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{
    "time": "2019-06-10 22:00:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mrs. Cathy McLeod",
        "fr": "Mme Cathy McLeod"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5981918\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, I absolutely talked about the bill. I went from the small picture of the bill and to the broader picture of the philosophy of the government. Obviously it all feeds back into what was a very arbitrary move in part 2 of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"10164459\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-88/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act and the Canada Petroleum Resources Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts\">C-88</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981919\" data-originallang=\"en\">With energy east, new things were imposed on the company that made it uncompetitive. All of a sudden, company representatives had to meet criteria around upstream and downstream emissions. They knew those same criteria were not being imposed on foreign imports. They knew they were putting good money after bad if they continued, so they walked away from the process. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981920\" data-originallang=\"en\">As soon as the Liberals took office, they immediately cancelled northern gateway. The National Energy Board had approved it with conditions and the Liberals just cancelled it. Eventually, we got some very clear guidance from the courts around what needed to be done with indigenous consultation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981921\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The next pipeline on the list was the Trans Mountain. Unfortunately, the Liberals did not bother to do what the courts had told them to do with the northern gateway decision. They were given a recipe and clear directions and they said they would follow that for the Trans Mountain pipeline.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981922\" data-originallang=\"en\"> The Liberals have put all their eggs into one basket. I know the Liberals have said they want to shut down the oil sands. They have done everything they can to do so. For some reason, they have decided they will support one pipeline, because they want to play both sides in this debate. They blew the consultation process. We thought they were doing it properly. They talked about how they were putting extra effort into it. However, we found out that the Liberals had not done proper consultations. They did not follow the guidance that was given in the northern gateway decision and they were put back to the drawing board.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981923\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Meanwhile, the Liberals bought the pipeline. From all accounts, they spent $1 billion too much and then they could not build it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981924\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to talk a bit about this pipeline. The Trans Mountain pipeline is going to be very important for my riding for a number of reasons, and I will also link this to the Liberals' lack of concern for natural resources.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981925\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have the softwood lumber dispute, which has now been unsolved since the Liberals took office. I have a community on this pipeline route which has just lost one of its mills. The people in the community are saying to please ensure the Trans Mountain pipeline gets built. They know it will not be a long-term solution but it will see them through. They say that the 18 months of construction for the Trans Mountain pipeline will see them through an incredibly difficult time, from the shutdown of their mill, their forestry industry and loss of over 180 well-paying jobs. Certainly, the Liberals' lack of ability for the softwood industry to get that deal done has impacted that community. Now the people in the community are pleading to get the Trans Mountain pipeline built.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981926\" data-originallang=\"en\">Here we have a bill, one for which the Liberals voted. In part A, they are making some changes to deal with the court issue. However, part B is really about the Liberals' anti-energy position, their anti-natural resources position, their desire to shut down the oil stands and their desire to shut down drilling in the Beaufort.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981927\" data-originallang=\"en\"> We all recognize we need to move toward a lighter carbon footprint. However, why should we be importing oil when the demand is there? Technology is going to take us there. Meanwhile, Canada needs to benefit from the opportunities we have. The government is totally uninterested and unwilling to do so.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5981918\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, j'ai bel et bien parl\u00e9 du projet de loi. J'ai commenc\u00e9 par le d\u00e9tail, pour ensuite tracer un portrait d'ensemble qui illustre la philosophie du gouvernement. Bien entendu, tout cela a un lien avec la d\u00e9cision arbitraire qu'on trouve dans la partie 2 du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"10164459\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-88/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act and the Canada Petroleum Resources Act and to make consequential amendments to other Acts\">C-88</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981919\" data-originallang=\"en\">Avec \u00c9nergie Est, on a impos\u00e9 de nouvelles choses \u00e0 l'entreprise qui l'ont rendue non comp\u00e9titive. Soudainement, les repr\u00e9sentants de l'entreprise devaient respecter des crit\u00e8res concernant les \u00e9missions en amont et en aval. Ils savaient que de tels crit\u00e8res n'\u00e9taient pas impos\u00e9s aux importations. Ils savaient qu'ils gaspilleraient leur argent en continuant et ils ont donc abandonn\u00e9 le processus.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981920\" data-originallang=\"en\">Aussit\u00f4t que les lib\u00e9raux sont arriv\u00e9s au pouvoir, ils ont imm\u00e9diatement annul\u00e9 le projet Northern Gateway. L'Office national de l'\u00e9nergie l'avait approuv\u00e9, sous conditions, et les lib\u00e9raux l'ont tout simplement annul\u00e9. Finalement, les tribunaux ont \u00e9mis des directives tr\u00e8s claires au sujet des consultations avec les Autochtones. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981921\" data-originallang=\"en\">Venait ensuite, dans la liste, le pipeline Trans Mountain. Les lib\u00e9raux n'ont malheureusement pas pris la peine de suivre les directives que leur avaient fournies les tribunaux dans la d\u00e9cision Northern Gateway. Ils ont re\u00e7u une recette et des directives claires et ils ont dit qu'ils les appliqueraient au pipeline Trans Mountain.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981922\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Les lib\u00e9raux mettent tous leurs oeufs dans le m\u00eame panier. Je sais qu'ils affirment vouloir mettre fin \u00e0 l'exploitation des sables bitumineux et qu'ils font tout leur possible pour y arriver. Ils semblent avoir d\u00e9cid\u00e9, pour une raison quelconque, de soutenir un seul pipeline, parce qu'ils veulent m\u00e9nager la ch\u00e8vre et le chou dans ce d\u00e9bat. Les lib\u00e9raux ont bousill\u00e9 le processus de consultation. Nous pensions qu'ils faisaient les choses correctement, et ils affirmaient avoir redoubl\u00e9 d'efforts. Nous avons toutefois appris qu'ils n'avaient pas men\u00e9 de consultations appropri\u00e9es. Ils n'ont pas suivi les directives contenues dans la d\u00e9cision \u00e0 propos de Northern Gateway, et ils ont d\u00fb retourner faire leurs devoirs.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981923\" data-originallang=\"en\">Entretemps, les lib\u00e9raux ont achet\u00e9 le pipeline. Tout porte \u00e0 croire qu'ils l'ont pay\u00e9 1 milliard de dollars trop cher, et ils n'ont pas pu mener \u00e0 bien le projet. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981924\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais m'attarder un peu sur le pipeline Trans Mountain, car il aura beaucoup d'importance dans ma circonscription pour diff\u00e9rentes raisons. Je ferai aussi un lien entre ce dossier et le peu d'int\u00e9r\u00eat des lib\u00e9raux \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard des ressources naturelles.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981925\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a le conflit sur le bois d'\u0153uvre, qui a \u00e9clat\u00e9 de nouveau depuis que les lib\u00e9raux sont arriv\u00e9s au pouvoir. Une collectivit\u00e9 dans ma circonscription, qui se trouve le long du trac\u00e9 de cet ol\u00e9oduc, vient de perdre l'une de ses usines. Les habitants de la collectivit\u00e9 r\u00e9clament que l'on r\u00e9alise le projet d'expansion de l'ol\u00e9oduc Trans Mountain. Ils savent qu'il ne s'agit pas d'une solution \u00e0 long terme, mais elle leur permettra de survivre. Ils disent que la r\u00e9alisation du projet d'expansion de l'ol\u00e9oduc Trans Mountain, qui durera 18 mois, leur permettra de traverser une p\u00e9riode extr\u00eamement difficile, \u00e0 savoir la fermeture de leur usine et de leur industrie foresti\u00e8re et la perte de plus de 180 emplois bien r\u00e9mun\u00e9r\u00e9s. Il est \u00e9vident que l'incapacit\u00e9 des lib\u00e9raux \u00e0 conclure un accord dans le dossier de l'industrie du bois d'\u0153uvre a eu une incidence sur cette collectivit\u00e9. Maintenant, les habitants supplient pour qu'on r\u00e9alise le projet d'expansion de l'ol\u00e9oduc Trans Mountain.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981926\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous sommes actuellement saisis d'un projet de loi pour lequel les lib\u00e9raux ont vot\u00e9. Dans la partie A, ils apportent quelques changements pour r\u00e9gler le probl\u00e8me des tribunaux. Or, la partie B porte en fait sur la position anti-\u00e9nergie des lib\u00e9raux, sur leur position anti-ressources naturelles, sur leur d\u00e9sir d'\u00e9liminer les sables bitumineux et de mettre un terme au forage dans la mer de Beaufort.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5981927\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Nous convenons tous qu'il faut r\u00e9duire notre empreinte carbone. Toutefois, pourquoi devrions-nous importer du p\u00e9trole quand la demande est l\u00e0? La technologie nous permettra d'y arriver. Entretemps, le Canada doit saisir les occasions qui s'offrent \u00e0 lui. Le gouvernement n'a pas du tout l'intention de le faire. Cela ne l'int\u00e9resse pas.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2019/6/10/cathy-mcleod-5/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/cathy-mcleod/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/1124/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "10691869",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": "Ordres \u00e9manant du gouvernement"
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Mackenzie Valley Resource Management Act",
        "fr": "La Loi sur la gestion des ressources de la vall\u00e9e du Mackenzie"
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2019/6/10/",
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