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{
"time": "2012-10-26 13:40:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Randall Garrison (Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca, NDP)",
"fr": "M. Randall Garrison (Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca, NPD)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"3025281\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, I rise to speak on third reading of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"5244567\" href=\"/bills/41-1/C-350/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act (accountability of offenders)\">C-350</a>, and I am pleased to reaffirm that the NDP will be supporting this bill in the final vote.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025282\" data-originallang=\"en\">This is a bill which has the worthy objective of supporting offenders and taking responsibility for the consequences of their actions. However, before I give the wrong impression to the public, let me stress that this is a very narrow bill, which will affect only a very small group of offenders. It applies only to that small group who receive funds as a result of a court-ordered settlement against the Crown. During the course of the debate on this bill, no one has been able to provide an accurate number of those offenders who receive such settlements. However, the sponsor of the bill, the witnesses before committee and the parliamentary secretary have all assured us that this number is very low.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025283\" data-originallang=\"en\">From the beginning, on this side of the House we have said the bill sets out an order of priorities for disbursing such funds. Limited as they might be, it is an order that we can support. The first priority is spousal and child support. I was very pleased to hear the hon. member acknowledge that there are, in addition to the direct victims of crime, often other indirect victims, who are the families and children of those who commit criminal acts. They often lose their main source of income and then end up losing their homes and all kinds of other things, through no fault of their own. The second is payments to victims as a result of restitution orders. Of course, on this side of the House we have always supported offenders having to fulfill their duties under restitution orders. The third is the payment of any victim surcharges that are owing. Finally, fourth is the payment of any civil judgments against offenders. New Democrats can support this order of priorities, and for that reason we can support this bill.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025284\" data-originallang=\"en\">Obviously, getting additional resources to victims and families of offenders, who both often find themselves in dire straits as a result of criminal acts, is a good thing to do. Yet, we still have some doubts about the constitutionality of this bill with respect to federal-provincial jurisdiction. We are supporting the bill based on the assurances from the government as to the legal advice it has received on this point, but we expect to hear further from the provinces, perhaps in debate in the Senate.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025285\" data-originallang=\"en\">We in the NDP would not be supporting this bill had the government not agreed to bring forth one very important amendment. That amendment, which we originally proposed in committee, was to exempt payments from the Crown made under the Indian Residential Schools Settlement Agreement. We felt it was very important to recognize that aboriginal people who might receive payments as a result of abuse suffered in residential schools would be revictimized, if such payments were taken from one victim and transferred to another. We must recognize that the experience of physical, psychological and sexual abuse in the residential schools was very often the source of the involvement of those offenders with the legal system in the first place.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025286\" data-originallang=\"en\">We are supporting this bill, recognizing its good intentions. We are cognizant of its very limited scope in providing assistance to victims, and while we appreciate the government's support for this private member's bill, we would call on the government to turn its attention now to the full recommendations of the victims ombudsman from last February. That is, not just the increase to the victim surcharge before the House now, and not just this bill, but the full range of recommendations from the victims ombudsman.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025287\" data-originallang=\"en\">Let me conclude today by saying that we will be voting for this bill with the full knowledge that, at best, it will make only a small contribution to repairing the damage resulting from criminal acts. We do so while continuing to look forward to seeing further initiatives from the government to provide more extensive and effective assistance to victims of crime.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"3025281\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, je prends la parole \u00e0 l'\u00e9tape de la troisi\u00e8me lecture du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"5244567\" href=\"/bills/41-1/C-350/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Corrections and Conditional Release Act (accountability of offenders)\">C-350</a> pour r\u00e9affirmer, avec plaisir, que le NPD appuiera ce projet de loi lors du vote final.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025282\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce projet de loi vise un objectif louable, qui est d'aider les d\u00e9linquants \u00e0 assumer les cons\u00e9quences de leurs actes. Toutefois, avant que la population se m\u00e9prenne sur mes propos, je m'empresse de souligner que c'est un projet de loi de tr\u00e8s faible port\u00e9e, qui ne touchera qu'un tr\u00e8s petit groupe de d\u00e9linquants. Il ne s'applique qu'\u00e0 un petit groupe qui re\u00e7oit des fonds dans le cadre d'un r\u00e8glement r\u00e9sultant d'une action intent\u00e9e contre la Couronne. Durant le d\u00e9bat sur ce projet de loi, personne n'a pu donner le nombre exact de d\u00e9linquants qui b\u00e9n\u00e9ficient de tels r\u00e8glements. Toutefois, le parrain du projet de loi, ceux qui ont t\u00e9moign\u00e9 devant le comit\u00e9 et la secr\u00e9taire parlementaire nous ont tous garanti qu'ils \u00e9taient tr\u00e8s peu nombreux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025283\" data-originallang=\"en\">D\u00e8s le d\u00e9but, de ce c\u00f4t\u00e9-ci de la Chambre, nous avons soulign\u00e9 que le projet de loi fixait un ordre de priorit\u00e9s pour le versement des sommes. Si limit\u00e9 soit-il, nous l'approuvons. En t\u00eate de liste viennent les ordonnances alimentaires au profit d'un \u00e9poux ou d'un enfant. J'ai \u00e9t\u00e9 heureux d'entendre le d\u00e9put\u00e9 dire qu'outre des victimes directes, le crime fait souvent des victimes indirectes, les familles et les enfants de ceux qui commettent des actes criminels. Elles perdent souvent leur principale source de revenu et finissent par perdre leur maison et toutes sortes de choses, sans que ce soit leur faute. Le deuxi\u00e8me \u00e9l\u00e9ment de la liste est toute somme \u00e0 payer aux victimes en vertu d'une ordonnance de d\u00e9dommagement. Bien entendu, de ce c\u00f4t\u00e9-ci de la Chambre, nous avons toujours \u00e9t\u00e9 en faveur du respect des ordonnances de d\u00e9dommagement par les d\u00e9linquants. Le troisi\u00e8me est toute suramende compensatoire due. Enfin, le quatri\u00e8me est toute somme \u00e0 payer en vertu d\u2019un jugement rendu par un tribunal civil. Les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates approuvent cet ordre de priorit\u00e9s et, par cons\u00e9quent, peuvent appuyer ce projet de loi.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025284\" data-originallang=\"en\">Manifestement, c'est une bonne chose que de veiller \u00e0 ce que les victimes et les familles des d\u00e9linquants, qui se trouvent souvent dans une situation d\u00e9sesp\u00e9r\u00e9e d\u00e9coulant d'actes criminels, aient acc\u00e8s \u00e0 davantage de ressources. Toutefois, nous avons encore des doutes sur la constitutionnalit\u00e9 de ce projet de loi en ce qui concerne les comp\u00e9tences f\u00e9d\u00e9rales et provinciales. Notre appui au projet de loi est fond\u00e9 sur l'assurance donn\u00e9e par le gouvernement qu'il a obtenu un avis juridique sur ce point, mais nous nous attendons \u00e0 ce que les provinces se fassent encore entendre, peut-\u00eatre au cours de l'\u00e9tude du projet de loi par le S\u00e9nat.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025285\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au NPD, nous n'appuierions pas ce projet de loi si le gouvernement n'avait pas accept\u00e9 d'y apporter un amendement tr\u00e8s important. Cet amendement, que nous avons propos\u00e9 initialement en comit\u00e9, consistait \u00e0 exempter les sommes vers\u00e9es par la Couronne en ex\u00e9cution de la Convention de r\u00e8glement relative aux pensionnats indiens. Nous estimions qu'il \u00e9tait tr\u00e8s important de reconna\u00eetre que les autochtones qui re\u00e7oivent des sommes en raison des mauvais traitements subis dans les pensionnats redeviendraient des victimes si ces sommes leur \u00e9taient soutir\u00e9es pour \u00eatre remises \u00e0 d'autres victimes. Nous devons reconna\u00eetre que les abus physiques, psychologiques et sexuels subis dans les pensionnats indiens sont tr\u00e8s souvent la cause des d\u00e9m\u00eal\u00e9s que ces d\u00e9linquants ont avec la justice.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025286\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous appuyons ce projet de loi car nous sommes conscients de ses bonnes intentions. Nous savons que sa port\u00e9e est tr\u00e8s limit\u00e9e en ce qui concerne l'aide aux victimes. M\u00eame si nous appr\u00e9cions l'appui du gouvernement envers ce projet de loi d'initiative parlementaire, nous pourrions demander au gouvernement de s'int\u00e9resser maintenant \u00e0 l'ensemble des recommandations propos\u00e9es en f\u00e9vrier dernier par l'ombudsman des victimes. Nous aimerions que le gouvernement s'int\u00e9resse non seulement \u00e0 l'augmentation de la suramende compensatoire, dont la Chambre est actuellement saisie, et \u00e0 ce projet de loi, mais aussi \u00e0 toutes les autres recommandations de l'ombudsman des victimes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"3025287\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je conclurai aujourd'hui en disant que nous voterons en faveur de ce projet de loi, sachant tr\u00e8s bien qu'il contribuera modestement, tout au plus, \u00e0 r\u00e9parer les torts caus\u00e9s par les actes criminels. Nous appuyons le projet de loi, tout en esp\u00e9rant que le gouvernement pr\u00e9sentera d'autres initiatives pour aider davantage et plus efficacement les victimes d'actes criminels.</p>"
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