Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2020-01-29 17:00:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Jack Harris (St. John's East, NDP)",
        "fr": "M. Jack Harris (St. John's-Est, NPD)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"6031590\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I am pleased to have an opportunity to speak to Bill <a data-HoCid=\"10613928\" href=\"/bills/43-1/C-3/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act and the Canada Border Services Agency Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts\">C-3</a>, an act to amend the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act and the Canada Border Services Agency Act and to make consequential amendments to other acts. I appreciate the introduction by the <a data-HoCid=\"253386\" href=\"/politicians/bill-blair/\" title=\"Bill Blair\">minister</a> responsible.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031591\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would like to say, first of all, that the Canada Border Services Agency carries on very important work for the safety of Canada and its citizens, and it enforces some 70 different regulations and pieces of legislation that have been passed by Parliament or enacted through proper processes. It is an important piece of work that the agency does. There are at least 7,000 agents, and they operate at 130 different border points, so the work they do is very important.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031592\" data-originallang=\"en\">They also, in conducting this work, have pretty extraordinary powers, probably greater than many police and law enforcement agencies. They can arrest and detain people who they believe are in Canada illegally. They can arrest with or without warrant. They can arrest people who they suspect are in violation of the act and detain them for, in some cases, indefinite periods.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031593\" data-originallang=\"en\">As has been pointed out, with 96 million travellers in and out of the country, we do not have 96 million complaints, obviously, so it is pretty clear that the work that they are doing is, for the most part, not subject to complaint.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031594\" data-originallang=\"en\">I appreciate that when we talk about the complaints that are made, we are talking about exceptions to proper behaviour, potentially. The complaints may not end up being found to be valid in some cases, but we know that there are sufficient numbers of valid complaints to have a cause for concern that this enforcement agency is not immune to bad behaviour and improper conduct. We know that this has happened, because complaints have been founded by investigations conducted by the CBSA itself.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031595\" data-originallang=\"en\">There has, for a long period of time, been cause for concern that there was a lack of oversight of this body. Justice O'Connor in 2010 recommended that this oversight take place, but it did not take place. We raised this issue as a party in the Conservative years, in 2010, after Justice O'Connor and before, and up until we joined the last Parliament as well. I was not here, but I know my colleagues have done so, and they were not the only ones. Recognized and respected public bodies, such as the Canadian Bar Association, Amnesty International, the B.C. Civil Liberties Association and others, have recognized and pointed out significant deficiencies in the activities and behaviour of the CBSA in the enforcement of its legislation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031596\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is kind of a given that this should happen. \u201cLong overdue\u201d are the words that have been used by the <a data-HoCid=\"253386\" href=\"/politicians/bill-blair/\" title=\"Bill Blair\">minister</a> himself, recognizing that this legislation, or something like it, should have been brought forward a lot sooner than it was. It is unfortunate that this gap has not been addressed before this date, but we are heartened by the fact that it is here today.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031597\" data-originallang=\"en\">I must say it was a half-hearted attempt by the Liberal government in the last Parliament to bring this legislation forward in the dying days of Parliament, several weeks before Parliament was to rise. It was passed over to the Senate on the 19th of June, the day before they were to rise, with no hope of any particular consideration there. The Liberal government deserves some blame for not bringing this legislation forward earlier to provide an opportunity for full discussion and debate.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031598\" data-originallang=\"en\">There are some changes that have now been made. I did not get the sense from the <a data-HoCid=\"253386\" href=\"/politicians/bill-blair/\" title=\"Bill Blair\">minister</a>'s remarks, when he was asked about consultations, that any significant consultation has taken place with the union that was involved. Its members appeared before the committee. The customs and immigration union does have something to say about this. I think the union is generally supportive of the idea that there ought to be accountability, because it also provides an opportunity for officers who may be the subject of a complaint to be exonerated if the complaint is not founded, and it can be done in a public way.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031599\" data-originallang=\"en\">All that being said, we do have to look carefully at some of the provisions of this legislation. Is it going to simply be a review of internal complaints or internal investigations that have been made? To what extent is it going to provide for an independent investigation? The power exists there. The practice is something that we have to be concerned about. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031600\" data-originallang=\"en\">Are we going to be in a backlog situation, as we have seen with the RCMP civilian review system? Additional monies have been provided, and I see provisions for standards of performance in terms of dealing with complaints. Whether those standards can be met by just establishing standards of performance and whether the government is committed to being responsive to requests by the agency for sufficient funds or more staff as needed to meet those standards is the problem sometimes with agencies that have this kind of oversight. We want to have a good look at that to see what is going on when these things take place. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031601\" data-originallang=\"en\">The NDP supports this legislation in principle and we will certainly be supporting it at second reading. We will look to see whether the minister is willing to consider amendments during consideration in committee. I am not proposing any here today, but I do want to see that the minister is prepared to consider arguments that may be made to bring about changes that would enhance the legislation and make it more effective.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031602\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have heard specific concerns as well from the legal community in terms of how the practices of the agency have affected solicitor-client privilege, and there are concerns about solicitor-client privilege. We want to make sure that these concerns are addressed if they have not been addressed already, and I am not sure they have been addressed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031603\" data-originallang=\"en\"> We would also want to see the opportunity, and I raised this with the member for <a data-HoCid=\"252573\" href=\"/politicians/christine-normandin/\" title=\"Christine Normandin\">Saint-Jean</a>, to be involved in the policy and practices side of it. I note that in the legislation there is an opportunity for the committee itself to initiate reviews of specific practices. Whether it is going to be a robust effort on the part of the committee interests me. I suspect it may depend on who the committee members are. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031604\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I would want to see an opportunity for those kinds of reviews to take place through the initiative of someone else. For example, the Canadian Bar Association might want to see a review of a particular practice as it might affect a problem area, whether having to do with solicitor-client privilege or having to do with incidents that have come forward on a number of occasions. Other outside bodies as well might come to this body and ask it to conduct a review. I note that reviews can be done at the direction of the minister as well. That is something that may answer some of the concerns.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031605\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am pretty sure this is not a perfect instrument, and I do not think it has been suggested that it is. It is a way forward, though, and NDP members supported it in the last Parliament because it was a step forward from what was in existence up until right now. There is no form of civilian oversight of this organization, and the lack of that kind of oversight has been noted for many years.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031606\" data-originallang=\"en\">Enforcement officers have enormous powers, and they are a necessity. Officers deal in many cases with people in vulnerable circumstances, people who are refugees. Forty-one thousand refugees crossed into Canada during the last Parliament. These people are vulnerable. They are susceptible to being unable to complain or to feeling that complaining would potentially cause them problems, so vigorous oversight is needed there. It is important for us to ensure that this oversight takes place. There may be a need for third parties to approach the committee to make sure that the policies and practices that are in place adequately meet the required standards when enforcement officers are dealing with civilians whom they are entrusted to look after while also ensuring that the law is enforced.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031607\" data-originallang=\"en\">Those are some of the concerns that New Democrats will be looking at carefully in committee. I am disturbed to hear that the examination of what happens in detention is excluded from this bill, but I am going to be looking very carefully at that. We do note, as was noted before in one of the speeches, that since the year 2000 there have been at least 14 deaths of people while in detention. I am not suggesting that these deaths were the result of negligence or improper behaviour, but the question remains. These were not able to be investigated by any outside agency specifically in relation to the behaviour toward and treatment of individuals who may have had ill-treatment in custody. Whether or not there was in these individual cases, I am obviously not in a position to say.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031608\" data-originallang=\"en\">However, the public must have confidence, ultimately, that there is a sufficient degree of transparency and oversight in order to believe that CBSA officers are acting not only in the public interest and for the safety of Canada, but also in a proper way when they are dealing with individuals, and that they are not abusing their position of power and trust. People must know they have recourse with a proper, independent, robust and accessible process that will make sure justice is done following any violation of proper and appropriate behaviour.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031609\" data-originallang=\"en\">As was mentioned earlier, this is not something the union of the employees involved rejects. This is something it regards as proper and appropriate as well. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031610\" data-originallang=\"en\">Having said all of that, New Democrats support this legislation being brought forward at second reading. We look forward to having an appropriate period of time to consider it and bring forward witnesses who can help with the analysis of it and offer their recommendations and opinions.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"6031590\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la pr\u00e9sidente, je suis heureux d'avoir l'occasion de prendre la parole au sujet du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"10613928\" href=\"/bills/43-1/C-3/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Royal Canadian Mounted Police Act and the Canada Border Services Agency Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts\">C-3</a>, Loi modifiant la Loi sur la Gendarmerie royale du Canada et la Loi sur l'Agence des services frontaliers du Canada et apportant des modifications corr\u00e9latives \u00e0 d'autres lois. J'ai bien aim\u00e9 le pr\u00e9ambule du <a data-HoCid=\"253386\" href=\"/politicians/bill-blair/\" title=\"Bill Blair\">ministre</a> responsable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031591\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens \u00e0 dire, tout d'abord, que l'Agence des services frontaliers du Canada effectue un travail tr\u00e8s important pour garantir la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 du Canada et de ses habitants, et qu'elle applique quelque 70 r\u00e8glements et lois qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 adopt\u00e9s par le Parlement ou qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 mis en vigueur gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 d'autres processus ad\u00e9quats. L'Agence accomplit un travail important. Elle est responsable de plus de 7 000 agents qui g\u00e8rent 130 postes frontaliers, et elle joue donc un r\u00f4le essentiel.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031592\" data-originallang=\"en\">Dans le cadre de leurs fonctions, les agents des services frontaliers d\u00e9tiennent aussi des pouvoirs assez extraordinaires, qui d\u00e9passent probablement ceux de beaucoup d'agences polici\u00e8res et d'application de la loi. Ils peuvent arr\u00eater et d\u00e9tenir des personnes qu'ils soup\u00e7onnent de se trouver au Canada de fa\u00e7on ill\u00e9gale. Ils peuvent proc\u00e9der \u00e0 une arrestation avec ou sans mandat. Ils peuvent arr\u00eater des gens qu'ils soup\u00e7onnent d'avoir contrevenu \u00e0 la loi et les d\u00e9tenir, dans certains cas, pendant une p\u00e9riode ind\u00e9termin\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031593\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme il a \u00e9t\u00e9 soulign\u00e9, 96 millions de voyageurs quittent le Canada et y entrent chaque ann\u00e9e, et nous ne recevons pas 96 millions de plaintes. Il est donc assez clair que la majeure partie du travail accompli ne fait pas l'objet de plaintes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031594\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il va sans dire que, quand on parle de plaintes, on parle de possibles manquements \u00e0 la conduite appropri\u00e9e. Les plaintes ne s'av\u00e8rent pas toujours fond\u00e9es, mais il y en a assez qui le sont pour qu'on puisse \u00eatre pr\u00e9occup\u00e9 par le risque d'inconduite au sein de cet organisme d'application de la loi. D'ailleurs, des enqu\u00eates men\u00e9es par l'Agence m\u00eame ont permis de confirmer que certaines plaintes \u00e9taient justifi\u00e9es. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031595\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cet organisme est rest\u00e9 sans surveillance pendant longtemps, ce qui \u00e9tait pr\u00e9occupant. En 2010, le juge O'Connor avait recommand\u00e9 qu'une surveillance soit mise en place, mais cela n'a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 fait. Le NPD avait soulev\u00e9 la question cette ann\u00e9e-l\u00e0, \u00e0 l'\u00e9poque du gouvernement conservateur, apr\u00e8s et avant la recommandation du juge O'Connor, puis jusqu'\u00e0 la derni\u00e8re l\u00e9gislature. Je n'\u00e9tais pas ici, mais je sais que mes coll\u00e8gues l'ont fait. Ils n'ont pas \u00e9t\u00e9 les seuls. Des organismes publics bien connus et respect\u00e9s, comme l'Association du Barreau canadien, Amnistie internationale et l'Association des libert\u00e9s civiles de la Colombie-Britannique, pour n'en nommer que quelques-uns, ont constat\u00e9 et signal\u00e9 d'importantes failles dans les activit\u00e9s et le comportement de l'Agence des services frontaliers du Canada dans le cadre de l'application de la loi. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031596\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il est plut\u00f4t \u00e9vident que des changements doivent \u00eatre apport\u00e9s. Le <a data-HoCid=\"253386\" href=\"/politicians/bill-blair/\" title=\"Bill Blair\">ministre</a> a lui-m\u00eame dit qu'ils sont attendus depuis longtemps et il a reconnu que le projet de loi ou une mesure l\u00e9gislative semblable aurait d\u00fb \u00eatre pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 beaucoup plus t\u00f4t. Il est regrettable que cette lacune n'ait pas \u00e9t\u00e9 combl\u00e9e avant aujourd'hui, mais nous sommes encourag\u00e9s par le fait que nous sommes maintenant saisis du projet de loi.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031597\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement lib\u00e9ral a bien pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 un projet de loi \u00e0 la fin de la derni\u00e8re l\u00e9gislature, mais c'\u00e9tait \u00e0 peine quelques semaines avant que la session parlementaire prenne fin, alors disons qu'il s'agissait d'un effort timide. Le projet de loi a \u00e9t\u00e9 renvoy\u00e9 au S\u00e9nat le 19 juin, la veille de la fin de la session parlementaire, sans espoir que les s\u00e9nateurs lui accordent une attention particuli\u00e8re. Le gouvernement lib\u00e9ral m\u00e9rite des reproches pour ne pas avoir pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 de projet de loi plus t\u00f4t afin qu'une discussion et un d\u00e9bat complets puissent avoir lieu.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031598\" data-originallang=\"en\">Quelques changements ont maintenant \u00e9t\u00e9 apport\u00e9s. Les r\u00e9ponses du <a data-HoCid=\"253386\" href=\"/politicians/bill-blair/\" title=\"Bill Blair\">ministre</a> lorsqu'on lui a pos\u00e9 des questions sur les consultations ne me donnent pas l'impression que des consultations s\u00e9rieuses ont \u00e9t\u00e9 men\u00e9es aupr\u00e8s du syndicat concern\u00e9. Des membres du syndicat ont comparu devant le comit\u00e9. Le Syndicat des douanes et de l'immigration a son mot \u00e0 dire. Je pense que le syndicat est g\u00e9n\u00e9ralement favorable \u00e0 l'id\u00e9e de la reddition de comptes, car elle donne \u00e9galement aux agents pouvant faire l'objet d'une plainte l'occasion d'\u00eatre innocent\u00e9s si la plainte n'est pas fond\u00e9e et ce processus peut se faire de mani\u00e8re publique.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031599\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cela dit, nous devons examiner soigneusement certaines des dispositions du projet de loi. Est-ce que la Commission examinera simplement les plaintes et les enqu\u00eates qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 faites \u00e0 l'interne? Dans quelle mesure le projet de loi pr\u00e9voira-t-il la tenue d'enqu\u00eates ind\u00e9pendantes? Le pouvoir de mener de telles enqu\u00eates est pr\u00e9vu. Reste \u00e0 voir comment il sera mis en pratique.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031600\" data-originallang=\"en\">Serons-nous aux prises avec un arri\u00e9r\u00e9, comme nous l'avons observ\u00e9 avec le syst\u00e8me de la Commission civile d\u2019examen et de traitement des plaintes relatives \u00e0 la GRC? Des fonds suppl\u00e9mentaires ont \u00e9t\u00e9 accord\u00e9s, et je constate que le projet de loi contient des dispositions qui portent sur des normes de rendement en mati\u00e8re de traitement des plaintes. Le probl\u00e8me, avec les organismes de surveillance comme celui-ci, c'est qu'on ne sait pas vraiment si le simple fait d'\u00e9tablir des normes de rendement est suffisant et si le gouvernement est d\u00e9termin\u00e9 \u00e0 r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 ses besoins de financement ou d'effectifs. Nous devons nous pencher sur ces questions pour mieux pr\u00e9voir ce qui va se passer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031601\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le NPD souscrit au principe du projet de loi, et nous allons certainement l'appuyer \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape de la deuxi\u00e8me lecture. Nous verrons si le ministre est pr\u00eat \u00e0 consid\u00e9rer des amendements pendant l'\u00e9tude au comit\u00e9. Je ne vais pas en proposer \u00e0 la Chambre aujourd'hui, mais j'aimerais que le ministre soit pr\u00eat \u00e0 prendre en consid\u00e9ration les arguments de ceux qui pourraient proposer des amendements visant \u00e0 am\u00e9liorer le projet de loi et \u00e0 le rendre plus efficace.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031602\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons entendu certaines pr\u00e9occupations du milieu juridique par rapport \u00e0 l'incidence des pratiques de l'organisme sur le secret professionnel, car il y a bel et bien des aspects pr\u00e9occupants \u00e0 cet \u00e9gard. Il faut r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 ces pr\u00e9occupations, si ce n'est d\u00e9j\u00e0 fait. Je ne suis pas s\u00fbr qu'on y a r\u00e9pondu jusqu'\u00e0 pr\u00e9sent.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031603\" data-originallang=\"en\">De plus, comme je l'ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 indiqu\u00e9 \u00e0 la d\u00e9put\u00e9e de <a data-HoCid=\"252573\" href=\"/politicians/christine-normandin/\" title=\"Christine Normandin\">Saint-Jean</a>, nous aimerions pouvoir examiner les politiques et les pratiques. D'ailleurs, le projet de loi donne au comit\u00e9 l'occasion de se pencher sur certaines pratiques. J'aimerais voir le comit\u00e9 mener une \u00e9tude rigoureuse. Je suppose que cela d\u00e9pendra de sa composition.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031604\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais que ce type d'examen puisse \u00eatre men\u00e9 sur l'initiative d'un autre organisme. Par exemple, l'Association du Barreau canadien pourrait vouloir que le comit\u00e9 se penche sur une pratique potentiellement probl\u00e9matique, qu'elle se rapporte au secret professionnel ou \u00e0 des incidents r\u00e9currents. D'autres organismes ext\u00e9rieurs pourraient \u00e9galement demander au comit\u00e9 de mener un examen. Je note que des examens peuvent \u00eatre aussi faits \u00e0 la demande du ministre comp\u00e9tent. Cela pourrait apaiser certaines inqui\u00e9tudes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031605\" data-originallang=\"en\">La pr\u00e9sente mesure n'est sans doute pas un outil parfait \u2014 et je pense que personne n'a soutenu le contraire \u2014, mais c'est malgr\u00e9 tout une fa\u00e7on d'avancer. Le NPD avait appuy\u00e9 cette mesure lors de la l\u00e9gislature pr\u00e9c\u00e9dente parce qu'elle repr\u00e9sentait une am\u00e9lioration par rapport au syst\u00e8me existant. En effet, \u00e0 l'heure actuelle, l'Agence des services frontaliers du Canada ne fait l'objet d'aucune surveillance civile. Cela fait des ann\u00e9es qu'on signale ce probl\u00e8me.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031606\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les agents de la paix poss\u00e8dent d'\u00e9normes pouvoirs, et ils jouent un r\u00f4le indispensable. Dans bien des cas, ils ont affaire \u00e0 des personnes vuln\u00e9rables, \u00e0 des r\u00e9fugi\u00e9s. Durant la derni\u00e8re l\u00e9gislature, 41 000 r\u00e9fugi\u00e9s sont entr\u00e9s au Canada. Ces gens sont vuln\u00e9rables. Il est possible qu'ils ne puissent pas se plaindre ou qu'ils estiment que le faire pourrait leur causer des probl\u00e8mes. Une surveillance rigoureuse s'impose donc. Nous devons nous assurer que des m\u00e9canismes de surveillance sont en place. Il pourrait \u00eatre n\u00e9cessaire pour des tiers de s'adresser au comit\u00e9 pour v\u00e9rifier que les politiques et les pratiques en vigueur respectent les normes requises quand on confie aux agents de la paix la t\u00e2che de s'occuper de civils, tout en veillant \u00e0 l'application de la loi. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031607\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce sont l\u00e0 quelques-unes des pr\u00e9occupations que les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates examineront attentivement au comit\u00e9. Je suis troubl\u00e9 d'entendre que le projet de loi ne pr\u00e9voit aucun examen relativement \u00e0 ce qui se passe dans les centres de d\u00e9tention, mais je compte \u00e9tudier cette question de tr\u00e8s pr\u00e8s. Soulignons un fait qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 mentionn\u00e9 dans une autre intervention: depuis 2000, au moins 14 personnes sont mortes en d\u00e9tention. Je ne veux pas laisser entendre que ces d\u00e9c\u00e8s sont attribuables \u00e0 la n\u00e9gligence ou \u00e0 un comportement inappropri\u00e9, mais la question demeure. Ces cas n'ont pas pu faire l'objet d'une enqu\u00eate de la part d'un organisme externe, plus pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment en ce qui concerne les comportements \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard des d\u00e9tenus et le traitement de personnes qui ont peut-\u00eatre \u00e9t\u00e9 maltrait\u00e9es pendant leur d\u00e9tention. \u00c9videmment, je ne suis pas en mesure de dire s'il en a \u00e9t\u00e9 ainsi dans ces cas pr\u00e9cis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031608\" data-originallang=\"en\">Toutefois, les citoyens doivent, au bout du compte, avoir la certitude qu'il existe un degr\u00e9 suffisant de transparence et de surveillance pour en arriver \u00e0 croire non seulement que les agents de l'ASFC agissent dans l'int\u00e9r\u00eat public et pour la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 du Canada, mais aussi qu'ils traitent les personnes de mani\u00e8re appropri\u00e9e, sans abuser de leur position de pouvoir et de confiance. Il faut que les gens sachent qu'ils peuvent avoir recours \u00e0 un processus appropri\u00e9, ind\u00e9pendant, solide et accessible qui garantira que justice soit faite en cas de comportement inad\u00e9quat et inacceptable. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031609\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je le r\u00e9p\u00e8te, le syndicat des employ\u00e9s concern\u00e9s ne rejette pas ce constat. Il trouve, lui aussi, que c'est ad\u00e9quat et juste. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"6031610\" data-originallang=\"en\">Bref, les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates appuient cette mesure l\u00e9gislative \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape de la deuxi\u00e8me lecture. Nous avons h\u00e2te d'y consacrer suffisamment de temps pour l'examiner et inviter des t\u00e9moins qui pourront nous aider \u00e0 l'analyser et nous faire part de leurs recommandations et opinions.</p>"
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        "en": "Government Orders",
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        "fr": "La Loi sur la Gendarmerie royale du Canada"
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