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{
"time": "2014-10-30 13:25:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. H\u00e9l\u00e8ne LeBlanc (LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard, NDP)",
"fr": "Mme H\u00e9l\u00e8ne LeBlanc (LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard, NPD)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3866944\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mr. Speaker, I wish to inform you that I will be sharing my time with the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170371\" href=\"/politicians/ryan-cleary/\" title=\"Ryan Cleary\">St. John's South\u2014Mount Pearl</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866945\" data-originallang=\"fr\">It is Halloween, and the monsters are back. This is a monster budget. I rise today to speak in this debate to oppose Bill C-43, A second Act to implement certain provisions of the budget tabled in Parliament on February 11, 2014 and other measures, as well as the undemocratic process being used by this government and the <a data-HoCid=\"78738\" href=\"/politicians/stephen-harper/\" title=\"Stephen Harper\">Prime Minister</a> to amend 30 or so pieces of legislation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866946\" data-originallang=\"fr\">As the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170376\" href=\"/politicians/helene-leblanc/\" title=\"H\u00e9l\u00e8ne LeBlanc\">LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard</a> and the official opposition's critic for co-operatives, I would like to express my deep concern about this shocking process, which consists of forcing the approval of hundreds of changes without giving members of the House or the stakeholders involved time to study them.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866947\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I am especially concerned about the changes included in division 22 that will have an impact on credit unions. However, before I go into detail about division 22 of Bill C-43, I would like to remind members of the House, especially government members, of the important role our credit unions play in Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866948\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Excluding Quebec, there are 317 credit unions in Canada with 1,740 branches and over 5 million members. They have assets worth over $165 billon and are present in every province of this country. The Mouvement Desjardins has 360 credit unions in Quebec with 6 million members and over $212 billion in total assets. It is the largest private sector employer in the province, supporting 40,000 direct jobs and 25,000 indirect jobs.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866949\" data-originallang=\"en\">The numbers speak for themselves. Credit unions are a big part of our economy and financial landscape, and their contributions are extremely important. I can assure everyone that every member of the House has thousands of constituents who are members of a credit union and/or use their services.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866950\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> Nonetheless, beyond the numbers, credit unions really matter to all our communities. They are in the municipalities or regions of Canada that the traditional banks have abandoned. They offer products and services that meet the needs of the people and they reinvest in their community.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866951\" data-originallang=\"fr\">What is more, credit unions are more resilient to economic uncertainties. With regard to the riding of <a data-HoCid=\"170376\" href=\"/politicians/helene-leblanc/\" title=\"H\u00e9l\u00e8ne LeBlanc\">LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard</a>, I can attest to how the LaSalle caisse populaire contributes to the vitality of community organizations. It contributes a great deal to the vitality of our community organizations and our community.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866952\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Despite the major growth in credit unions and their significant financial performance, the Conservative government is introducing another bill that does not take into account their needs or the differences between them and the banks.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866953\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I have said before that the Conservative government is incapable of taking into account the unique characteristics of credit unions or recognizing the benefits of that uniqueness. The same goes for SMEs. When drafting bills, the government is incapable of taking into account the inherent differences between large companies and small and medium-sized businesses. The same goes for the co-operative movement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866954\" data-originallang=\"fr\">This proves it. Division 22 of Bill C-43 seeks to makes changes to the regulations on credit unions. More specifically, it amends the Bank of Canada Act by eliminating the central bank's role as lender of last resort for credit unions, forcing them to rely on provincial guarantees in order to get a loan.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866955\" data-originallang=\"fr\">It also amends the Bank Act and the Co-operative Credit Associations Act in order to facilitate the entry of provincial cooperative credit societies into the federal credit union system and to discontinue supervision of provincial central co-operative credit societies by the Office of the Superintendent of Financial Institutions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866956\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Instead of addressing the reality and the needs of credit unions\u2014 especially their request for the creation of a new tax credit enabling them to access other sources of capitalization\u2014these amendments seek to make our financial system homogeneous by trying to subject credit unions to the same conditions and rules that apply to major banks.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866957\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Do members acknowledge that we can have a multi-faceted economy and financial system? That is what the regions, credit unions and big cities are asking for. We have to recognize that credit unions meet community needs and that chartered banks and credit unions can co-exist.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866958\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The proposed measures are once again in keeping with the Conservatives' philosophy of opposing, for ideological reasons, the expansion of the Canadian co-operative movement. The 2013 budget measures unfairly increased taxes on credit unions. The proposals in this mammoth budget bill represent an effort by the government to subject credit unions to the same rules as banks.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866959\" data-originallang=\"fr\">In other words, and I have said this before, the Conservatives are not taking into account how credit unions are inherently different. In Canada, chartered banks have their way of operating and they are favoured by the government. Meanwhile, the government does not stop creating obstacles for credit unions thereby preventing them from growing and meeting the needs of regions and communities that are not served by large financial institutions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866960\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I am wondering whether the government would dare demand that banks rely on the same type of guarantee from the province where their head office is located in order to access Bank of Canada loans. I am also wondering whether this government consulted the provinces before proposing the risk transfer resulting from the amendment and whether it assessed what impact this measure would have on their finances.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866961\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I am concerned that the government seems to want to encourage provincial credit unions to transition to the federal system without taking into account their unique characteristics and the challenges they would face in making such a transition.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866962\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Finally, we must remind the government of the importance of working with the credit unions to find solutions that will help them to grow. This government cannot continue to ignore the demands of a sector that plays such an important role in our economy.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866963\" data-originallang=\"fr\">This government did not even include in these 460 pages provisions that would help promote the capitalization of credit unions and give them the means to assist families and small and medium-sized businesses, namely through a capital growth tax credit.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866964\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The government did not consider modifying the legal framework, which would have allowed credit unions to compete with the big banks without losing their status as a co-operative and while maintaining their commitment to serving their members.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866965\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Once again, these 460 pages do not take into account credit unions, which contribute to a sustainable, democratic and 100% Canadian economy.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866966\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I bitterly regret it, but I must oppose this monstrous bill that does not in any way take into account the interests of Canadians, co-operatives or credit unions. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3866944\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, je d\u00e9sire vous informer que je vais partager le temps dont je dispose avec le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"170371\" href=\"/politicians/ryan-cleary/\" title=\"Ryan Cleary\">St. John's-Sud\u2014Mount Pearl</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866945\" data-originallang=\"fr\">C'est l'Halloween et les monstres viennent d'appara\u00eetre. Ce sont les budgets monstres. Je me l\u00e8ve aujourd'hui pour prendre la parole dans ce d\u00e9bat pour m'opposer au projet de loi C-43, Loi n<sup>o</sup> 2 portant ex\u00e9cution de certaines dispositions du budget d\u00e9pos\u00e9 au Parlement le 11 f\u00e9vrier 2014 et mettant en oeuvre d'autres mesures, ainsi qu'au processus antid\u00e9mocratique utilis\u00e9 par le gouvernement et ce <a data-HoCid=\"78738\" href=\"/politicians/stephen-harper/\" title=\"Stephen Harper\">premier ministre</a> pour faire approuver des modifications \u00e0 une trentaine de lois.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866946\" data-originallang=\"fr\">En tant que d\u00e9put\u00e9e de <a data-HoCid=\"170376\" href=\"/politicians/helene-leblanc/\" title=\"H\u00e9l\u00e8ne LeBlanc\">LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard</a> et porte-parole de l'opposition officielle en mati\u00e8re de coop\u00e9ratives, je voudrais exprimer ma profonde pr\u00e9occupation quant \u00e0 cette pratique aberrante qui consiste \u00e0 forcer l'approbation de centaines de modifications, sans que les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de la Chambre et les intervenants concern\u00e9s aient le temps de les \u00e9tudier.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866947\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je m'inqui\u00e8te particuli\u00e8rement des modifications incluses dans la section 22 qui auront un impact sur les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit. Toutefois, avant de parler en d\u00e9tail de la section 22 du projet de loi C-43, je voudrais rappeler aux d\u00e9put\u00e9s de la Chambre, et notamment aux membres du gouvernement, l'importance des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit au Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866948\" data-originallang=\"fr\">En excluant le Qu\u00e9bec, il y a 317 caisses de cr\u00e9dit au Canada, qui poss\u00e8dent 1 740 succursales et plus de cinq millions de membres. Elles ont des actifs surpassant les 165 milliards de dollars et agissent dans toutes les provinces de notre pays. De son c\u00f4t\u00e9, le Mouvement Desjardins poss\u00e8de 360 caisses populaires au Qu\u00e9bec, six millions de membres et plus de 212 milliards de dollars en actif total, \u00e9tant le plus grand employeur priv\u00e9 de la province avec 40 000 emplois directs et 25 000 emplois indirects.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866949\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les chiffres se passent de commentaires. Les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit occupent une place importante dans le paysage financier et l'\u00e9conomie du pays. Leur contribution est d'une extr\u00eame importance. Je peux affirmer qu'on trouve, dans la circonscription de chaque d\u00e9put\u00e9, des milliers de personnes qui sont membres d'une coop\u00e9rative de cr\u00e9dit ou ont recours \u00e0 ses services.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866950\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Toutefois, au-del\u00e0 des chiffres, les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit comptent vraiment dans toutes nos communaut\u00e9s. Elles sont pr\u00e9sentes dans des municipalit\u00e9s ou des r\u00e9gions du Canada que les banques traditionnelles ont abandonn\u00e9es. Elles offrent des produits et des services adapt\u00e9s aux besoins de la population et r\u00e9investissent dans leur communaut\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866951\" data-originallang=\"fr\">De plus, elles sont plus r\u00e9silientes aux incertitudes de l'\u00e9conomie. Dans la circonscription de <a data-HoCid=\"170376\" href=\"/politicians/helene-leblanc/\" title=\"H\u00e9l\u00e8ne LeBlanc\">LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard</a>, je peux t\u00e9moigner de l'apport de la Caisse populaire de LaSalle \u00e0 la vitalit\u00e9 des organismes communautaires. Elle contribue \u00e9norm\u00e9ment \u00e0 la vitalit\u00e9 de nos organismes communautaires et de notre collectivit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866952\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Malgr\u00e9 l'importante croissance des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit et leur importante performance financi\u00e8re, le gouvernement conservateur d\u00e9pose de nouveau un projet de loi qui ne tient pas compte de leurs besoins et des diff\u00e9rences existant entre elles et les banques.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866953\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ce n'est pas la premi\u00e8re fois que je mentionne que le gouvernement conservateur n'est pas capable de mettre des lunettes qui tiennent compte de la diff\u00e9rence des coop\u00e9ratives et que cette diff\u00e9rence est un bienfait devant \u00eatre reconnu. Il fait la m\u00eame chose dans le cas des petites et moyennes entreprises. Il n'est pas capable de tenir compte, dans les projets de loi qu'il pr\u00e9sente, des diff\u00e9rences inh\u00e9rentes entre les grandes industries et les petites et moyennes entreprises. Il en va de m\u00eame pour le mouvement coop\u00e9ratif.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866954\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Voici la preuve. La section 22 du projet de loi C-43 vise \u00e0 apporter des modifications \u00e0 la r\u00e9glementation sur les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit. Plus pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment, elle modifie la Loi sur la Banque du Canada en \u00e9liminant le r\u00f4le de la Banque centrale comme pr\u00eateur de dernier recours pour les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit et en les obligeant \u00e0 compter sur la garantie d'une province afin d'acc\u00e9der \u00e0 un \u00e9ventuel pr\u00eat.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866955\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Il modifie \u00e9galement la Loi sur les banques et la Loi sur les associations coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit, avec l'objectif d'encourager la conversion de coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit provinciales en coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit f\u00e9d\u00e9rales et d'\u00e9liminer la supervision des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit centrales provinciales par le Bureau du surintendant des institutions financi\u00e8res.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866956\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Au lieu de r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 et aux besoins des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit, et plus particuli\u00e8rement \u00e0 leur demande de cr\u00e9er un nouveau cr\u00e9dit d'imp\u00f4t leur permettant d'acc\u00e9der \u00e0 d'autres sources de capitalisation, ces modifications visent \u00e0 homog\u00e9n\u00e9iser notre syst\u00e8me financier en essayant assujettir les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit aux m\u00eames conditions et r\u00e8gles que les grandes banques.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866957\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Peut-on reconna\u00eetre qu'on peut avoir une \u00e9conomie plurielle ainsi qu'un syst\u00e8me financier pluriel? Les r\u00e9gions, les caisses de cr\u00e9dit et les grandes villes le demandent. Il faut reconna\u00eetre que les caisses de cr\u00e9dit r\u00e9pondent \u00e0 des besoins des collectivit\u00e9s et qu'on peut avoir les banques \u00e0 charte d'un c\u00f4t\u00e9 et les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit de l'autre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866958\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Les mesures propos\u00e9es r\u00e9pondent encore une fois \u00e0 la doctrine des conservateurs qui vise \u00e0 s'opposer, pour des raisons id\u00e9ologiques, \u00e0 l'essor du mouvement coop\u00e9ratif canadien. De la m\u00eame fa\u00e7on que les mesures du budget de 2013 augmentaient injustement les imp\u00f4ts des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit, les propositions pr\u00e9sent\u00e9es dans ce budget monstre r\u00e9pondent \u00e0 un effort du gouvernement visant \u00e0 assujettir les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit aux m\u00eames conditions que les banques.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866959\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Autrement dit, et je le r\u00e9it\u00e8re, les conservateurs ne tiennent pas compte de la diff\u00e9rence inh\u00e9rente des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit. Ici, les banques \u00e0 charte ont leur mode de fonctionnement et sont pourtant favoris\u00e9es par le gouvernement, alors qu'il n'arr\u00eate pas de mettre des b\u00e2tons dans les roues aux coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit, minant ainsi la possibilit\u00e9 pour elles de prendre un essor et de r\u00e9pondre aux besoins des r\u00e9gions et des localit\u00e9s o\u00f9 il n'y a pas de services offerts par de grandes institutions financi\u00e8res.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866960\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je me demande si le gouvernement oserait exiger des banques qu'elles comptent sur le m\u00eame type de garantie de la province o\u00f9 leur si\u00e8ge social est situ\u00e9 afin d'acc\u00e9der aux pr\u00eats de la Banque du Canada. Je me demande \u00e9galement si ce gouvernement a consult\u00e9 les provinces avant de proposer un transfert du risque d\u00e9coulant de la modification, ou s'il a \u00e9valu\u00e9 l'impact de cette mesure sur leurs finances.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866961\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Par ailleurs, je suis inqui\u00e8te que le gouvernement semble vouloir encourager les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit provinciales \u00e0 transiter vers le cadre f\u00e9d\u00e9ral sans tenir compte de leurs particularit\u00e9s et des d\u00e9fis auxquels elles feraient face lors d'une \u00e9ventuelle transition.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866962\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Finalement, nous devons rappeler au gouvernement l'importance de travailler avec les coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit \u00e0 la recherche de solutions qui visent \u00e0 favoriser leur essor. Ce gouvernement ne peut pas continuer \u00e0 ignorer les demandes d'un secteur qui occupe une place si importante dans notre \u00e9conomie.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866963\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ce gouvernement n'en a m\u00eame pas profit\u00e9 pour inclure dans ces 460 pages des dispositions qui contribueraient \u00e0 la capitalisation des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit et leur donner les moyens d'aider les familles ainsi que les petites et moyennes entreprises, notamment \u00e0 l'aide d'un cr\u00e9dit d'imp\u00f4t sur la croissance du capital.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866964\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Le gouvernement n'a pas consid\u00e9r\u00e9 des modifications au cadre l\u00e9gal qui auraient permis aux coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit de faire concurrence aux grandes banques sans perdre leur nature coop\u00e9rative et leur propos de servir leurs membres.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866965\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Encore une fois, dans ces 460 pages, on ne tient pas compte des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit, qui contribuent \u00e0 une \u00e9conomie durable, d\u00e9mocratique et 100 % canadienne.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3866966\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je le regrette am\u00e8rement, mais je vais devoir m'opposer \u00e0 ce projet de loi monstre qui ne tient pas du tout compte des int\u00e9r\u00eats des Canadiens ni de ceux des coop\u00e9ratives ou des coop\u00e9ratives de cr\u00e9dit.</p>"
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"en": "Government Orders",
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"en": "Economic Action Plan 2014 Act, No. 2",
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