Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2017-03-20 12:30:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Ms. Elizabeth May (Saanich\u2014Gulf Islands, GP)",
        "fr": "Mme Elizabeth May (Saanich\u2014Gulf Islands, PV)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"4806516\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madam Speaker, with all due respect to the hon. <a data-HoCid=\"224672\" href=\"/politicians/bardish-chagger/\" title=\"Bardish Chagger\">government House leader</a>, it is not that members over here cannot fathom things, but that we do not agree that we are working together when we are looking at legislation that still needs to be as robust as it can be and respect the role of parliamentarians on the committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"4806517\" data-originallang=\"en\"> For instance, parliamentarians on the committee would lose parliamentary privilege and are assumed somehow to be not trustworthy, yet the government has done nothing to create the same kind of restrictions for the other review agencies, such as SIRC, on which the previous prime minister put a known fraudster in charge. Arthur Porter had access to all state secrets. Under Bill <a data-HoCid=\"8364795\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-22/\" title=\"An Act to establish the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians and to make consequential amendments to certain Acts\">C-22</a> as now drafted, senators and members of Parliament would have even more restrictive access than a civilian who is the head of SIRC. There are substantive issues of concern here. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"4806518\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would quickly like to note a historical record. The hon. <a data-HoCid=\"224672\" href=\"/politicians/bardish-chagger/\" title=\"Bardish Chagger\">government House leader</a> is absolutely right that the Conservatives used closure 100 times in the 41st Parliament. However, the problem here is that what they did, which was egregious, seems to have normalized a practice that should not be seen as normal at all. In the early part of the 20th century there was a 40-year period in which closure was used exactly seven times. I do appreciate that the Liberal government is using it less, but it should be using it far less so that we could go back not just to a bar set by what Harper did, but to a bar set by normal parliamentary practice when debates did not face so many time allocations.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"4806516\" data-originallang=\"en\">Madame la Pr\u00e9sidente, avec tout le respect que je dois \u00e0 la <a data-HoCid=\"224672\" href=\"/politicians/bardish-chagger/\" title=\"Bardish Chagger\">leader du gouvernement \u00e0 la Chambre</a>, je pr\u00e9cise n\u00e9anmoins que les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de ce c\u00f4t\u00e9-ci sont en mesure de comprendre cette mesure l\u00e9gislative, mais qu'ils ne s'estiment pas en mesure d'y souscrire, car elle doit \u00eatre renforc\u00e9e substantiellement et doit \u00e9galement respecter le r\u00f4le des parlementaires au sein du comit\u00e9. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"4806517\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je signale entre autres que les parlementaires qui si\u00e8gent au comit\u00e9 perdraient leur privil\u00e8ge parlementaire, ce qui remet ni plus ni moins en question leur fiabilit\u00e9. Pourtant, le gouvernement n'a jamais impos\u00e9 le m\u00eame genre de restrictions aux autres organismes d'examen; je songe notamment au CSARS, dont l'ancien premier ministre avait confi\u00e9 la responsabilit\u00e9 \u00e0 un fraudeur notoire. Arthur Porter avait acc\u00e8s \u00e0 tous les secrets d'\u00c9tat. Or, en vertu du libell\u00e9 actuel du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"8364795\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-22/\" title=\"An Act to establish the National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians and to make consequential amendments to certain Acts\">C-22</a>, les s\u00e9nateurs et les d\u00e9put\u00e9s auraient encore moins acc\u00e8s aux affaires de l'\u00c9tat qu'un simple citoyen \u00e0 la t\u00eate du CSARS. Plusieurs dispositions de cette mesure suscitent de s\u00e9rieuses pr\u00e9occupations. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"4806518\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je mentionne bri\u00e8vement un fait historique. La <a data-HoCid=\"224672\" href=\"/politicians/bardish-chagger/\" title=\"Bardish Chagger\">leader du gouvernement \u00e0 la Chambre</a> a tout \u00e0 fait raison d'affirmer que les conservateurs ont eu recours \u00e0 la cl\u00f4ture \u00e0 100 reprises au cours de la 41<sup>e</sup> l\u00e9gislature. Cependant, le probl\u00e8me vient du fait que cette pratique scandaleuse du gouvernement pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent semble \u00eatre devenue normale, alors qu'elle ne devrait absolument pas \u00eatre consid\u00e9r\u00e9e comme telle. Au d\u00e9but du XX<sup>e</sup> si\u00e8cle, pendant une p\u00e9riode de 40 ans, le gouvernement a utilis\u00e9 la cl\u00f4ture exactement sept fois. Je reconnais que l'actuel gouvernement lib\u00e9ral a recours moins souvent \u00e0 l'attribution de temps que son pr\u00e9d\u00e9cesseur. Cependant, il devrait y recourir nettement moins fr\u00e9quemment afin de r\u00e9tablir une pratique parlementaire normale qui ne corresponde pas \u00e0 celle que le gouvernement Harper avait \u00e9tablie. </p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2017/3/20/elizabeth-may-1/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/elizabeth-may/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/4108/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "9427694",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": "Initiatives Minist\u00e9rielles"
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "National Security and Intelligence Committee of Parliamentarians Act",
        "fr": "Loi sur le Comit\u00e9 des parlementaires sur la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 nationale et le renseignement"
    },
    "h3": {
        "en": "Bill C-22--Time Allocation Motion",
        "fr": "Projet de loi C-22 \u2014 Motion d'attribution de temps"
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2017/3/20/",
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