est qu'au fur et \u00e0 mesure que les \u00e9v\u00e9nements se d\u00e9roulent, il est important pour nous de valider les faits, d'avoir des conversations, de r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir pleinement aux cons\u00e9quences des actions, puis d'agir, comme nous l'avons fait dans ce cas.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759251\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous d\u00e9battons de cette motion importante depuis 12 heures d\u00e9j\u00e0, et je n'ai pas besoin de rappeler aux d\u00e9put\u00e9s que le but n'est pas de tenir un d\u00e9bat \u00e0 la Chambre, mais bien de soumettre le tout au comit\u00e9 de la proc\u00e9dure et des affaires de la Chambre, qui peut faire ce travail important et formuler des recommandations. Plus nous en d\u00e9battons, moins nous aurons l'occasion d'obtenir ce que les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de l'opposition conservatrice disent vouloir, soit des recommandations, des r\u00e9ponses et des mesures. C'est l\u00e0\u2011dessus que nous continuons de nous concentrer. Plus nous restons en Chambre \u00e0 tenir des discours \u2014 ce que nous faisons depuis 12 heures d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u2014, moins nous aurons l'occasion d'agir au sein du comit\u00e9 de la proc\u00e9dure sur la question, sans compter que, pendant ce temps, la Chambre ne traite pas de questions extr\u00eamement importantes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7759252\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11558854\" href=\"/bills/44-1/S-5/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999, to make related amendments to the Food and Drugs Act and to repeal the Perfluorooctane Sulfonate Virtual Elimination Act\">S\u20115</a> est l'une des choses qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 repouss\u00e9es, tout comme le d\u00e9bat que nous avons sur les modifications \u00e0 la Loi canadienne sur la protection de l'environnement, destin\u00e9es \u00e0 apporter des am\u00e9liorations essentielles \u00e0 cette loi pour nous assurer de pouvoir agir en mati\u00e8re d'environnement. Nous sommes \u00e9galement incapables d'agir dans le dossier des armes \u00e0 feu et des armes fant\u00f4mes, ce dont il est question, partout au pays...</p>"
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    "url": "/debates/2023/5/9/mark-holland-6/",
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    "h1": {
        "en": "Oral Questions",
        "fr": "Questions orales"
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    "h2": {
        "en": "Privilege",
        "fr": "Privil\u00e8ge"
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    "h3": {
        "en": "Reference to Standing Committee on Procedure and House Affairs",
        "fr": "Le renvoi au Comit\u00e9 permanent de la proc\u00e9dure et des affaires de la Chambre"
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