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{
    "time": "2011-09-26 17:50:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Ms. Rathika Sitsabaiesan (Scarborough\u2014Rouge River, NDP)",
        "fr": "Mme Rathika Sitsabaiesan (Scarborough\u2014Rouge River, NPD)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"2475583\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, I will be splitting my time with the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014James Bay</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475584\" data-originallang=\"en\">The New Democrats supported the Canadian military mission and its extension in June in order to ensure that civilians were protected from the Gadhafi regime.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475585\" data-originallang=\"en\">Members have heard a bit of my story before. I fled a war-torn country myself. I wanted to see international support go into my homeland but we did not see any of that. When we in the House were able to provide Canadian support with other international forces, I was happy to know that the Libyan people would get some support.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475586\" data-originallang=\"en\">I and my colleagues in the New Democratic Party sincerely thank our military personnel and diplomats for their hard work in accomplishing the job that they did so well in Libya.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475587\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Gadhafi regime was committing many humanitarian violations, including the threat of going door to door and killing people. The regime was using rape as a weapon of war. Through our support for the extension of the mission in June this year, the New Democrats were successful in adding a number of amendments to address the atrocities that were being committed, including rape.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475588\" data-originallang=\"en\">The acknowledgment that rape was being used as a weapon of war in that amended motion was quite groundbreaking. I really commend every member in the House for acknowledging that and for finally recognizing that rape was being used as a weapon of war.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475589\" data-originallang=\"en\">For many years, hundreds of thousands of women have been in this situation in many countries around the globe. They have been suffering in silence. Once again the women are suffering in so many ways. Not only did they witness their towns and villages being torn apart, but their families were torn being apart. Women experienced many violations of their bodies as well. It is important for me to recognize and acknowledge once again members of the House for recognizing that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475590\" data-originallang=\"en\">It is significant for the House to acknowledge that, but in order to continue to help these women we need to focus our efforts on a civilian mission, one focused on rebuilding, on education and on providing the help that families need.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475591\" data-originallang=\"en\">The conflict is coming to an end. Even the <a data-HoCid=\"170866\" href=\"/politicians/chris-alexander/\" title=\"Chris Alexander\">Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of National Defence</a> mentioned this earlier. Reports that came in today from the Libyan National Transitional Council indicate that its forces have advanced into Sirte, which is one of the regions that the <a data-HoCid=\"170866\" href=\"/politicians/chris-alexander/\" title=\"Chris Alexander\">parliamentary secretary</a> was concerned about earlier today. National Transitional Council forces have made significant advances in this region and the Gadhafi regime is being ousted further, as was mentioned earlier.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475592\" data-originallang=\"en\">The trauma that is endured by women, children and all people in a conflict zone outlasts the conflict. Our men and women in uniform suffer post-traumatic stress disorder when they come back home but children especially suffer when they are forced to be in a conflict zone. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475593\" data-originallang=\"en\">I know from personal experience the psychological and physiological effects that war can have on a child. As a young child I was forced to be in a war zone. I was shot at. A child never forgets the sound of guns blazing.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475594\" data-originallang=\"en\">It has been over 25 years since I experienced war but I remember it as vividly as if it were yesterday. I know that the children who are experiencing it today in Libya are experiencing the same or worse than what I experienced. Being shot at and hiding in my mother's little store with my grandfather and my sisters, I know how much it affected me and affected my development. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475595\" data-originallang=\"en\">What we need to be focusing on right now is the development of these children. How we can provide that type of humanitarian relief to the people in Libya? It should be about providing our expertise. We have so much civilian expertise and resources for providing that type of assistance toward the rehabilitation of the people of Libya and, of course, creating that democratic institution and allowing for the country to have its own set of governance.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475596\" data-originallang=\"en\">Experiences like mine illustrate why we need a robust civilian mission in Libya right now. We need to help these families and to help people deal with the psychological and physiological effects of war.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475597\" data-originallang=\"en\">Our position reflects the reality on the ground in Libya today, just as our support for military intervention in February and June reflected the needs at the time. At the time, we needed to extend the military mission, but right now we need to focus on the humanitarian aspects of rebuilding.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475598\" data-originallang=\"en\">Now that the Gadhafi regime has been toppled, the focus for most people in Libya is post-conflict transition. This means things like rebuilding infrastructure, rebuilding and developing the democratic institutions, rebuilding and developing for the people and the health of the communities.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475599\" data-originallang=\"en\">We need to ensure once again that it is Libyan-led reconciliation and reconstruction that happens in that country. It is not for Canada or anybody else anywhere in the world to tell the Libyans how to govern themselves. They need to figure out a self-governance model. It is not for us to dictate to them.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475600\" data-originallang=\"en\">That, unfortunately, was what happened in the past when international forces went into a country to support it and then, somehow, stayed beyond the military intervention to protect the civilians and ended up dictating terms to the local people.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475601\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I am pretty sure that many of our colleagues in this House on both sides will agree that is the old kind of politics for global affairs. The new kind of politics is really about creating that Libyan-led initiative, that local-led initiative so that the people of Libya can actually own that government and ensure they are a part of it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475602\" data-originallang=\"en\">New Democrats really do not support yet another extension of the military mission in Libya. We do believe that it is time for Canada to focus on the humanitarian aspect: to provide our civilian expertise in the country and resources for, once again, humanitarian assistance; help with institution building; the democratic development; and, as I said before, the softer, less tangible aspects of war. We have so much expertise and so many people who have the expertise to provide the assistance in helping the people rebuild the country. Canada's focus today should be on helping the people who are now effectively in a post-conflict zone, rather than furthering the military mission.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"2475583\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, je partagerai le temps qui m'est accord\u00e9 avec le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014Baie James</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475584\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates ont appuy\u00e9 la mission militaire canadienne et sa prolongation en juin pour que les civils puissent \u00eatre prot\u00e9g\u00e9s comme le r\u00e9gime Kadhafi.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475585\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les d\u00e9put\u00e9s connaissent un peu mon histoire. J'ai moi-m\u00eame fui un pays d\u00e9chir\u00e9 par la guerre. J'aurais aim\u00e9 que la communaut\u00e9 internationale vienne aider mon pays, mais elle en est demeur\u00e9e absente. Lorsque la Chambre des communes a eu l'occasion de se prononcer pour envoyer de l'aide canadienne, de concert avec les forces d'autres pays, j'\u00e9tais heureuse de savoir que le peuple libyen serait secouru.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475586\" data-originallang=\"en\">Moi et mes coll\u00e8gues du Nouveau Parti d\u00e9mocratique remercions sinc\u00e8rement nos militaires et nos diplomates pour l'\u00e9nergie qu'ils ont mise \u00e0 s'acquitter si consciencieusement de leur t\u00e2che en Libye.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475587\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le r\u00e9gime Kadhafi commettait de nombreuses violations des droits de la personne, y compris en mena\u00e7ant les gens de les tuer dans leur maison. Il se servait du viol comme arme de guerre. Lorsque les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates ont appuy\u00e9 la prolongation de la mission, en juin, ils ont r\u00e9ussi \u00e0 faire adopter quelques amendements \u00e0 la motion pour lutter contre les atrocit\u00e9s qui \u00e9taient commises, y compris le viol.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475588\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le fait de reconna\u00eetre dans la version amend\u00e9e de la motion que le viol \u00e9tait utilis\u00e9 comme arme de guerre \u00e9tait assez r\u00e9volutionnaire. Je f\u00e9licite tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s d'avoir accept\u00e9 de reconna\u00eetre enfin que le viol \u00e9tait employ\u00e9 comme arme de guerre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475589\" data-originallang=\"en\">Depuis de nombreuses ann\u00e9es, des centaines de milliers de femmes vivent cette situation dans de nombreux pays. Elles souffrent en silence. Les femmes souffrent encore de bien des mani\u00e8res. Non seulement elles voient leur ville ou leur village d\u00e9truit, mais leur famille aussi est d\u00e9truite. Les femmes subissent de surcro\u00eet le viol de leur corps. Il est important pour moi de le souligner et de f\u00e9liciter encore une fois les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de l'avoir reconnu.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475590\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il est important que la Chambre reconnaisse ce probl\u00e8me, mais pour que nous puissions continuer d'aider les femmes, nous devons concentrer nos efforts sur une mission civile ax\u00e9e sur la reconstruction, sur l'\u00e9ducation et sur l'aide dont les familles ont besoin.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475591\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le conflit touche \u00e0 sa fin. M\u00eame le <a data-HoCid=\"170866\" href=\"/politicians/chris-alexander/\" title=\"Chris Alexander\">secr\u00e9taire parlementaire du ministre de la D\u00e9fense nationale</a> l'a indiqu\u00e9 tout \u00e0 l'heure. Le Conseil national de transition libyen a indiqu\u00e9 aujourd'hui que ses forces avaient avanc\u00e9 dans la ville de Syrte, c'est-\u00e0-dire dans l'une des r\u00e9gions dont le <a data-HoCid=\"170866\" href=\"/politicians/chris-alexander/\" title=\"Chris Alexander\">secr\u00e9taire parlementaire</a> disait s'inqui\u00e9ter aujourd'hui. Les forces du Conseil national de transition ont beaucoup progress\u00e9 dans cette r\u00e9gion, et le r\u00e9gime de Kadhafi a \u00e9t\u00e9 repouss\u00e9 encore plus loin, comme on l'a d\u00e9j\u00e0 indiqu\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475592\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les traumatismes qu'endurent femmes, enfants et tous ceux qui vivent dans une zone de conflit subsistent apr\u00e8s le conflit. Nos hommes et nos femmes en uniforme souffrent du trouble de stress post-traumatique \u00e0 leur retour, mais les enfants souffrent particuli\u00e8rement lorsqu'ils doivent vivre dans une zone de conflit.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475593\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je connais d'exp\u00e9rience les effets psychologiques et physiologiques que la guerre peut avoir sur un enfant. Quand j'\u00e9tais petite, j'ai d\u00fb vivre dans une zone de guerre. On m'a tir\u00e9 dessus. Un enfant n'oublie jamais le son de la d\u00e9tonation des armes \u00e0 feu.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475594\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai v\u00e9cu la guerre il y a plus de 25 ans de cela, mais je m'en rappelle aussi distinctement que si c'\u00e9tait hier. Je sais que les enfants qui vivent la guerre actuellement en Libye traversent la m\u00eame chose que ce que j'ai travers\u00e9, ou pire. On m'a tir\u00e9 dessus et je me cachais dans la petite boutique de ma m\u00e8re avec mon grand-p\u00e8re et mes soeurs, alors je sais \u00e0 quel point ces \u00e9v\u00e9nements ont eu une incidence sur moi et mon d\u00e9veloppement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475595\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous devons nous concentrer \u00e0 l'heure actuelle sur le d\u00e9veloppement de ces enfants. Comment pouvons-nous offrir ce type d'aide humanitaire aux gens en Libye? Nous devrions fournir notre expertise. Nous avons tellement d'expertises et de ressources civiles pour offrir ce type d'aide afin de r\u00e9habiliter les Libyens et, bien entendu, de cr\u00e9er cette institution d\u00e9mocratique et de permettre au pays d'avoir sa propre gouvernance.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475596\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les exp\u00e9riences comme la mienne illustrent pourquoi nous avons besoin d'une mission civile forte en Libye \u00e0 l'heure actuelle. Nous devons aider ces familles et ces gens \u00e0 faire face aux effets psychologiques et physiologiques de la guerre. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475597\" data-originallang=\"en\">Notre position refl\u00e8te la r\u00e9alit\u00e9 sur le terrain en Libye \u00e0 l'heure actuelle, tout comme notre appui \u00e0 l'intervention militaire en f\u00e9vrier et en juin refl\u00e9tait les besoins \u00e0 l'\u00e9poque. Il fallait \u00e0 ce moment-l\u00e0 prolonger la mission militaire, mais \u00e0 l'heure actuelle, nous devons nous concentrer sur les aspects humanitaires de la reconstruction.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475598\" data-originallang=\"en\">Maintenant que le r\u00e9gime Kadhafi a \u00e9t\u00e9 renvers\u00e9, la plupart des Libyens se concentrent sur la transition \u00e0 l'issue du conflit, c'est-\u00e0-dire la reconstruction des infrastructures, la reconstruction et le d\u00e9veloppement des institutions d\u00e9mocratiques, la reconstruction et le d\u00e9veloppement dans l'int\u00e9r\u00eat de la population, et la sant\u00e9 des collectivit\u00e9s, entre autres.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475599\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous devons, je le r\u00e9p\u00e8te, veiller \u00e0 ce que la r\u00e9conciliation et la reconstruction soient dirig\u00e9es par les Libyens. Ni le Canada ni aucun autre pays du monde ne doit dire aux Libyens comment gouverner leur pays. Ils doivent \u00e9laborer leur propre mod\u00e8le d'autonomie gouvernementale. Le Canada ne doit pas leur en imposer un.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475600\" data-originallang=\"en\">Or, c'est malheureusement, ce qui est arriv\u00e9 dans le pass\u00e9 lorsque des forces internationales sont intervenues dans un pays pour lui venir en aide et qu'elles sont rest\u00e9es apr\u00e8s la fin de l'intervention militaire pour prot\u00e9ger les civils. Elles ont fini par dicter la fa\u00e7on de faire aux locaux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475601\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Je suis persuad\u00e9e que bon nombre de mes coll\u00e8gues, tous partis confondus, conviendront que c'\u00e9tait l'ancienne fa\u00e7on de faire pr\u00e9conis\u00e9e par la classe politique pour r\u00e9gler les probl\u00e8mes sur la sc\u00e8ne internationale. Or, maintenant, la classe politique pr\u00e9conise la mise en oeuvre d'une initiative dirig\u00e9e par les Libyens, d'une initiative locale, de sorte que les Libyens puissent s'approprier leur gouvernement et en faire partie.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2475602\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrates ne sont vraiment pas en faveur d'un nouveau prolongement de la mission militaire en Libye. Nous croyons qu'il est temps que le Canada se concentre sur l'aspect humanitaire et qu'il fournisse son expertise civile et ses ressources pour mettre en oeuvre l'aide humanitaire, qu'il participe au d\u00e9veloppement des institutions et au d\u00e9veloppement d\u00e9mocratique, et, comme je l'ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 dit, qu'il s'occupe des aspects moins tangibles de la guerre. Le Canada poss\u00e8de tellement d'expertise et tant de Canadiens ont les comp\u00e9tences n\u00e9cessaires pour aider les libyens \u00e0 reb\u00e2tir leur pays. Le Canada devrait maintenant venir en aide aux gens qui vivent dans les zones o\u00f9 le conflit est maintenant chose du pass\u00e9 au lieu de prolonger la mission militaire.</p>"
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        "en": "Libya",
        "fr": "La Libye"
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