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{
"time": "2011-11-24 15:40:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Joe Comartin (Windsor\u2014Tecumseh, NDP)",
"fr": "M. Joe Comartin (Windsor\u2014Tecumseh, NPD)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"2595727\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, just as we ran into the technical problem, I was pointing out that a second aspect of the seeking of a finding of breach of privilege by the <a data-HoCid=\"170841\" href=\"/politicians/tony-clement/\" title=\"Tony Clement\">President of the Treasury Board</a> was more a question of debate. Information that, as he perceives it, breaches privilege was given in the media outside this chamber and outside of committee. Mr. Speaker, if that is what his criticism is, I would suggest it is beyond the scope of your role as the Speaker of this House and that he would be better to take it up directly with media sources.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2595728\" data-originallang=\"en\">If in fact there is a breach of privilege, we could see that it could be established without in any way finding that the source of that breach of privilege was the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014James Bay</a>, given the dispute we have over the facts.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2595729\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to go back to the initial comments I made. If there is a breach of privilege here, we could see that finding, but we are not at all suggesting or admitting that the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014James Bay</a> is the source of it. There may have been a breach here because the statements made by the <a data-HoCid=\"170841\" href=\"/politicians/tony-clement/\" title=\"Tony Clement\">President of the Treasury Board</a> in committee clearly had been altered. He sees that, and we see it on this side of the House.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2595730\" data-originallang=\"en\">I believe it behooves your office, Mr. Speaker, to investigate that matter. We are not opposed at all to that finding. However, we are saying very clearly that we are adamantly opposed to a determination that the cause or source of the breach of privilege is the member for <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014James Bay</a>. There may be a general determination that his privileges have been breached, because the records have been altered. We should get to the bottom of that, if for no other reason than to make sure it never happens again.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"2595727\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, avant que nous soyons interrompus par ce probl\u00e8me technique, j'avais commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 dire que les arguments avanc\u00e9s par le <a data-HoCid=\"170841\" href=\"/politicians/tony-clement/\" title=\"Tony Clement\">pr\u00e9sident du Conseil du Tr\u00e9sor</a>, qui soul\u00e8ve la question de privil\u00e8ge, rel\u00e8vent davantage du d\u00e9bat. Des renseignements qui, \u00e0 son avis, portent atteinte \u00e0 ses privil\u00e8ges, ont \u00e9t\u00e9 communiqu\u00e9s par les m\u00e9dias \u00e0 l'ext\u00e9rieur de la Chambre et du comit\u00e9. Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, si c'est sur ce point que portent ses critiques, j'avancerais que cette question d\u00e9passe la port\u00e9e de votre r\u00f4le et que le d\u00e9put\u00e9 aurait avantage \u00e0 en parler directement avec les gens des m\u00e9dias.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2595728\" data-originallang=\"en\">S'il y a effectivement eu atteinte aux privil\u00e8ges, nous pourrions faire en sorte de reconna\u00eetre cette atteinte sans pour autant d\u00e9clarer qu'elle a \u00e9t\u00e9 caus\u00e9e par le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014Baie James</a>, puisque nous ne nous entendons pas sur ces faits.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2595729\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais revenir sur mes premiers commentaires. S'il y a eu atteinte aux privil\u00e8ges, nous pourrions confirmer que cette atteinte s'est produite, mais nous ne sugg\u00e9rons aucunement que le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014Baie James</a> en \u00e9tait la source. Il y a peut-\u00eatre eu atteinte aux privil\u00e8ges puisque les d\u00e9clarations du <a data-HoCid=\"170841\" href=\"/politicians/tony-clement/\" title=\"Tony Clement\">pr\u00e9sident du Conseil du Tr\u00e9sor</a> au comit\u00e9 ont de toute \u00e9vidence \u00e9t\u00e9 modifi\u00e9es. Il en est conscient, et nous en sommes aussi conscients de ce c\u00f4t\u00e9-ci de la Chambre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2595730\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je crois qu'il est de votre ressort, monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, de faire la lumi\u00e8re sur cette question. Nous ne nous opposons aucunement \u00e0 cette conclusion. Mais nous d\u00e9clarons tr\u00e8s clairement que nous nous opposons fortement \u00e0 ce que le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"170184\" href=\"/politicians/charlie-angus/\" title=\"Charlie Angus\">Timmins\u2014Baie James</a> soit consid\u00e9r\u00e9 comme la cause ou la source de cette atteinte aux privil\u00e8ges. On peut reconna\u00eetre de fa\u00e7on g\u00e9n\u00e9rale l'atteinte aux privil\u00e8ges \u00e9tant donn\u00e9 que le compte rendu a \u00e9t\u00e9 modifi\u00e9. Nous devrions aller au fond des choses, ne serait-ce que pour \u00e9viter qu'une telle situation se reproduise.</p>"
},
"url": "/debates/2011/11/24/joe-comartin-6/",
"politician_url": "/politicians/joe-comartin/",
"politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/1444/",
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"source_id": "4941652",
"h1": {
"en": "Oral Questions",
"fr": "Questions orales"
},
"h2": {
"en": "Privilege",
"fr": "Privil\u00e8ge"
},
"h3": {
"en": "Sitting Resumed",
"fr": "Reprise de la s\u00e9ance"
},
"document_url": "/debates/2011/11/24/",
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}