Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2014-09-22 15:20:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "The Speaker",
        "fr": "Le Pr\u00e9sident"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3827735\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Before providing my decision on the selection of report stage motions for Bill <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">C-13, An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act</a>, I would like to address the concerns raised and the supplementary information provided earlier today by the hon. member for <a data-HoCid=\"170462\" href=\"/politicians/randall-garrison/\" title=\"Randall Garrison\">Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca</a>, concerning report stage Motion No. 3, standing in his name on the notice paper. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827736\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would like to thank the honourable member for having raised this matter.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827737\" data-originallang=\"fr\">As mentioned by the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170462\" href=\"/politicians/randall-garrison/\" title=\"Randall Garrison\">Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca</a>, he also did write to me to urge that I select his report stage motion on the basis of exceptional significance. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827738\" data-originallang=\"en\">I wish to reassure the hon. member that I have carefully reviewed all the relevant contextual and substantive circumstances surrounding the matter. While each case is different, and occasionally there are exceptional circumstances that merit the selection of certain report stage motions, ultimately I must be guided by the procedural practice relating to the selection of report stage motions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827739\" data-originallang=\"fr\"><em>House of Commons Procedure and Practice</em> sets the following general principle with respect to the selection of report stage motions. At page 783 it states:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827740\" data-originallang=\"fr\">As a general principle, the Speaker seeks to forestall debate on the floor of the House which is simply a repetition of the debate in committee\u2026the Speaker will normally only select motions in amendment that could not have been presented in committee.</p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827741\" data-originallang=\"fr\">More guidance as to the selection of report stage motions can be found in Standing Orders 76(5) and 76.1(5). The note accompanying those standing orders states, in part:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827742\" data-originallang=\"fr\">A motion previously defeated in committee, will only be selected if the Speaker judges it to be of such exceptional significance as to warrant a further consideration at report stage.</p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827743\" data-originallang=\"en\">As evidenced by his first having written a detailed letter, and now having raised the matter again in the form of a point of order, the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170462\" href=\"/politicians/randall-garrison/\" title=\"Randall Garrison\">Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca</a> clearly feels that the circumstances surrounding the committee's consideration of his amendment are exceptional, and on that basis, the House as a whole should decide whether Bill <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">C-13</a> should be amended in the fashion he is proposing. While I understand his argument, I would remind him that the Chair cannot make decisions on selection based on the likely outcome of the vote.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827744\" data-originallang=\"en\">As I stated in the decision on December 12, 2012, page 13224 in the <em>Debates</em>, in relation to a point of order raised by the government House leader:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827745\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Chair is and will continue to be guided by procedural imperatives in all of its decisions, not by somehow substituting the Speaker's prediction of the likely outcome of a vote expressed by the House itself.</p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827746\" data-originallang=\"en\">His belief that the outcome might be different in the House from what it was in committee, or that a certain foreknowledge exists as to the will of the House on a given question, is not sufficient grounds for the Chair to determine that exceptional circumstances exist that would warrant the selection of this particular amendment.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827747\" data-originallang=\"en\">Furthermore, I would note that Bill <a data-HoCid=\"6251806\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-279/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code (gender identity)\">C-279, An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code (gender identity)</a> at present stands referred to a Senate committee. The Criminal Code has not yet been amended in the manner that Bill C-279 proposes. Presumably, as both Bill C-279 and Bill <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">C-13</a> advance through the legislative process, Parliament will, in due course, choose which approach it prefers.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827748\" data-originallang=\"en\">With respect to the existing practice relating to report stage, I would remind members that since 2001, report stage has undergone a significant evolution so as not to repeat debate that already occurred in committee. As such, the Speaker is empowered to decline to put report stage motions that would be tantamount to a repetition of the work that was already done in committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827749\" data-originallang=\"en\">Were I to select Motion No. 3 on the basis of the arguments put forward by the member, I fear it could lead exactly to a situation that our report stage practice was designed to avoid, namely a repetition of the debate that occurred in committee on this matter. Therefore, I must inform the member that Motion No. 3 will not be selected for consideration at report stage.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827750\" data-originallang=\"fr\">There are nine motions in amendment standing on the notice paper for the report stage of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">C-13</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827751\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Motion No. 3, as indicated previously, as well as Motion No. 6 will not be selected as they are identical to amendments defeated in committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827752\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I shall now propose Motions Nos. 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7 to 9 to the House.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3827735\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Avant de rendre ma d\u00e9cision sur la s\u00e9lection des motions \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape du rapport du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">Loi modifiant le Code criminel, la Loi sur la preuve au Canada, la Loi sur la concurrence et la Loi sur l'entraide juridique en mati\u00e8re criminelle</a>, j'aimerais aborder les pr\u00e9occupations soulev\u00e9es ainsi que l'information additionnelle apport\u00e9e plus t\u00f4t aujourd'hui par l'honorable d\u00e9put\u00e9 d'<a data-HoCid=\"170462\" href=\"/politicians/randall-garrison/\" title=\"Randall Garrison\">Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca</a> concernant la motion n<sup>o</sup> 3, inscrite \u00e0 son nom au <em>Feuilleton des avis</em>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827736\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> Je remercie l'honorable d\u00e9put\u00e9 d'avoir soulev\u00e9 la question.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827737\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Comme il l'a lui-m\u00eame indiqu\u00e9, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 d'<a data-HoCid=\"170462\" href=\"/politicians/randall-garrison/\" title=\"Randall Garrison\">Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca</a> m'a \u00e9galement \u00e9crit pour me demander de choisir sa motion \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape du rapport au motif qu'elle rev\u00eatait une importance exceptionnelle.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827738\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je tiens \u00e0 ce que le d\u00e9put\u00e9 sache que j\u2019ai soigneusement examin\u00e9 l\u2019ensemble des circonstances ayant trait au contexte et au fond en l\u2019esp\u00e8ce. Bien que chaque cas soit diff\u00e9rent \u2014 et m\u00eame s\u2019il peut y avoir des circonstances exceptionnelles justifiant le choix de certaines motions \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tape du rapport \u2014 ce sont ultimement les r\u00e8gles de proc\u00e9dure qui guident le choix des motions \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tape du rapport.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827739\" data-originallang=\"fr\">L'ouvrage <em>La proc\u00e9dure et les usages de la Chambre des communes</em> \u00e9nonce le principe g\u00e9n\u00e9ral ci-apr\u00e8s qui gouverne le choix des motions \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape du rapport. \u00c0 la page 783, il est \u00e9crit:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827740\" data-originallang=\"fr\">De fa\u00e7on g\u00e9n\u00e9rale, le Pr\u00e9sident s'emploie \u00e0 pr\u00e9venir tout d\u00e9bat \u00e0 la Chambre qui soit une simple r\u00e9p\u00e9tition de celui qui a eu lieu en comit\u00e9. [...] le Pr\u00e9sident ne devrait normalement choisir que les motions d'amendement qui n'auraient pu \u00eatre pr\u00e9sent\u00e9es en comit\u00e9.</p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827741\" data-originallang=\"fr\">D'autres principes directeurs applicables au choix des motions \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape du rapport se trouvent aux paragraphes 76(5) et 76.1(5) du R\u00e8glement. Dans le nota suivant ces dispositions, il est \u00e9crit entre autres:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827742\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Le Pr\u00e9sident ne choisit une motion d\u00e9j\u00e0 rejet\u00e9e au comit\u00e9 que s'il juge qu'elle a une importance tellement exceptionnelle qu'elle m\u00e9rite d'\u00eatre examin\u00e9e de nouveau \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape du rapport.</p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827743\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme le montrent le fait qu\u2019il ait d\u2019abord \u00e9crit une lettre d\u00e9taill\u00e9e et le fait qu\u2019il soul\u00e8ve \u00e0 nouveau la question dans le cadre d\u2019un rappel au R\u00e8glement, de toute \u00e9vidence, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 d'<a data-HoCid=\"170462\" href=\"/politicians/randall-garrison/\" title=\"Randall Garrison\">Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca</a> estime que les circonstances dans lesquelles le comit\u00e9 a examin\u00e9 sa motion d\u2019amendement \u00e9taient exceptionnelles et que, pour cette raison, il doit revenir \u00e0 la Chambre dans son ensemble de d\u00e9cider si le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">C-13</a> doit \u00eatre modifi\u00e9 de la fa\u00e7on qu\u2019il propose. Bien que je comprenne ses arguments, je tiens \u00e0 lui rappeler que la pr\u00e9sidence ne peut prendre de d\u00e9cision quant au choix des motions en se fondant sur le r\u00e9sultat probable du vote. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827744\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme je l\u2019ai mentionn\u00e9 dans une d\u00e9cision que j\u2019ai rendue le 12 d\u00e9cembre 2012, \u00e0 la page 13224 des <em>D\u00e9bats</em>, au sujet d\u2019un rappel au R\u00e8glement soulev\u00e9 par le leader du gouvernement \u00e0 la Chambre:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827745\" data-originallang=\"en\">La pr\u00e9sidence continuera d\u2019\u00eatre guid\u00e9e dans chacune de ses d\u00e9cisions par les imp\u00e9ratifs de la proc\u00e9dure, et elle ne compte nullement substituer ses pr\u00e9dictions quant au r\u00e9sultat probable d\u2019un vote \u00e0 l\u2019expression, par la Chambre elle-m\u00eame, de sa volont\u00e9.</p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"3827746\" data-originallang=\"en\">M\u00eame si le d\u00e9put\u00e9 est convaincu que le r\u00e9sultat sera diff\u00e9rent \u00e0 la Chambre de ce qu\u2019il a \u00e9t\u00e9 en comit\u00e9 ou si certains renseignements quant \u00e0 la volont\u00e9 de la Chambre sur une question donn\u00e9e ont transpir\u00e9, cela ne suffit pas pour que la pr\u00e9sidence conclue que des circonstances exceptionnelles justifient le choix de cette motion en particulier.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827747\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je signale par ailleurs que le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"6251806\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-279/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Canadian Human Rights Act and the Criminal Code (gender identity)\">C-279, Loi modifiant la Loi canadienne sur les droits de la personne et le Code criminel (identit\u00e9 de genre)</a>, se trouve actuellement entre les mains d\u2019un comit\u00e9 s\u00e9natorial. Les modifications qui y propos\u00e9es n\u2019ont pas encore \u00e9t\u00e9 apport\u00e9es au Code criminel. On peut supposer que, lorsque le moment sera venu, \u00e0 une \u00e9tape plus avanc\u00e9e du cheminement l\u00e9gislatif des projets de loi C-279 et <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">C-13</a>, le Parlement choisira celle des deux approches qu\u2019il pr\u00e9f\u00e8re.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827748\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui concerne la pratique actuelle relativement \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tape du rapport, je rappelle aux d\u00e9put\u00e9s que, depuis 2001, elle a fait l\u2019objet d\u2019une \u00e9volution consid\u00e9rable afin que soit \u00e9vit\u00e9e la r\u00e9p\u00e9tition de d\u00e9bats qui ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 eu lieu en comit\u00e9. En cons\u00e9quence, le Pr\u00e9sident est habilit\u00e9 \u00e0 refuser de mettre aux voix des motions \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tape du rapport lorsque cela reviendrait \u00e0 reprendre les travaux qui ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9t\u00e9 faits en comit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827749\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je crains que, si je devais retenir la motion n<sup>o</sup> 3 en m\u2019appuyant sur les arguments avanc\u00e9s par le d\u00e9put\u00e9, cela m\u00e8nerait pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment \u00e0 la situation que les usages encadrant l\u2019\u00e9tape du rapport ont pour but d\u2019\u00e9viter, c\u2019est-\u00e0-dire la r\u00e9p\u00e9tition \u00e0 la Chambre du d\u00e9bat qui a eu lieu en comit\u00e9 sur la question. Par cons\u00e9quent, je dois informer le d\u00e9put\u00e9 que la motion n<sup>o</sup> 3 ne sera pas retenue pour examen \u00e0 l\u2019\u00e9tape du rapport.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827750\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Il y a neuf motions d'amendement inscrites au <em>Feuilleton des avis</em> en ce qui concerne l'\u00e9tape du rapport du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"6301394\" href=\"/bills/41-2/C-13/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, the Canada Evidence Act, the Competition Act and the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Act\">C-13</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827751\" data-originallang=\"fr\">La motion n<sup>o</sup> 3, comme il en a \u00e9t\u00e9 question pr\u00e9c\u00e9demment, et la motion n<sup>o</sup> 6 ne seront pas choisies, car elles sont identiques \u00e0 des amendements rejet\u00e9s en comit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3827752\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je vais maintenant soumettre les motions n<sup>os</sup> 1, 2, 4, 5 et 7 \u00e0 9 \u00e0 la Chambre.</p>"
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        "en": "Government Orders",
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        "en": "Protecting Canadians from Online Crime Act",
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