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    "time": "2023-11-22 18:40:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Rick Perkins (South Shore\u2014St. Margarets, CPC)",
        "fr": "M. Rick Perkins (South Shore\u2014St. Margarets, PCC)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8054396\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I am pleased to rise today on the discussion about the report from the Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs and International Trade entitled, \u201cThe Russian State's Illegal War of Aggression Against Ukraine\u201d.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054397\" data-originallang=\"en\">As Canadians know, Conservatives have always stood with Ukraine. Those who have had the pleasure of hearing at committee some stories from my personal history will have heard that, back in 1991, when the Soviet Union was collapsing, I was the senior adviser to Canada's foreign minister.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054398\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I can remember the weekend that I spent on the phone with the Prime Minister's Office, the Privy Council Office and former deputy prime minister Don Mazankowski, the first Ukrainian deputy prime minister of Canada, discussing what we should do. The Soviet Union had not quite collapsed, and Mikhail Gorbachev was trying to institute his glasnost reforms. It looked like, within a few weeks, there would be a collapse.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054399\" data-originallang=\"en\">We had a long discussion about recognizing Ukraine first. We were the party that recognized Ukraine on that weekend, December 2, and we were the first country in the world to recognize Ukraine as an independent country, separate from the old Soviet Union. That was a momentous thing because, of course, we have a large diaspora of Ukrainians in Canada. I am proud to have played a very small and minor role as a senior adviser to the then minister of foreign affairs, Hon. Barbara McDougall, when we did that. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054400\" data-originallang=\"en\">We do support all of the recommendations in this report, but I would like to draw attention to a couple of particular interest to us. The previous speaker spoke about recommendations 12 and 13, and I will come to that, but I would like to focus a little on recommendation 8, which says:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054401\" data-originallang=\"en\"> That the Government of Canada work with its international and domestic partners to improve the coordinated implementation and enforcement of sanctions against Russia, by working to identify all assets connected to designated persons and closing any loopholes that may exist. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054402\" data-originallang=\"en\">There are a lot of loopholes that still exist today. Not to toot my own horn, but I worked on creating the legislation the Government of Canada still uses today back in 1991, when there was the coup in Haiti. We wanted to impose economic sanctions, globally through the OAS and then through the UN, on Haiti and the illegal coup of Haiti's first democratically elected president.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054403\" data-originallang=\"en\"> There was no power to quickly impose economic sanctions. We quickly created within about four days a piece of legislation that was introduced and passed unanimously through the House and Senate within about 48 hours to create a bill that gave the Governor in Council the power to quickly move and impose economic sanctions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054404\" data-originallang=\"en\">We know these sanctions are leaking, and I have raised this before in committee. I said it as a member of the fisheries committee. While the government has targeted specific individuals, and all of those are justified, what it has not done is looked at the leakiness of the sanctions overall. I have an example that has had a very large impact on Atlantic Canada. The snow crab fishery is a very big fishery off Newfoundland, and 52% of the crab fishery caught in Newfoundland was, until this war happened last year, bought by Japan, through contracts.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054405\" data-originallang=\"en\">When the war broke out and Russia was desperate for cash, it started to sell their snow crab at a much cheaper price on the global markets. Most countries respected the fact that that money would be used for fuelling Putin's illegal war and did not bite. Japan did bite, broke every contract in Newfoundland and stopped buying all their snow crab from Newfoundland. Now Japan buys most of their snow crab from Russia, helping to fund their war.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054406\" data-originallang=\"en\">The minister and the Liberal government have never raised those kinds of issues with counterparts. We have raised them with the minister, and the minister was totally unaware that this had happened.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054407\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is not unusual for a Liberal minister to be unaware, but one would think that, when we are dealing with sanctions in a war, it is not just about the individuals but is about the flow of cash that is going in by buying goods of our G7 allies.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054408\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would also like to comment on recommendation 12, which reads, \u201cThat the Government of Canada not grant a sanctions waiver to Siemens Energy Canada Limited for Nord Stream 1 pipeline turbines....\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054409\" data-originallang=\"en\">Remember, with the turbine, Russia did this fake thing about needing the turbine for the pipeline that brought natural gas and oil into Europe. It brought in a need for repair, and the government said it was no problem, to bring it in here and we would repair it. Then the war broke out and Russia said it wanted it back in order to facilitate the continued supply of that oil and natural gas, supposedly. The government acquiesced, granted a waiver, sent it back to Russia and allowed it to continue to ship oil and natural gas to fund its war.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054410\" data-originallang=\"en\">In fact, if we look at some of the testimony in this report, it quite clearly shows that a number of witnesses were flabbergasted the Government of Canada would allow such fakery to happen. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054411\" data-originallang=\"en\">In addition, in a rare moment of clarity on the liquefied natural gas issue, the <a data-HoCid=\"299995\" href=\"/politicians/jonathan-wilkinson/\" title=\"Jonathan Wilkinson\">Minister of Natural Resources</a> said at the time, and this is from page 31 of the unanimous report, that he could not \u201coveremphasize the depth of concern on the part of the Germans, but also on the part of the European Union, with respect to the potential implications associated with their effectively not being able to access natural gas.\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054412\" data-originallang=\"en\">The report goes on:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054413\" data-originallang=\"en\"> In addition to the concerns expressed by Germany and the EU, the Minister [of Natural Resources] noted that, in conversations had with the United States, \u201cthey reflected and shared the concerns about the divisions that could end up undermining support for Ukraine....\u201d </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054414\" data-originallang=\"en\">That was the Liberal <a data-HoCid=\"299995\" href=\"/politicians/jonathan-wilkinson/\" title=\"Jonathan Wilkinson\">minister</a>, but yet when the Chancellor of Germany came to Canada and Germany was begging for our natural gas to deal with the issue of the impact on energy supply in Europe because of this illegal war, the <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">Prime Minister</a> said that there was no business case to ship it oil.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054415\" data-originallang=\"en\">Maybe there is a case to get it done because there is a war on, but of course we were not ready to do that. When the <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">Prime Minister</a> and these Liberals came to power in 2015, there were 15 LNG plants on the books. As they progressed with their agenda, their no-pipelines bill, Bill <a data-HoCid=\"9630600\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-69/\" title=\"An Act to enact the Impact Assessment Act and the Canadian Energy Regulator Act, to amend the Navigation Protection Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts\">C-69</a>, or the \u201cno capital bill\u201d, as I call it, to drive capital out of Canada, we have how many? I am sure there are members here who could tell me how many have been built since those 15 were proposed and going through the environmental system.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054416\" data-originallang=\"en\">I hear a colleague say zero. Maybe the true answer the <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">Prime Minister</a> should have given the Chancellor of Germany is that he messed up and that he was not ready to deal with the issue of making sure good, clean, ethical Canadian natural gas could be accessed by Europe, which has become totally dependent on Russia, in case of emergencies. Unfortunately, that was not his answer. He glibly said that there was no business case for it. I am not sure the <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">Prime Minister</a> has actually ever read a business plan, but he told the Chancellor that, and so Germany went and obtained the natural gas it needed from dirty dictatorships. That is the great foreign policy we have had.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054417\" data-originallang=\"en\">My colleague mentioned the fact that if the Liberals were truly interested in supporting Ukraine, they would have put provisions in the free trade bill to enable and foster the ability of our country to supply more munitions to Ukraine and to manufacture them. In fact, if there is a gap in political risk insurance by the EDC, it is easy for the Government of Canada to show its commitment to Ukraine by using the Canada account to help Canadian munitions manufacturers located in Germany and deal with the risk insurance issue. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054418\" data-originallang=\"en\">Have the Liberals used the Canada account to do that? No, so their commitment to Ukraine is, like all other things, fairly superficial and not done with the seriousness one would expect from an ally of an important democratic country in this world and of our diaspora of 1.5 million Ukrainians in Canada who expect more from the government.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8054396\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, je suis heureux de prendre la parole aujourd'hui au sujet du rapport du Comit\u00e9 permanent des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res et du d\u00e9veloppement international intitul\u00e9 \u00ab La guerre d'agression ill\u00e9gale de l'\u00c9tat russe contre l'Ukraine \u00bb.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054397\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme les Canadiens le savent, les conservateurs ont toujours appuy\u00e9 l'Ukraine. Ceux qui ont eu le plaisir de m'entendre relater mon exp\u00e9rience personnelle au comit\u00e9 se rappelleront que, en 1991, au moment o\u00f9 l'Union sovi\u00e9tique s'effondrait, j'\u00e9tais conseiller principal de la ministre des Affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res du Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054398\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je me souviens de la fin de semaine que j'ai pass\u00e9e au t\u00e9l\u00e9phone avec le Cabinet du premier ministre, le Bureau du Conseil priv\u00e9 et l'ancien vice-premier ministre Don Mazankowski, le premier vice-premier ministre d'origine ukrainienne du Canada, pour discuter de ce que nous devrions faire. L'Union sovi\u00e9tique ne s'\u00e9tait pas encore tout \u00e0 fait effondr\u00e9e, et Mikha\u00efl Gorbatchev tentait de mettre en \u0153uvre ses r\u00e9formes de la glasnost. Tout portait \u00e0 croire que l'effondrement surviendrait \u00e0 l'int\u00e9rieur de quelques semaines.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054399\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons discut\u00e9 longuement de l'id\u00e9e d'\u00eatre les premiers \u00e0 reconna\u00eetre l'Ukraine. Ce week-end, le 2 d\u00e9cembre, nous avons \u00e9t\u00e9 le premier parti \u00e0 reconna\u00eetre l'Ukraine, et nous avons \u00e9t\u00e9 le premier pays au monde \u00e0 reconna\u00eetre que l'Ukraine \u00e9tait un pays ind\u00e9pendant et distinct de l'ex-Union sovi\u00e9tique. Ce fut un moment m\u00e9morable, car il y a bien entendu une importante diaspora ukrainienne au Canada. Je suis fier d'avoir jou\u00e9 un tr\u00e8s petit r\u00f4le en tant que conseiller principal de Barbara McDougall, qui \u00e9tait alors ministre des Affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res, lorsque cette d\u00e9cision a \u00e9t\u00e9 prise. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054400\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous appuyons toutes les recommandations contenues dans le rapport, mais j'aimerais attirer l'attention des d\u00e9put\u00e9s sur quelques-unes, qui nous int\u00e9ressent tout particuli\u00e8rement. L'intervenant pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent a parl\u00e9 des recommandations n<sup>os</sup> 12 et 13, et j'y reviendrai, mais j'aimerais me concentrer un instant sur la recommandation n<sup>o</sup> 8, qui dit ceci:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054401\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Que le gouvernement du Canada collabore avec ses partenaires internationaux et nationaux pour am\u00e9liorer la mise en \u0153uvre et l\u2019application coordonn\u00e9es des sanctions contre la Russie, en s\u2019effor\u00e7ant de d\u00e9terminer tous les avoirs li\u00e9s aux personnes d\u00e9sign\u00e9es et en comblant les lacunes qui pourraient exister. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054402\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il reste encore beaucoup de lacunes \u00e0 combler aujourd'hui. Je ne le dis pas pour me vanter, mais j'ai contribu\u00e9 \u00e0 l'\u00e9laboration de la mesure l\u00e9gislative que le gouvernement du Canada utilise toujours. C'\u00e9tait en 1991, lors du coup d'\u00c9tat \u00e0 Ha\u00efti. Par l'entremise de l'Organisation des \u00c9tats am\u00e9ricains, puis des Nations unies, nous voulions imposer des sanctions \u00e9conomiques \u00e0 Ha\u00efti, \u00e0 la suite du coup d'\u00c9tat pour renverser le premier pr\u00e9sident d\u00e9mocratiquement \u00e9lu du pays.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054403\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il n'y avait pas de cadre qui nous autorisait \u00e0 imposer rapidement des sanctions \u00e9conomiques. Nous avons \u00e9labor\u00e9 une mesure l\u00e9gislative en environ quatre jours seulement. Elle a \u00e9t\u00e9 pr\u00e9sent\u00e9e et adopt\u00e9e \u00e0 l'unanimit\u00e9, tant \u00e0 la Chambre qu'au S\u00e9nat, en quelque 48 heures. Le gouverneur en conseil a ainsi obtenu le pouvoir de pr\u00e9senter et d'imposer des sanctions \u00e9conomiques rapidement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054404\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous savons que ces sanctions comportent des br\u00e8ches, et j'en ai parl\u00e9 en comit\u00e9. Je l'ai dit en tant que membre du comit\u00e9 des p\u00eaches. M\u00eame si le gouvernement a cibl\u00e9 des personnes en particulier \u2014 et c'\u00e9tait justifi\u00e9 dans tous les cas \u2014, il ne s'est pas pench\u00e9 sur les lacunes qui permettent de contourner les sanctions en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. Je vais donner un exemple qui a eu d'\u00e9normes r\u00e9percussions sur les provinces de l'Atlantique. La p\u00eache au crabe des neiges est une p\u00eache tr\u00e8s importante \u00e0 Terre\u2011Neuve, et 52 % de ces prises, avant que la guerre \u00e9clate l'an pass\u00e9, \u00e9taient vendues au Japon, par l'entremise de contrats.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054405\" data-originallang=\"en\">Lorsque la guerre a \u00e9clat\u00e9 et que la Russie avait d\u00e9sesp\u00e9r\u00e9ment besoin d'argent, elle a commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 vendre du crabe des neiges \u00e0 un prix nettement inf\u00e9rieur sur le march\u00e9 mondial. Conscients que cet argent servirait \u00e0 financer la guerre ill\u00e9gale de Poutine, la plupart des pays n'ont pas mordu \u00e0 l'hame\u00e7on. En revanche, le Japon, c\u00e9dant \u00e0 la tentation, a r\u00e9sili\u00e9 tous les contrats qu'il avait conclus avec Terre\u2011Neuve et a cess\u00e9 de s'approvisionner en crabe des neiges de cette r\u00e9gion. Aujourd'hui, le Japon importe principalement du crabe des neiges de Russie, l'aidant ainsi \u00e0 financer sa guerre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054406\" data-originallang=\"en\">La ministre et le gouvernement lib\u00e9ral n'ont jamais abord\u00e9 ces questions avec leurs homologues. Bien que nous ayons abord\u00e9 le sujet avec la ministre, cette derni\u00e8re n'\u00e9tait absolument pas au courant de la situation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054407\" data-originallang=\"en\">Qu'un ministre lib\u00e9ral soit mal renseign\u00e9 n'a rien d'inhabituel. On penserait toutefois que lorsqu'il est question de sanctions dans un contexte de guerre, on s'int\u00e9resserait non seulement aux responsables, mais \u00e9galement \u00e0 l'afflux de fonds, et qu'on privil\u00e9gierait donc l'approvisionnement aupr\u00e8s de nos alli\u00e9s du G7.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054408\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais \u00e9galement parler de la recommandation 12, qui dit: \u00ab Que le gouvernement du Canada n\u2019accorde pas d\u2019exemption aux sanctions de Siemens Energy Canada Limited pour les turbines de l\u2019ol\u00e9oduc Nord Stream 1 [...] \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054409\" data-originallang=\"en\">Rappelons-nous que la Russie a fait semblant d'avoir besoin de cette turbine pour le pipeline qui alimente l'Europe en gaz naturel et en p\u00e9trole. Elle a fait croire qu'elle avait besoin de r\u00e9parations, et le gouvernement du Canada a dit: \u00ab Pas de probl\u00e8me, amenez-la ici et nous allons la r\u00e9parer. \u00bb Puis, la guerre a \u00e9clat\u00e9 et la Russie l'a r\u00e9clam\u00e9 pour soi-disant faciliter l'approvisionnement continu de l'Europe en p\u00e9trole et en gaz naturel. Le gouvernement du Canada a acquiesc\u00e9 \u00e0 sa demande, a accord\u00e9 une exemption aux sanctions, a renvoy\u00e9 la turbine \u00e0 la Russie et lui a ainsi permis de continuer d'exporter du p\u00e9trole et du gaz naturel pour financer sa guerre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054410\" data-originallang=\"en\">En fait, si on examine certains t\u00e9moignages qui figurent dans le rapport, on constate tr\u00e8s clairement que de nombreux t\u00e9moins \u00e9taient estomaqu\u00e9s que le gouvernement du Canada se soit ainsi laiss\u00e9 duper.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054411\" data-originallang=\"en\">De plus, dans un rare instant de lucidit\u00e9 en mati\u00e8re de gaz naturel liqu\u00e9fi\u00e9, le <a data-HoCid=\"299995\" href=\"/politicians/jonathan-wilkinson/\" title=\"Jonathan Wilkinson\">ministre des Ressources naturelles</a> avait affirm\u00e9 \u00e0 ce moment-l\u00e0 \u2014 c'est \u00e0 la page 34 du rapport unanime \u2014 qu\u2019il ne saurait trop \u00ab insister sur la profondeur de l\u2019inqui\u00e9tude des Allemands, mais aussi de l\u2019Union europ\u00e9enne, en ce qui concerne les cons\u00e9quences potentielles de l\u2019impossibilit\u00e9 pour eux d\u2019avoir acc\u00e8s \u00e0 du gaz naturel \u00bb. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054412\" data-originallang=\"en\">On peut ensuite lire ceci dans le rapport: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054413\" data-originallang=\"en\"> En plus des pr\u00e9occupations exprim\u00e9es par les gouvernements de l\u2019Allemagne et de l\u2019UE, le ministre [des Ressources naturelles] a mentionn\u00e9 que, dans le cadre de conversations avec les \u00c9tats\u2011Unis, \u00ab ils ont d\u00e9crit et communiqu\u00e9 leurs pr\u00e9occupations concernant les dissensions qui pourraient finir par miner le soutien \u00e0 l\u2019Ukraine [...] \u00bb </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"8054414\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est ce qu'a dit le <a data-HoCid=\"299995\" href=\"/politicians/jonathan-wilkinson/\" title=\"Jonathan Wilkinson\">ministre</a> lib\u00e9ral. Or, lorsque le chancelier allemand est venu au Canada, et que l'Allemagne nous suppliait de lui fournir du gaz naturel pour pallier les impacts de cette guerre ill\u00e9gale sur l'approvisionnement \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique en Europe, le <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">premier ministre</a> a pr\u00e9tendu que ce n'\u00e9tait pas une option rentable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054415\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cela aurait pu \u00eatre une option rentable en raison de la guerre en cours, mais nous n'\u00e9tions \u00e9videmment pas pr\u00eats \u00e0 acc\u00e9der \u00e0 la demande du chancelier. Lorsque le <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">premier ministre</a> et les lib\u00e9raux sont arriv\u00e9s au pouvoir en 2015, 15 usines de gaz naturel liqu\u00e9fi\u00e9 \u00e9taient pr\u00e9vues. Puis, ils ont fait avancer leur programme l\u00e9gislatif en pr\u00e9sentant leur projet de loi anti-pipelines, le <a data-HoCid=\"9630600\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-69/\" title=\"An Act to enact the Impact Assessment Act and the Canadian Energy Regulator Act, to amend the Navigation Protection Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts\">C\u201169</a>, ou le \u00ab projet de loi anti-capitaux \u00bb, comme je l'appelle, parce qu'il vise \u00e0 faire fuir les capitaux du Canada, et combien de ces usines ont vu le jour? Je suis certain qu'il y a des d\u00e9put\u00e9s ici qui pourraient me dire combien d'usines ont \u00e9t\u00e9 construites depuis qu'on a propos\u00e9 l'ouverture de ces 15 usines de gaz naturel liqu\u00e9fi\u00e9, et combien de ces projets ont fait l'objet d'une \u00e9valuation environnementale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054416\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'entends quelqu'un parmi mes coll\u00e8gues dire z\u00e9ro. Le <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">premier ministre</a> aurait peut-\u00eatre d\u00fb avouer au chancelier allemand qu'il s'\u00e9tait fourvoy\u00e9 et qu'il n'\u00e9tait pas pr\u00eat \u00e0 faire ce qui s'impose pour que l'Europe, qui est devenue totalement d\u00e9pendante de la Russie, puisse avoir acc\u00e8s \u00e0 du gaz naturel canadien de bonne qualit\u00e9, propre et \u00e9thique en cas d'urgence. Malheureusement, ce n'est pas ce qu'il a fait. Il a dit avec d\u00e9sinvolture qu'une telle d\u00e9cision n'\u00e9tait pas rentable. Je ne suis pas certain que le <a data-HoCid=\"214296\" href=\"/politicians/justin-trudeau/\" title=\"Justin Trudeau\">premier ministre</a> ait d\u00e9j\u00e0 lu un plan d'affaires, mais c'est ce qu'il a dit au chancelier. L'Allemagne a donc obtenu le gaz naturel dont elle avait besoin aupr\u00e8s de dictatures polluantes. Cela illustre bien notre politique \u00e9trang\u00e8re actuelle.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054417\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mon coll\u00e8gue a dit que si les lib\u00e9raux souhaitaient vraiment soutenir l'Ukraine, ils auraient inclus dans le projet de loi sur le libre-\u00e9change des dispositions permettant \u00e0 notre pays de fournir davantage de munitions \u00e0 l'Ukraine et de les fabriquer. D'ailleurs, s'il y a un manque dans l'assurance-risques politiques d'Exportation et d\u00e9veloppement Canada, il est facile pour le gouvernement du Canada de montrer son engagement envers l'Ukraine en utilisant le Compte du Canada pour aider les fabricants de munitions canadiens situ\u00e9s en Allemagne \u00e0 r\u00e9gler la question de l'assurance-risques. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054418\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les lib\u00e9raux ont-ils utilis\u00e9 le Compte du Canada pour le faire? Non. Leur engagement envers l'Ukraine est donc, comme tout le reste, assez superficiel et n'est pas empreint du s\u00e9rieux auquel on pourrait s'attendre d'un alli\u00e9 d'un grand pays d\u00e9mocratique et de la diaspora de 1,5 million d'Ukrainiens au Canada, qui attendent plus du gouvernement.</p>"
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