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{
"time": "2022-10-03 12:45:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona, NDP)",
"fr": "Mme Heather McPherson (Edmonton Strathcona, NPD)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7312240\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I learn so much from my colleague from Vancouver East about housing. She is such an expert on housing. We all should listen to her and hear the call that she brings to this place.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312241\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am going to start today with a bit of a story because we are in the House debating this bill and the need for dental care for Canadians, which would bring some relief for Canadians who are struggling right now. I have told this story before, but I want to share it again.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312242\" data-originallang=\"en\">I spend a lot of time door knocking in my constituency. It is very important for members of Parliament to speak to their constituents as often as possible to find out what those concerns and issues are. One day I knocked on a door in one of my neighbourhoods. It was a pretty affluent neighbourhood. I knocked on the door and was talking to a gentleman who was telling me about the fact that the issue of dental care was a massive issue for him. He had a dental plan, and his children had access to dental care. His family was fine, but his concern was for the children who were going to school with his daughter who did not have those things.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312243\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I think about that a lot when I stand in this place. I think a lot about the fact that, as parliamentarians, our job is not to get things to make our lives better. Our job here is not to do things to benefit ourselves and those who are our friends. Our job as parliamentarians, and the reason I am a New Democrat, is to make lives better for all Canadians so we can help folks who are struggling. That is our job in this place, so I think about that gentleman an awful lot and the fact that his concern was around others. I am so proud to represent people like him in Edmonton Strathcona, those who care about their neighbours.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312244\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am a mother. I have children. They are not as young as they once were, which is the way growing up works. I do want to acknowledge that I come to work in this place and I have this incredible privilege to ensure that my children will always have access to dental care. That is something that all of us in this place need to reflect on, and I am going to go back to that in a few minutes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312245\" data-originallang=\"en\">Our public health care system is full of holes. It does not make sense that our public health care system does not include dental care. It does not make sense that our public health care system does not include pharmacare or mental health care. At what point did we decide that parts of our bodies needed to be protected and covered and other parts did not? It does not make any sense. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312246\" data-originallang=\"en\">It does not make sense to pretend that our teeth are not actually part of our body. From a health perspective, it does not make sense, and from an economic and fiscal perspective, it does not make sense. If I had the power right now to fix those gaps in our health care system and I could do that today, I would. It is one of the most important things, as parliamentarians, we should be doing. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312247\" data-originallang=\"en\">Today, we have an opportunity to fix one of those gaps. I am incredibly proud to support Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11924005\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-31/\" title=\"An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing\">C-31</a> to get dental care for some of the people in Canada who need it the most, children under 12. If we do our job in this place, we could get half a million kids the dental care they desperately need. We can get them that dental care. We can get it for them and for all kids, not just the kids in families that can afford it. We have known for decades that dental care belongs in our health care system. It has been 58 years since the Royal Commission on Health Services called for dental care to be included in our public system.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312248\" data-originallang=\"en\">I have said this before as well, but the most common surgery performed on preschool children at most pediatric hospitals in Canada is for the treatment of dental decay and the health implications that stem from that. We are asking families in this country to make heartbreaking decisions on protecting their children's health and their teeth or paying their bills, paying for groceries and paying for gas for their vehicles. That is a decision we should never be asking people in Canada to make.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312249\" data-originallang=\"en\">I said earlier that I know that I stand in this place as somebody who has a great deal of privilege. I have a wonderful salary. I have a wonderful benefits program. My husband has a well-paying job. He has a dental program. My children will never have to worry about their teeth or about having dental care accessible to them. I feel deeply fortunate for that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312250\" data-originallang=\"en\">All of us sitting in the House should feel deeply fortunate for that. The dental plans that we have cover us and our families. What kind of people would we be if we did not want all children in the country to have the things our children have? What kind of person would I be if I could look at my daughter and say, \u201cThank goodness that my daughter Keltie has dental care,\u201d and then look at someone else's daughter and not want that for them? How could I do that?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312251\" data-originallang=\"en\">I will tell members that there are Conservatives sitting in the House right now who have already voted twice against dental care for children. I want them to know that I see them. Canadians see them.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312252\" data-originallang=\"en\">Conservatives voted against health care 50 years ago. They voted against one of the things that Canadians see as fundamental to our identity and fundamental to who we are as a country. Fifty years ago, Conservatives voted against that, and now they are voting against dental care. They are fine having dental care for their families, and they are fine having dental care for themselves, but they do not want dental care for the children across the country in their constituencies and in their ridings. I have no idea what they must say to the people in their ridings to justify this. I have no idea how they can say, \u201cFor me, it is great. For you, not so much.\u201d</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312253\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is horrendous. All children deserve dental care. Every MP who voted against dental care in the last Parliament, and I will acknowledge that that included Liberals, is saying that what they have access to, what they are entitled to, others are not. That is disgusting. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312254\" data-originallang=\"en\">Another thing that I want to bring up within the bill, Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11924005\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-31/\" title=\"An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing\">C-31</a>, is the support for rent. Winter is coming. We know that. Winter comes with so many more challenges for vulnerable people in Edmonton. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312255\" data-originallang=\"en\">This year is going to be, as we will imagine, harder than most because everything costs so much more. We already have a homeless crisis in my city and in cities across the country. Things are getting worse.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312256\" data-originallang=\"en\">The support in the bill for renters and for low-income people who rely on the GST rebate is really not that much: $500 for renters and a temporary doubling of the rebate. It is not that much money overall, but the difference in one's life, when one is living on the edge, would be enormous. The opportunity to prevent people from becoming homeless and to help people who are really struggling right now is enormous. We have to do what we can for these people.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312257\" data-originallang=\"en\">The support in the bill would be the difference between holding onto a place to live and becoming homeless for hundreds and maybe even thousands of Canadians. It would be the difference between buying groceries and going without. It would be the difference between hope and despair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312258\" data-originallang=\"en\">People are struggling to pay for everything right now. Groceries are more expensive. Rent is more expensive. Gas is more expensive. I know that it can feel overwhelming for many Canadians right now. That is what these programs are about. Universal dental care, and social programs like it, raises people up. They give people opportunities.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312259\" data-originallang=\"en\">After all, that is ultimately what the democratic government is supposed to be. It is supposed to be people coming together to make laws, make rules and make programs that create a stronger, healthier and happier Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312260\" data-originallang=\"en\">I like to hope that we are all in this place wanting to make a positive difference in our communities and for our constituents. I know we do not all agree on what that looks like, but I believe in the power and the equity of social programs delivered by government, and the power of people lifting each other up. I am proud today to say that, because of the work of New Democrats, Bill <a data-HoCid=\"11924005\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-31/\" title=\"An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing\">C-31</a> would do that.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7312240\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, j\u2019apprends tellement de choses sur le logement aupr\u00e8s de ma coll\u00e8gue de Vancouver-Est. Elle est une telle experte en mati\u00e8re de logement. Nous devrions tous l\u2019\u00e9couter et entendre l\u2019appel qu\u2019elle lance \u00e0 la Chambre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312241\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais commencer aujourd\u2019hui par une petite histoire, car nous d\u00e9battons \u00e0 la Chambre du projet de loi et de la n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de fournir des soins dentaires aux Canadiens, ce qui soulagerait un peu ceux d'entre eux qui ont des difficult\u00e9s en ce moment. J\u2019ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 racont\u00e9 cette histoire, mais je veux vous en faire part \u00e0 nouveau.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312242\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je passe beaucoup de temps \u00e0 faire du porte-\u00e0-porte dans ma circonscription. Il est tr\u00e8s important pour les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de parler \u00e0 leurs \u00e9lecteurs aussi souvent que possible pour conna\u00eetre leurs pr\u00e9occupations et leurs probl\u00e8mes. Un jour, j\u2019ai frapp\u00e9 \u00e0 une porte dans un quartier de ma circonscription. C\u2019\u00e9tait un quartier plut\u00f4t ais\u00e9. J\u2019ai frapp\u00e9 \u00e0 la porte et j\u2019ai parl\u00e9 \u00e0 un monsieur qui m\u2019a dit que la question des soins dentaires \u00e9tait un enjeu majeur pour lui. Il avait un r\u00e9gime d\u2019assurance dentaire et ses enfants avaient acc\u00e8s \u00e0 des soins dentaires. Sa famille allait bien, mais il s\u2019inqui\u00e9tait pour les enfants qui allaient \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9cole avec sa fille et qui n\u2019avaient pas ces choses.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312243\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je pense souvent \u00e0 cela quand je me trouve ici. Je pense beaucoup au fait que, en tant que parlementaires, notre travail n\u2019est pas d\u2019obtenir des choses pour am\u00e9liorer notre vie. Notre travail n\u2019est pas de faire des choses qui nous profitent \u00e0 nous-m\u00eames ou \u00e0 ceux qui sont nos amis. Notre travail en tant que parlementaires, et la raison pour laquelle je suis n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrate, est d\u2019am\u00e9liorer la vie de tous les Canadiens afin que nous puissions aider ceux qui ont des difficult\u00e9s. C\u2019est notre travail dans cette enceinte, alors je pense beaucoup \u00e0 ce monsieur et au fait qu\u2019il se pr\u00e9occupait des autres. Je suis tr\u00e8s fi\u00e8re de repr\u00e9senter des gens comme lui dans Edmonton Strathcona, des personnes qui se soucient de leurs voisins.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312244\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis m\u00e8re. J\u2019ai des enfants. Ils ne sont plus aussi jeunes qu\u2019avant; c\u2019est comme \u00e7a quand on grandit. Je tiens \u00e0 reconna\u00eetre que je viens travailler dans cet endroit et que j\u2019ai l\u2019incroyable privil\u00e8ge de pouvoir m\u2019assurer que mes enfants auront toujours acc\u00e8s \u00e0 des soins dentaires. C\u2019est une chose \u00e0 laquelle nous devons tous r\u00e9fl\u00e9chir dans cette enceinte, et je vais y revenir dans quelques minutes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312245\" data-originallang=\"en\">Notre syst\u00e8me de sant\u00e9 public est plein de failles. Il n\u2019est pas logique que ce syst\u00e8me ne comprenne pas les soins dentaires. Il n\u2019est pas logique que notre syst\u00e8me de soins de sant\u00e9 public n\u2019inclue pas l\u2019assurance-m\u00e9dicaments ou les soins de sant\u00e9 mentale. \u00c0 quel moment avons-nous d\u00e9cid\u00e9 que certaines parties de notre corps devaient \u00eatre prot\u00e9g\u00e9es et couvertes et d\u2019autres non? Cela n\u2019a aucun sens.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312246\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il est absurde de pr\u00e9tendre que les dents ne font pas partie du corps. D\u2019un point de vue sanitaire, cela n\u2019a pas de sens, et d\u2019un point de vue \u00e9conomique et financier, cela n\u2019a pas de sens non plus. Si j\u2019avais le pouvoir de combler les lacunes de notre syst\u00e8me de soins de sant\u00e9 et que je pouvais le faire aujourd\u2019hui, je le ferais. C\u2019est l\u2019une des choses les plus importantes que nous devrions faire en tant que parlementaires.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312247\" data-originallang=\"en\">Eh bien, aujourd\u2019hui, nous avons l\u2019occasion de combler l\u2019une de ces lacunes. Je suis excessivement fi\u00e8re de soutenir le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11924005\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-31/\" title=\"An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing\">C-31</a>, qui vise \u00e0 fournir des soins dentaires \u00e0 certaines des personnes qui en ont le plus besoin au Canada, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire les enfants de moins de 12 ans. Si nous faisons le travail que nous devons faire dans cette enceinte, nous pourrions offrir \u00e0 un demi-million d\u2019enfants les soins dentaires dont ils ont d\u00e9sesp\u00e9r\u00e9ment besoin. Nous pouvons le faire. Nous pouvons obtenir ces soins pour eux et pour tous les enfants, pas uniquement pour les enfants des familles qui peuvent se le permettre. Nous savons depuis des d\u00e9cennies que les soins dentaires font partie de notre syst\u00e8me de soins de sant\u00e9. Cela fait 58 ans que la Commission royale d\u2019enqu\u00eate sur les services de sant\u00e9 a demand\u00e9 que les soins dentaires soient inclus dans notre syst\u00e8me public.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312248\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je l\u2019ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 dit, mais je vais le r\u00e9p\u00e9ter: la chirurgie la plus courante pratiqu\u00e9e sur les enfants d\u2019\u00e2ge pr\u00e9scolaire dans la plupart des h\u00f4pitaux p\u00e9diatriques du Canada est le traitement de la carie dentaire, avec les cons\u00e9quences pour la sant\u00e9 qui en d\u00e9coulent. Nous demandons aux familles de ce pays de prendre la d\u00e9cision d\u00e9chirante de choisir entre prot\u00e9ger la sant\u00e9 de leurs enfants en leur faisant soigner les dents ou de payer les factures, la nourriture et l\u2019essence pour le v\u00e9hicule. C\u2019est un choix que nous ne devrions jamais demander aux Canadiens de faire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312249\" data-originallang=\"en\">J\u2019ai dit plus t\u00f4t que je suis consciente d\u2019\u00eatre ici en tant que personne tr\u00e8s privil\u00e9gi\u00e9e. Mon salaire est extraordinaire. Je b\u00e9n\u00e9ficie d\u2019un merveilleux programme d\u2019avantages sociaux. Mon mari a un emploi bien r\u00e9mun\u00e9r\u00e9. Il est couvert par un programme de soins dentaires. Mes enfants n\u2019auront jamais \u00e0 s\u2019inqui\u00e9ter \u00e0 propos de leurs dents ou de l\u2019acc\u00e8s aux soins dentaires. Je suis consciente d\u2019avoir beaucoup de chance \u00e0 cet \u00e9gard.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312250\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous tous qui si\u00e9geons \u00e0 la Chambre devrions \u00eatre conscients de la chance que nous avons. Nos r\u00e9gimes de soins dentaires nous couvrent, nous et nos familles. Quel genre de personnes serions-nous si nous ne voulions pas que tous les enfants du pays aient acc\u00e8s aux services dont nos enfants profitent? Quel genre de personne serais-je si je pouvais regarder ma fille et dire: \u00ab Dieu merci, ma fille Keltie peut se faire soigner les dents \u00bb, et regarder la fille d\u2019une autre personne sans vouloir la m\u00eame chose pour elle? Comment le pourrais-je?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312251\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je dirai aux d\u00e9put\u00e9s que des conservateurs pr\u00e9sents \u00e0 la Chambre en ce moment ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 vot\u00e9 deux fois contre les soins dentaires pour les enfants. Je veux qu\u2019ils sachent que je les vois. Les Canadiens les voient.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312252\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les conservateurs ont vot\u00e9 contre les soins de sant\u00e9 universels il y a 50 ans. Ils ont vot\u00e9 contre l\u2019une des choses que les Canadiens consid\u00e8rent comme fondamentales pour notre identit\u00e9 et ce que nous sommes comme pays. Il y a 50 ans, les conservateurs ont vot\u00e9 contre cela, et maintenant ils votent contre les soins dentaires. Ils sont d\u2019accord pour que leurs familles aient acc\u00e8s \u00e0 des soins dentaires, et ils sont d\u2019accord pour y avoir acc\u00e8s pour eux-m\u00eames, mais ils ne veulent pas que les enfants partout au pays dans leurs circonscriptions et leurs comt\u00e9s puissent y avoir acc\u00e8s. Je n\u2019ai aucune id\u00e9e de ce qu\u2019ils peuvent bien raconter aux gens de leur circonscription pour justifier une telle prise de position. Je ne sais absolument pas comment ils peuvent dire: \u00ab Pour moi, c\u2019est g\u00e9nial, mais pour vous, pas tant que \u00e7a! \u00bb</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312253\" data-originallang=\"en\">C\u2019est terrible! Tous les enfants m\u00e9ritent de b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier de soins dentaires. Tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s qui ont vot\u00e9 contre l\u2019acc\u00e8s aux soins dentaires \u00e0 la derni\u00e8re l\u00e9gislature \u2014 et je reconnais que cela concerne aussi les lib\u00e9raux \u2014 disent en fait que les soins ou les services auxquels ils ont acc\u00e8s ou auxquels ils ont droit, d\u2019autres n\u2019y ont pas droit. C\u2019est r\u00e9pugnant.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312254\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a un autre point que je veux soulever \u00e0 propos du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11924005\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-31/\" title=\"An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing\">C-31</a>, c\u2019est l\u2019aide au loyer. Nous savons que l\u2019hiver arrive. Et l\u2019hiver entra\u00eene une foule de probl\u00e8mes suppl\u00e9mentaires pour les personnes vuln\u00e9rables d\u2019Edmonton.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312255\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme on peut l\u2019imaginer, l\u2019ann\u00e9e sera plus difficile que la plupart des pr\u00e9c\u00e9dentes, parce que tout co\u00fbte beaucoup plus cher. Nous avons d\u00e9j\u00e0 une crise de l\u2019itin\u00e9rance dans ma ville et c\u2019est le cas d'autres villes du pays. Les choses ne font qu\u2019empirer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312256\" data-originallang=\"en\">L\u2019aide pr\u00e9vue dans le projet de loi pour les locataires et les personnes \u00e0 faible revenu qui comptent sur le remboursement de la TPS n\u2019est vraiment pas \u00e9norme: 500 $ pour les locataires et un doublement temporaire du remboursement. Cela ne repr\u00e9sente pas beaucoup d\u2019argent dans l\u2019ensemble, mais lorsqu\u2019une personne est au bord du gouffre, cela ferait une diff\u00e9rence \u00e9norme dans sa vie. La possibilit\u00e9 d\u2019emp\u00eacher des gens de se retrouver en situation d'itin\u00e9rance et d\u2019aider ceux qui sont vraiment en difficult\u00e9 en ce moment est \u00e9norme. Nous devons faire ce que nous pouvons pour ces personnes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312257\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour des centaines, voire des milliers de Canadiens, l\u2019aide pr\u00e9vue dans le projet de loi repr\u00e9sente la diff\u00e9rence qui existe entre continuer \u00e0 avoir un toit au-dessus de la t\u00eate et devenir sans-abri. C\u2019est la diff\u00e9rence entre pouvoir acheter de la nourriture et s\u2019en priver. C\u2019est la diff\u00e9rence entre l\u2019espoir et le d\u00e9sespoir.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312258\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les gens ont du mal \u00e0 payer toutes leurs factures en ce moment. Les produits alimentaires sont plus chers. Le loyer est plus cher. L\u2019essence est plus ch\u00e8re. Je sais que de bon nombre de Canadiens peuvent se sentir accabl\u00e9s en ce moment. C\u2019est la raison d\u2019\u00eatre de ces programmes. Les soins dentaires universels et les programmes sociaux de ce type permettent aux gens de se relever. Ils am\u00e9liorent leurs chances de s\u2019en sortir.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312259\" data-originallang=\"en\">En fin de compte, c\u2019est de cette mani\u00e8re qu\u2019un gouvernement d\u00e9mocratique est cens\u00e9 agir. Les gens sont cens\u00e9s se r\u00e9unir pour \u00e9laborer des lois, des r\u00e8gles et des programmes qui cr\u00e9ent un Canada plus fort, plus sain et plus heureux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7312260\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'esp\u00e8re que nous sommes tous ici dans le but d\u2019avoir une incidence positive pour les communaut\u00e9s et les gens que nous repr\u00e9sentons. Nous ne sommes pas tous d'accord sur ce \u00e0 quoi cela ressemble, mais je crois au pouvoir et \u00e0 l'\u00e9quit\u00e9 des programmes sociaux offerts par le gouvernement et je crois au pouvoir des gens qui se soutiennent mutuellement. Aujourd'hui, je suis fi\u00e8re de dire que, gr\u00e2ce au travail des n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates, le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"11924005\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-31/\" title=\"An Act respecting cost of living relief measures related to dental care and rental housing\">C\u201131</a> permettra d'atteindre cet objectif. </p>"
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