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{
    "time": "2023-12-04 17:55:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mrs. Shannon Stubbs",
        "fr": "Mme Shannon Stubbs"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8084693\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, maybe I will just summarize by saying that at COP28, they are globally discussing and planning for an economic policy, including, and chief among them, the just transition. Maybe the member should be a little more worried about the fact that the host of COP28 says, \u201cThere is no science out there, or no scenario out there, that says the phase-out of fossil fuel is what's going to achieve 1.5\u00baC.\u201d He says, when people are asking for a phase-out of fossil fuels, \u201c Please help me. Show me...for a phase-out of fossil fuel that will allow for sustainable socioeconomic development, unless you want to take the world back into caves.\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8084694\" data-originallang=\"en\">I hear them laughing, because they probably have a claim to make about green-washing, but they cannot stand up and justify all of their decisions based on COP28 on the one hand but then litigate it on the other.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8084693\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, je r\u00e9sumerai simplement en disant qu'\u00e0 la COP28, les participants discutent et planifient \u00e0 l'\u00e9chelle mondiale une politique \u00e9conomique qui comprend la transition \u00e9quitable, et celle-ci figure en t\u00eate de liste. Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 devrait peut-\u00eatre s'inqui\u00e9ter du fait que le pr\u00e9sident de la COP28 a d\u00e9clar\u00e9: \u00ab Aucune \u00e9tude scientifique, aucun sc\u00e9nario, ne dit que la sortie des \u00e9nergies fossiles nous permettra d\u2019atteindre 1,5 degr\u00e9 Celsius. \u00bb Ensuite, quand les gens parlent d'une \u00e9limination progressive des hydrocarbures, il r\u00e9pond: \u00ab Aidez-moi. Montrez-moi la feuille de route d\u2019un abandon graduel des \u00e9nergies fossiles qui soit compatible avec le d\u00e9veloppement socio\u00e9conomique, sans renvoyer le monde \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e2ge des cavernes. \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8084694\" data-originallang=\"en\"> J'entends les d\u00e9put\u00e9s d'en face rire, mais c'est parce qu'ils vont probablement crier \u00e0 l'\u00e9coblanchiment. Ils ne peuvent pas prendre la parole pour d\u00e9fendre toutes leurs d\u00e9cisions qui reposent sur la COP28 et, en m\u00eame temps, contester la COP28.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2023/12/4/shannon-stubbs-8/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/shannon-stubbs/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4398/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "12485022",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": "Ordres \u00e9manant du gouvernement"
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Government Business No. 31\u2014Proceedings on Bill C-50",
        "fr": "L'affaire \u00e9manant du gouvernement no 31 \u2014 Les d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations sur le projet de loi C-50"
    },
    "h3": {
        "en": "Consideration of Government Business No. 31",
        "fr": "L'\u00e9tude de l'affaire \u00e9manant du gouvernement no 31"
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2023/12/4/",
    "related": {
        "document_speeches_url": "/speeches/?document=%2Fdebates%2F2023%2F12%2F4%2F"
    }
}