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{
"time": "2023-11-22 19:30:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Peter Julian (New Westminster\u2014Burnaby, NDP)",
"fr": "M. Peter Julian (New Westminster\u2014Burnaby, NPD)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8054529\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, given the hypocrisy of what we have heard from the Conservatives tonight, I am pleased to rise to defend the recommendations made by the foreign affairs committee, which the Conservatives are trying to gut. More importantly, I want to come back to the importance of adopting concurrence on the report rather than seeing it gutted, as we are seeing, by the Conservatives. In a procedural sleight of hand, they are trying to destroy all of the recommendations that form part of a consensus we have had since Putin invaded Ukraine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054530\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have seen the appalling civilian casualties. We have seen the evidence of war crimes and sexual abuse. We have seen the appalling bombings of hospitals, schools and apartment buildings. We have all seen that. It is fair to say there was initially a consensus, and it is reflected in the report the Conservatives are now trying to gut, trying to destroy. It was reflected as well in President Zelenskyy's comments to us parliamentarians. He asked, on behalf of the people of Ukraine, to adopt the Canada-Ukraine trade deal. This resonated across Canada and should have resonated with Conservative members given that a million and a half Canadians are of Ukrainian origin and they believe strongly in Canada supporting Ukraine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054531\" data-originallang=\"en\">Yesterday was no simple day. It was the 10th anniversary of the Day of Dignity and Freedom for Ukrainian people. It is important symbolism, a profound symbolic act of Canada standing in support of Ukraine. Ukrainians could not celebrate that day because they are trying to defend their villages, farms and homes. What we saw yesterday, on the Day of Dignity and Freedom, was the entire Conservative caucus, not just the <a data-HoCid=\"291215\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">leader</a>, the member for <a data-HoCid=\"291215\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a>, whose extremist views we know about, rising one after the other to betray Ukraine, to betray the commitment that all Canadians feel they have to Ukraine. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054532\" data-originallang=\"en\">President Zelenskyy, the Ukrainian Canadian Congress and the Ukrainian ambassador to Canada asked us, as an act of solidarity and support for the Ukrainian people, to adopt the trade agreement, and every single member in this House except Conservatives rose as one to stand in solidarity with the Ukrainian people. Every single member of the Conservative caucus betrayed the consensus we have had since the beginning of the horrific invasion and horrific violence that has been engendered toward the Ukrainian people. Conservatives decided to choose the Day of Dignity and Freedom to betray Ukrainian Canadians and betray Ukraine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054533\" data-originallang=\"en\">I continue to believe that this vote lives in infamy. The member for <a data-HoCid=\"291215\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a> has an obsession with the federal price on carbon, which does not even apply in my province of British Columbia, in Quebec or in the Northwest Territories, and demands that the federal price on carbon be part of a carbon election. What does that mean for my province or our second-largest province, the Quebec nation? What does that mean for the Northwest Territories and other jurisdictions where the federal price on carbon does not even apply? He has never even asked that question, but his obsession with the price on carbon and his obsession with the denial of climate change I find to be profoundly disturbing.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054534\" data-originallang=\"en\">This is a step further. This is taking the extremism of the Republican Party in the United States, which is rejecting supports for Ukraine and refusing to stand with the Ukrainian people as we speak, and manifesting it here in this chamber. Canadians were all witness to it yesterday, on a symbolic day of such importance.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054535\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Day of Dignity and Freedom is the day the Conservative MPs chose to betray Ukraine. That was the day the entire Conservative caucus turned its back on Ukraine. The Day of Dignity and Freedom was hard fought by Ukrainians, to establish their democracy, to fight back against this totalitarian, authoritarian dictator Putin who has ravaged the country. That was the day Conservatives chose to side, not with the Ukrainian people but, with the extremists that we see in the Republican Party. I find that profoundly disturbing.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054536\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Not a single Conservative MP rose to stand with Ukraine. How could they go back to their constituents with this weird extremist obsession of their new leader, the member for <a data-HoCid=\"278241\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a>, with the price on carbon and denying climate change? How could they go back and say that their obsession with the price on carbon was what led them to betray Ukraine?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054537\" data-originallang=\"en\">Today, we have a report from the foreign affairs committee. This is part of the consensus that Canadians saw, in a very positive light, since the invasion of Ukraine, since the horrific violence brought against the people of Ukraine. There was an all-party consensus that lasted up until the Day of Dignity and Freedom, when Conservatives betrayed and turned their back on the people of Ukraine, breaking that consensus.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054538\" data-originallang=\"en\">Then tonight, we have another example. We have a report that has come forward with the consensus of all parties, that speaks to Canada taking a leading role against the crimes against humanity, the war crimes, the violations of international human rights, the gender-based and sexual violence, with Canada play a leading role in that prosecution. Conservatives said no, that they were going to gut the report, and were\u2014</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8054529\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, \u00e9tant donn\u00e9 l'hypocrisie dont les conservateurs font preuve ce soir, c'est avec plaisir que j'interviens pour d\u00e9fendre les recommandations formul\u00e9es par le comit\u00e9 des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res, que les conservateurs tentent maintenant de vider de leur substance. Plus important encore, je souhaite insister sur le fait qu'il est important d'adopter le rapport au lieu de le vider de sa substance comme les conservateurs tentent de le faire. Ceux-ci, au moyen d'un tour de passe-passe proc\u00e9dural, s'efforcent de d\u00e9truire toutes les recommandations qui font partie d'un consensus qui existe depuis que Poutine a envahi l'Ukraine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054530\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous voyons que les pertes civiles sont terribles. Des preuves montrent que des crimes de guerre et des agressions sexuelles ont \u00e9t\u00e9 commis. Nous avons pu voir des bombardements odieux frapper des h\u00f4pitaux, des \u00e9coles et des immeubles \u00e0 appartements. Nous avons vu tout cela. On peut dire sans se tromper qu'il y avait un consensus au d\u00e9part, et celui-ci transpara\u00eet dans le rapport que les conservateurs tentent maintenant de vider de sa substance et d'an\u00e9antir. Il transparaissait aussi dans le discours que le pr\u00e9sident Zelensky nous a adress\u00e9 \u00e0 nous, les parlementaires. Il nous a demand\u00e9, au nom des Ukrainiens, d'adopter l'accord commercial Canada-Ukraine. Cette id\u00e9e a trouv\u00e9 \u00e9cho partout au Canada et elle aurait d\u00fb trouver aussi \u00e9cho parmi les d\u00e9put\u00e9s conservateurs, puisque le Canada compte 1,5 million de Canadiens d'origine ukrainienne, qui croient fermement que le Canada doit soutenir l'Ukraine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054531\" data-originallang=\"en\">Hier n'\u00e9tait pas une journ\u00e9e ordinaire pour les Ukrainiens. C'\u00e9tait le 10<sup>e</sup> anniversaire de la Journ\u00e9e de la dignit\u00e9 et de la libert\u00e9. Le Canada a donc pos\u00e9 un geste extr\u00eamement symbolique pour exprimer son appui \u00e0 l'Ukraine. Les Ukrainiens, eux, n'ont pas pu c\u00e9l\u00e9brer cette journ\u00e9e parce qu'ils tentent de d\u00e9fendre leurs villages, leurs fermes et leurs foyers. Hier, \u00e0 l'occasion de la Journ\u00e9e de la dignit\u00e9 et de la libert\u00e9, ce n'est pas seulement le <a data-HoCid=\"291215\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">chef</a> du Parti conservateur, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"291215\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a>, dont nous connaissons les opinions extr\u00e9mistes, qui a pris la parole, mais bien tous les membres de son caucus; les uns apr\u00e8s les autres, ils ont trahi l'Ukraine, ils ont trahi l'engagement que tous les Canadiens estiment avoir envers l'Ukraine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054532\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le pr\u00e9sident Zelensky, le Congr\u00e8s des Ukrainiens Canadiens et l'ambassadrice de l'Ukraine au Canada nous ont demand\u00e9, dans un geste de solidarit\u00e9 et de soutien envers les Ukrainiens, d'adopter l'accord commercial, et tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s, \u00e0 l'exception des conservateurs, ont pris la parole pour exprimer d'une seule voix leur solidarit\u00e9 envers les Ukrainiens. Tous les membres du caucus conservateur ont trahi le consensus qui existe depuis le d\u00e9but de cette horrible invasion et de la terrible violence inflig\u00e9e aux Ukrainiens. Les conservateurs ont choisi la Journ\u00e9e de la dignit\u00e9 et de la libert\u00e9 pour trahir les Canadiens d'origine ukrainienne et l'Ukraine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054533\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je continue de croire que ce vote est une infamie. Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"291215\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a> est obs\u00e9d\u00e9 par la tarification f\u00e9d\u00e9rale du carbone, qui ne s\u2019applique m\u00eame pas \u00e0 la Colombie-Britannique, d'o\u00f9 je viens, au Qu\u00e9bec ou aux Territoires du Nord-Ouest, et il exige que la tarification f\u00e9d\u00e9rale du carbone fasse partie d\u2019une \u00e9lection sur le carbone. Qu'est-ce que cela signifie pour ma province ou pour notre deuxi\u00e8me province en importance, la nation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise? Qu'est-ce que cela signifie pour les Territoires du Nord-Ouest et les autres provinces et territoires o\u00f9 la tarification f\u00e9d\u00e9rale du carbone ne s'applique m\u00eame pas? Il n'a jamais pos\u00e9 cette question, mais son obsession \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard de la tarification du carbone et sa n\u00e9gation obsessive de l'existence des changements climatiques sont profond\u00e9ment troublantes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054534\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ici, on va encore plus loin. On prend l\u2019extr\u00e9misme du Parti r\u00e9publicain aux \u00c9tats-Unis, qui rejette le soutien \u00e0 l\u2019Ukraine et qui refuse de se tenir aux c\u00f4t\u00e9s du peuple ukrainien en ce moment m\u00eame, et on le manifeste ici, \u00e0 la Chambre. Les Canadiens en ont tous \u00e9t\u00e9 t\u00e9moins hier, en cette journ\u00e9e symbolique si importante.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054535\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les d\u00e9put\u00e9s conservateurs ont choisi de trahir l'Ukraine lors de la Journ\u00e9e de la dignit\u00e9 et de la libert\u00e9. C'est le jour o\u00f9 tout le caucus conservateur a tourn\u00e9 le dos \u00e0 l'Ukraine. La Journ\u00e9e de la dignit\u00e9 et de la libert\u00e9 a \u00e9t\u00e9 chaudement disput\u00e9e par les Ukrainiens afin d'\u00e9tablir leur d\u00e9mocratie et de lutter contre le dictateur totalitaire Poutine, qui ravage leur pays. C'est le jour o\u00f9 les conservateurs ont choisi de se ranger non pas du c\u00f4t\u00e9 du peuple ukrainien, mais du c\u00f4t\u00e9 des extr\u00e9mistes que nous voyons au Parti r\u00e9publicain. Je trouve cela profond\u00e9ment troublant.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054536\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Pas un seul d\u00e9put\u00e9 conservateur n'a pris la parole pour d\u00e9fendre l'Ukraine. Comment peuvent-ils regarder les habitants de leur circonscription dans les yeux alors qu'ils appuient l'obsession extr\u00e9miste et \u00e9trange de leur nouveau chef, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"278241\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a>, qui est contre la tarification du carbone et qui nie l'existence des changements climatiques? Comment peuvent-ils expliquer aux habitants de leur circonscription que c'est leur obsession de la tarification du carbone qui les a amen\u00e9s \u00e0 trahir l'Ukraine?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054537\" data-originallang=\"en\">Aujourd'hui, nous examinons un rapport du comit\u00e9 des affaires \u00e9trang\u00e8res. Ce document t\u00e9moigne du consensus que les Canadiens ont pu constater, de fa\u00e7on tr\u00e8s positive, depuis l'invasion de l'Ukraine, depuis les violences horribles perp\u00e9tr\u00e9es contre les Ukrainiens. Il y avait un consensus entre tous les partis jusqu'\u00e0 la Journ\u00e9e de la dignit\u00e9 et de la libert\u00e9, c'est-\u00e0-dire jusqu'au jour o\u00f9 les conservateurs ont tourn\u00e9 le dos aux Ukrainiens et o\u00f9 ils ont trahi l'Ukraine, brisant ainsi ce consensus.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8054538\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce soir, nous avons un autre exemple. Nous avons un rapport pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 avec l'appui unanime de tous les partis qui met en relief l'engagement du Canada \u00e0 jouer un r\u00f4le de premier plan dans la lutte contre les crimes contre l'humanit\u00e9, les crimes de guerre, les violations des droits internationaux de la personne et la violence fond\u00e9e sur le sexe et la violence sexuelle, notamment en mati\u00e8re de poursuites. Les conservateurs ont dit non; ils veulent vider le rapport de sa substance et ils... </p>"
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