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{
    "time": "2018-10-02 15:30:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Robert-Falcon Ouellette",
        "fr": "M. Robert-Falcon Ouellette"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5545465\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, I think any type of spiritual and religious experience is important for people. It could even be Christian. At the end of the day, if this centre allows someone to be even more successful when they reintegrate into society and contribute in some way, I think that is important for all of us. However, that process may take a long time. Do we want to have someone locked up for another 21 years who will not be a safe person within society or even contribute within the prison system? We want prisons to be safe places. We do not want to create prisons of fear. I remember reading back in the 1990s how people were so fearful of going to a prison, because they could raped, beaten up and killed there. Is this the type of place we want to have people coming out of into our society, where they have this amount of fear and have learned to act in these types of ways? I have heard time and again that people learn more bad than good in the prison system. I hope that is not true. However, if it is true, we have to recognize that eventually they are going to be living next door to us. If we are in downtown Winnipeg, they might be right there beside us. We are going to come out of our office building and they will try to get something off us. Therefore, we have to make sure that we create that safe society not only on the outside when they get out, but also inside that prison system. We cannot do it if we have a society based on retribution and absolute punishment all the time. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5545466\" data-originallang=\"en\">We can pretend we want to hang someone, but why do the Conservatives not actually put that forward, that their real motion is about setting up the death penalty or something like that, because that is the fundamentally where they want to go with this?</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5545465\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, je pense que tout type d\u2019exp\u00e9rience spirituelle et religieuse est important pour les gens. Ce pourrait m\u00eame \u00eatre chr\u00e9tien. En fin de compte, si ce centre permet \u00e0 quelqu\u2019un de r\u00e9ussir encore mieux lorsqu\u2019il se r\u00e9ins\u00e8re dans la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 et contribue \u00e0 cette r\u00e9insertion d\u2019une fa\u00e7on ou d\u2019une autre, je pense que c\u2019est important pour nous tous. Cependant, c'est un cheminement qui peut prendre beaucoup de temps. Voulons-nous qu'une personne soit enferm\u00e9e pendant encore 21 ans et qu\u2019\u00e0 sa sortie, on ne puisse pas lui faire confiance dans la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 ou qu\u2019elle ne contribue m\u00eame pas \u00e0 sa r\u00e9adaptation pendant qu'elle se trouve dans le syst\u00e8me carc\u00e9ral? Nous voulons que les prisons soient des lieux s\u00fbrs. Nous ne voulons pas cr\u00e9er des prisons o\u00f9 r\u00e8gne la peur. Je me souviens d\u2019avoir lu quelque part, dans les ann\u00e9es 1990, que les gens avaient tr\u00e8s peur d\u2019aller en prison, parce qu\u2019ils pouvaient y \u00eatre viol\u00e9s, pass\u00e9s \u00e0 tabac et tu\u00e9s. Est-ce le genre d\u2019endroit d\u2019o\u00f9 nous voulons que les gens sortent pour r\u00e9int\u00e9grer notre soci\u00e9t\u00e9, un endroit o\u00f9 ils vivent une profonde peur et o\u00f9 ils apprennent \u00e0 se comporter de mani\u00e8re \u00e0 survivre dans ce type d\u2019environnement? J\u2019ai entendu dire \u00e0 maintes reprises que les gens apprennent \u00e0 se comporter plut\u00f4t mal que bien dans le syst\u00e8me carc\u00e9ral. J\u2019esp\u00e8re que ce n\u2019est pas vrai. Cependant, si c\u2019est vrai, nous devons comprendre qu\u2019ils finiront par retourner vivre dans la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 en g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. Ils pourraient r\u00f4der au centre-ville de Winnipeg et s'y trouver parmi nous. D\u00e8s que nous sortirons de notre immeuble de bureaux, ils essaieront de nous voler. Par cons\u00e9quent, nous devons t\u00e2cher de cr\u00e9er une soci\u00e9t\u00e9 s\u00fbre non seulement \u00e0 l\u2019ext\u00e9rieur, o\u00f9 les d\u00e9linquants finiront par retourner vivre, mais aussi \u00e0 l\u2019int\u00e9rieur du syst\u00e8me carc\u00e9ral. C'est un objectif qui restera hors de port\u00e9e si la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 cherche constamment, avant toute chose, la vengeance et le ch\u00e2timent \u00e0 l'\u00e9tat pur.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5545466\" data-originallang=\"en\">L'id\u00e9e de pendre une personne reste fictive, mais pourquoi les conservateurs ne nous la proposent-ils pas pour vrai? Ils devraient nous dire clairement que leur v\u00e9ritable intention consiste \u00e0 r\u00e9tablir la peine de mort ou d'adopter une mesure du genre, parce c'est fondamentalement le genre d'orientation qu'ils ont adopt\u00e9e dans ce dossier.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2018/10/2/robert-falcon-ouellette-4/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/robert-falcon-ouellette/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4410/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "10280965",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": "Ordres \u00e9manant du gouvernement"
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Business of Supply",
        "fr": "Travaux des subsides"
    },
    "h3": {
        "en": "Opposition Motion\u2014Justice",
        "fr": "Motion de l'opposition \u2014 La justice"
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2018/10/2/",
    "related": {
        "document_speeches_url": "/speeches/?document=%2Fdebates%2F2018%2F10%2F2%2F"
    }
}