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{
    "time": "2010-04-20 15:50:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Steven Blaney (L\u00e9vis\u2014Bellechasse, CPC)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1882997\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mr. Speaker, I am pleased to rise before my colleague, the hon. member for <a data-HoCid=\"128354\" href=\"/politicians/scott-reid/\" title=\"Scott Reid\">Lanark\u2014Frontenac\u2014Lennox and Addington</a>, who will also take part in today's debate.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882998\" data-originallang=\"fr\">It is a pleasure to have such an opportunity this afternoon, as the federal Conservative member for the Quebec riding of L\u00e9vis\u2014Bellechasse and Les Etchemins. For almost five years now, with the support of my Conservative colleagues, I have been able to ensure that Quebec is treated like it as rarely been within the Canadian federation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882999\" data-originallang=\"fr\">One only has to think about the record and historic transfers for health and education from the Canadian government to Quebec. The purpose of these transfers is to allow the province to maintain quality services for its population, despite the economic disturbances that we have experienced. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883000\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thanks to our strong banking system and to the measures implemented by our government through its economic action plan\u2014which is now in its second year\u2014all the provinces, including Quebec, and all the territories in Canada are faring much better than many other western countries.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883001\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I am proud to say that the Conservative government is making, in all Canadian municipalities and major cities, the highest investments of the past 50 years.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883002\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I made announcements at Laval and at the Universit\u00e9 du Qu\u00e9bec en Abitibi-T\u00e9miscamingue. There is also the Pavillon des Premiers-Peuples\u2014the first nations pavilion\u2014which is becoming a reality in Val-d'Or.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883003\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Closer to L\u00e9vis\u2014Bellechasse, the government has invested in the water treatment plant that I often drive by, to help L\u00e9vis expand. We have also invested in small municipalities such as Buckland and Saint-Phil\u00e9mon, which had drinking water problems. These municipalities also want to keep people in the Bellechasse and Les Etchemins region. We support the development of infrastructures that will promote recreational and tourism initiatives.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883004\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The Conservative government has members who represent Quebec. I have not yet mentioned the record investments in culture. We have systematically increased Radio-Canada's funding since we came to power. We invest in cultural events, both large and small. I am referring to the celebrations that are held throughout Quebec and Canada, as well as the Francofolies, which received a historic investment in order to promote the festival, one of the world's largest cultural events promoting the French language. That funding was granted under the economic action plan put in place by our government.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883005\" data-originallang=\"fr\">With that in mind, I am pleased to respond to the motion brought forward by the hon. member for <a data-HoCid=\"128108\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-paquette/\" title=\"Pierre Paquette\">Joliette</a>, who incorrectly accused our government of diminishing Quebec's political weight in the House of Commons by introducing a bill on demographic representation. It is very clear that demographic representation in the House is based on the underlying principle of representation by population.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883006\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I defend that principle as a member from Quebec in the House, but generations of Quebeckers have defended it before me. There are even some famous Quebeckers who defend it to this day and who did so well before I did. I am thinking, among others, of a Quebec premier who said he was not opposed to having political representation reflect the democratic evolution of the populations of eastern and western Canada.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883007\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Of course, if the members of the Bloc were not so stubborn and single-minded in their ideological obsession of separation, they would see that representation by population\u2014one person, one vote\u2014is an underlying principle of democracy. I am certain they would be willing to consider that if it is good in theory, it is good in practice. That is what Premier Pierre-Joseph-Olivier Chauveau said, for that matter, back in 1847.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883008\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Quebeckers then said that they were capable of taking on and, in fact, defending a basic democratic principle, the principle of representation by population. Two points must certainly be considered in that context. Of course, we remember the grandfather clause, which is maintained in the bill, and also the senatorial clause, which is also maintained in the bill. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883009\" data-originallang=\"fr\">So this bill aims to have this House reflect the greatest population increases in some regions of the country. That is what demographic weight means. I will have the opportunity to come back to it. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883010\" data-originallang=\"fr\">But then there is political weight. I have already stated that what is marginalizing Quebec here in this House is not necessarily the number of Quebeckers, but the role that certain of its members of Parliament are playing. I am thinking of my colleagues from the Bloc, whose political weight is being called into question. These are not my words. I have here a quotation from a former sovereignist militant who lives in Laval, Mr. Dominique Valiquette. He expressed his views in <em>La Presse</em> in September 2009. Of course, we are talking about political weight, because I have just clearly shown that Quebec's demographic weight is maintained and assured in this bill. Mr. Valiquette said the following about political weight: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"1883011\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> The Bloc Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois no longer has any reason to exist. By its mere presence, it has doomed Canada to live under a minority government for a number of years...The Bloc deserves its name more and more, since its minority blocks the \u201cnational\u201c parties from getting the members they need in Quebec to form a majority government. It also blocks Quebeckers from being represented forcefully in cabinet and from contributing to the major decisions that shape the future of Quebec and of Canada...In conclusion, I ask myself how a party forever destined to sit on the opposition benches can effectively and constructively defend the interests of Quebec. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"1883012\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Those were his words and he ended by saying that the only goal still in the Bloc Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois' reach seems to be to secure a comfortable retirement for its members. That is the difference between demographic weight and political weight.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883013\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We see that some Quebeckers, for instance during the last byelection, chose to increase Quebec's political weight. How? By making sure that the Canadian government, the party currently running the country, gained another member, and I am thinking of my colleague from <a data-HoCid=\"145850\" href=\"/politicians/bernard-genereux/\" title=\"Bernard G\u00e9n\u00e9reux\">Montmagny\u2014L'Islet\u2014Kamouraska\u2014Rivi\u00e8re-du-Loup</a>, a Conservative Quebec member, who is one more voice not only to represent and defend the interests of Quebec, but also to act on behalf of its interests here, within the government caucus. Just last week, we announced the extension of the transitional provisions. And my colleague from <a data-HoCid=\"145850\" href=\"/politicians/bernard-genereux/\" title=\"Bernard G\u00e9n\u00e9reux\">Montmagny\u2014L'Islet\u2014Kamouraska\u2014Rivi\u00e8re-du-Loup</a> knows something about that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883014\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The Democratic Representation Act is the result of our commitment in the 2010 Speech from the Throne to solve the problem of the under-representation of the growing number of Canadians living in Ontario, Alberta and British Columbia.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883015\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The population of these three provinces is increasing much faster than that of the other provinces, which means that we find ourselves with a democratic deficit that we must address here in this House. And the way to do so is by introducing a bill based on the principle of representation by population, while respecting, on one hand, both criteria of the senatorial clause and, on the other hand, the 1985 grandfather clause.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883016\" data-originallang=\"fr\">These inequities are the result of a formula contained in the 1985 Act on Representation. This formula aimed at limiting the increase in the total number of seats in the House of Commons while guaranteeing that no province would find itself with fewer seats than it had when this Act was adopted. The guarantee of a minimum number of seats for the provinces with a weaker population growth is commonly referred to as the grandfather clause.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883017\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We can thus see that this bill's only objective is to ensure that the representation in the House reflects a greater population growth in certain provinces.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883018\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Quebec also stands to gain, by knowing that Quebec's rights and its number of seats will be maintained, and by knowing that if Quebec's population should increase more, proportionally speaking, than that of other regions of the country, Quebec will have more representatives. I hope that this will be within national governments so that we can also increase Quebec's political weight.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1882997\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, je suis heureux d'avoir l'occasion de prendre la parole avant mon coll\u00e8gue de <a data-HoCid=\"128354\" href=\"/politicians/scott-reid/\" title=\"Scott Reid\">Lanark\u2014Frontenac\u2014Lennox and Addington</a>, qui va \u00e9galement participer au d\u00e9bat aujourd'hui.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882998\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je suis ravi d'avoir la chance de me lever cet apr\u00e8s-midi comme d\u00e9put\u00e9 f\u00e9d\u00e9ral qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois conservateur de L\u00e9vis\u2014Bellechasse et des Etchemins. Avec l'aide de mes coll\u00e8gues du gouvernement conservateur, j'ai eu l'occasion, depuis presque cinq ans, de m'assurer que le Qu\u00e9bec soit trait\u00e9 comme il l'a rarement \u00e9t\u00e9 au sein de la f\u00e9d\u00e9ration canadienne. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882999\" data-originallang=\"fr\">On n'a qu'\u00e0 penser aux transferts historiques record en sant\u00e9 et en \u00e9ducation du gouvernement canadien au Qu\u00e9bec. Ces transferts visent \u00e0 permettre \u00e0 cette province de maintenir des services de qualit\u00e9 \u00e0 la population, malgr\u00e9 les perturbations \u00e9conomiques que nous avons connues. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883000\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 la solidit\u00e9 de notre syst\u00e8me bancaire et aux mesures mises en place par le gouvernement avec le Plan d'action \u00e9conomique \u2014 qui en est maintenant \u00e0 sa deuxi\u00e8me ann\u00e9e \u2014, toutes les provinces, dont le Qu\u00e9bec, et tous les territoires du Canada s'en tirent mieux que beaucoup d'autres pays occidentaux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883001\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je suis content de dire que le gouvernement conservateur investit pr\u00e9sentement dans toutes les municipalit\u00e9s et les grandes villes canadiennes les montants les plus \u00e9lev\u00e9s des 50 derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883002\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'ai fait des annonces \u00e0 Laval et \u00e0 l'Universit\u00e9 du Qu\u00e9bec en Abitibi-T\u00e9miscamingue. Il y a aussi le Pavillon des Premiers-Peuples qui est en train de voir le jour \u00e0 Val-d'Or. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883003\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Plus pr\u00e8s de L\u00e9vis\u2014Bellechasse, le gouvernement a investi dans l'usine de filtration, devant laquelle je passe r\u00e9guli\u00e8rement, pour permettre \u00e0 la communaut\u00e9 l\u00e9visienne de se d\u00e9ployer. On a aussi investi dans des petites municipalit\u00e9s comme Buckland et Saint-Phil\u00e9mon, qui avaient des probl\u00e8mes d'eau potable. Ces municipalit\u00e9s veulent aussi garder les gens sur le territoire de Bellechasse et des Etchemins. On soutient le d\u00e9veloppement d'infrastructures qui vont permettre le d\u00e9veloppement r\u00e9cr\u00e9otouristique. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883004\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Le gouvernement conservateur a des d\u00e9put\u00e9s qui agissent pour le Qu\u00e9bec. Je n'ai pas encore parl\u00e9 des investissements record dans la culture. On a syst\u00e9matiquement augment\u00e9 le financement de Radio-Canada depuis notre arriv\u00e9e au pouvoir. On investit dans les grands \u00e9v\u00e9nements culturels et les plus petits. Je pense \u00e0 des f\u00eates qui se tiennent partout sur le territoire qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois et canadien, ainsi qu'aux Francofolies, qui ont b\u00e9n\u00e9fici\u00e9 d'un investissement historique pour la promotion de cet \u00e9v\u00e9nement, qui est l'un des plus grands \u00e9v\u00e9nements culturels internationaux faisant la promotion de la langue fran\u00e7aise. Ces fonds ont \u00e9t\u00e9 attribu\u00e9s dans le cadre du Plan d'action \u00e9conomique mis en place par notre gouvernement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883005\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Dans ce contexte, il me fait plaisir de r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 la motion du d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"128108\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-paquette/\" title=\"Pierre Paquette\">Joliette</a>, qui accuse injustement notre gouvernement de diminuer le poids politique du Qu\u00e9bec \u00e0 la Chambre des communes en d\u00e9posant un projet de loi sur la repr\u00e9sentation d\u00e9mographique. Il est tr\u00e8s clair que la repr\u00e9sentation d\u00e9mographique \u00e0 la Chambre s'appuie sur un principe de base: la repr\u00e9sentation en fonction de la population. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883006\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je d\u00e9fends ce principe en tant que d\u00e9put\u00e9 qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois \u00e0 la Chambre, mais des g\u00e9n\u00e9rations de Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois l'ont d\u00e9j\u00e0 d\u00e9fendu. Il y a m\u00eame des personnalit\u00e9s qu\u00e9b\u00e9coises qui le d\u00e9fendent aujourd'hui et qui l'ont d\u00e9fendu bien avant moi. Je pense, entre autres, \u00e0 un premier ministre du Qu\u00e9bec qui disait qu'il ne s'opposerait pas \u00e0 ce que la repr\u00e9sentation politique refl\u00e8te l'\u00e9volution d\u00e9mocratique des populations de l'est et de l'ouest du Canada. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883007\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Bien s\u00fbr, si les bloquistes n'\u00e9taient pas des doctrinaires pr\u00e9occup\u00e9s uniquement par leur obsession id\u00e9ologique s\u00e9paratiste, ils se rendraient compte que le principe de la repr\u00e9sentation en fonction de la population \u2014 une personne, un vote \u2014 est un principe de base en d\u00e9mocratie. Je suis certain qu'ils seraient pr\u00eats \u00e0 consid\u00e9rer que si c'est bon en th\u00e9orie, c'est bon en pratique. C'est d'ailleurs ce que disait le premier ministre Pierre-Joseph-Olivier Chauveau, dans une d\u00e9claration qui remonte \u00e0 1847. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883008\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Des Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois disaient alors \u00eatre capables de s'assumer et de d\u00e9fendre justement un principe de base en d\u00e9mocratie, c'est-\u00e0-dire le principe de la repr\u00e9sentation en fonction de la population. Bien s\u00fbr, \u00e0 cet \u00e9gard, on doit consid\u00e9rer deux \u00e9l\u00e9ments. On se rappelle bien s\u00fbr la clause des droits acquis, qui est maintenue dans le projet de loi, et \u00e9galement de la clause s\u00e9natoriale, qui est aussi maintenue dans le projet de loi.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883009\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ce projet de loi vise donc \u00e0 faire en sorte que cette Chambre refl\u00e8te les plus grandes augmentations de population dans certaines r\u00e9gions du pays. Voil\u00e0 pour le poids d\u00e9mographique. Et j'aurai la chance d'y revenir.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883010\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Par contre, il y a le poids politique. J'ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 d\u00e9clar\u00e9 que, ce qui marginalise le Qu\u00e9bec ici, en cette Chambre, ce n'est pas n\u00e9cessairement tant le nombre de Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois mais bien le r\u00f4le que jouent certains parlementaires. Je pense \u00e0 mes coll\u00e8gues du Bloc dont on remet en question le poids politique. Ce n'est pas moi qui le dis. J'ai ici la citation d'un ancien militant souverainiste, qui habite \u00e0 Laval: M. Dominique Valiquette. Il exprimait son opinion en septembre 2009 dans <em>La Presse</em>. On parle bien s\u00fbr du poids politique, car je viens de bien d\u00e9montrer que le poids d\u00e9mographique du Qu\u00e9bec est maintenu et est assur\u00e9 dans ce projet de loi. En ce qui concerne le poids politique, M. Valiquette disait:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"1883011\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> De son c\u00f4t\u00e9, le Bloc qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois n\u2019a plus aucune raison d\u2019exister. Par sa seule pr\u00e9sence, il condamne depuis plusieurs ann\u00e9es le Canada \u00e0 vivre avec un gouvernement minoritaire. [...] Le Bloc m\u00e9rite de plus en plus son nom avec sa minorit\u00e9 de blocage, qui emp\u00eache les partis \u00ab nationaux \u00bb de venir chercher au Qu\u00e9bec les d\u00e9put\u00e9s qui leur manquent pour former un gouvernement majoritaire. De plus, il emp\u00eache la population du Qu\u00e9bec d\u2019\u00eatre repr\u00e9sent\u00e9e avec force au sein du conseil des ministres et d\u2019avoir son mot \u00e0 dire sur les d\u00e9cisions importantes qui engagent l\u2019avenir du Qu\u00e9bec et du Canada. [...] En conclusion, je me demande en quoi un parti \u00e9ternellement vou\u00e9 aux banquettes de l\u2019opposition peut, de fa\u00e7on efficace et constructive, d\u00e9fendre les int\u00e9r\u00eats du Qu\u00e9bec. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"1883012\" data-originallang=\"fr\">C'\u00e9taient ses propos, et il compl\u00e9tait en mentionnant que \u00ab le seul objectif encore \u00e0 la port\u00e9e du Bloc qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois semble \u00eatre d\u2019assurer une retraite confortable aux membres de sa d\u00e9putation \u00bb. Voil\u00e0 donc la diff\u00e9rence entre le poids d\u00e9mographique et le poids politique.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883013\" data-originallang=\"fr\">On voit que des Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois, par exemple lors de la derni\u00e8re \u00e9lection partielle, ont d\u00e9cid\u00e9 d'augmenter le poids politique du Qu\u00e9bec. Comment? En faisant en sorte que le gouvernement canadien, le parti qui dirige le pays pr\u00e9sentement, re\u00e7oive un d\u00e9put\u00e9 additionnel, et je pense \u00e0 mon coll\u00e8gue de <a data-HoCid=\"145850\" href=\"/politicians/bernard-genereux/\" title=\"Bernard G\u00e9n\u00e9reux\">Montmagny\u2014L'Islet\u2014Kamouraska\u2014Rivi\u00e8re-du-Loup</a>, un d\u00e9put\u00e9 conservateur qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois, qui vient mettre une voix de plus pour non seulement repr\u00e9senter et d\u00e9fendre les int\u00e9r\u00eats du Qu\u00e9bec, mais agir au nom de ces int\u00e9r\u00eats ici, au sein du caucus minist\u00e9riel. Pas plus tard que la semaine derni\u00e8re, on a vu la prolongation des mesures transitoires qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 annonc\u00e9es. Et mon coll\u00e8gue de <a data-HoCid=\"145850\" href=\"/politicians/bernard-genereux/\" title=\"Bernard G\u00e9n\u00e9reux\">Montmagny\u2014L'Islet\u2014Kamouraska\u2014Rivi\u00e8re-du-Loup</a> n'est pas \u00e9tranger \u00e0 cela.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883014\" data-originallang=\"fr\">La Loi sur la repr\u00e9sentation d\u00e9mocratique fait suite \u00e0 notre engagement du discours du Tr\u00f4ne de 2010 selon lequel nous nous engagions \u00e0 r\u00e9gler le probl\u00e8me de la sous-repr\u00e9sentation du nombre grandissant de Canadiens et de Canadiennes vivant, par exemple, en Ontario, en Alberta et en Colombie-Britannique.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883015\" data-originallang=\"fr\">La population de ces trois provinces augmente beaucoup plus rapidement que celle des autres provinces, et cela fait en sorte qu'on se retrouve avec un d\u00e9ficit d\u00e9mocratique \u00e0 combler ici, en cette Chambre. Et la fa\u00e7on de le combler, c'est en proposant un projet de loi qui s'appuie sur le principe de la repr\u00e9sentation en fonction de la population, en respectant les deux crit\u00e8res de la clause s\u00e9natoriale, d'une part, et en respectant \u00e9galement la clause des droits acquis de 1985, d'autre part.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883016\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ces in\u00e9galit\u00e9s ont \u00e9t\u00e9 caus\u00e9es par une formule incluse dans la Loi de 1985 sur la repr\u00e9sentation \u00e9lectorale. Cette formule visait \u00e0 limiter l'augmentation du nombre total de si\u00e8ges \u00e0 la Chambre des communes, tout en garantissant qu'aucune province ne se retrouverait avec un nombre de si\u00e8ges moindre que celui qu'elle avait lors de l'adoption de cette loi. La garantie d'un nombre minimal de si\u00e8ges pour les provinces \u00e0 plus faible croissance d\u00e9mographique est commun\u00e9ment appel\u00e9e la clause des droits acquis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883017\" data-originallang=\"fr\">On voit donc que le seul but de ce projet de loi est de s'assurer qu'on a une repr\u00e9sentation en Chambre qui refl\u00e8te la croissance d\u00e9mographique plus importante dans certaines provinces. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1883018\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Le Qu\u00e9bec peut \u00e9galement y trouver son compte. D'une part, en sachant que les droits du Qu\u00e9bec et le nombre de si\u00e8ges du Qu\u00e9bec sont maintenus, mais d'autre part, en sachant qu'advenant une augmentation plus importante, toute proportion gard\u00e9e, de la population au Qu\u00e9bec que dans d'autres r\u00e9gions du pays, le Qu\u00e9bec aura plus de d\u00e9put\u00e9s qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois. Je souhaite que cela soit au sein de gouvernements nationaux afin que l'on puisse augmenter \u00e9galement le poids politique du Qu\u00e9bec. </p>"
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