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{
"time": "2010-04-20 10:10:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Pierre Paquette",
"fr": ""
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1882160\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> I was thinking of Conservatives only, but if I were to add several Liberals, that number would go up. We want to make it perfectly clear that maintaining the current political weight refers to the relative weight of members representing Quebec in the House, which is 24.3%, not the absolute weight, which is 75 seats. I have heard some Conservative members claim that they are maintaining Quebec's weight because there will never be fewer than 75 seats. Clearly, they do not know how to count. If the Canadian nation gets 30 more seats, that will unquestionably reduce Quebec's relative weight in the House.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882161\" data-originallang=\"fr\">That is totally obvious to Quebeckers and the Quebec nation. Of the Quebec members who have spoken to date in the House, 49 have condemned any reduction of Quebec's political weight. In the Conservative caucus, the token Quebeckers, including the members for <a data-HoCid=\"128274\" href=\"/politicians/steven-blaney/\" title=\"Steven Blaney\">L\u00e9vis\u2014Bellechasse</a> and <a data-HoCid=\"128319\" href=\"/politicians/maxime-bernier/\" title=\"Maxime Bernier\">Beauce</a>, have defended the indefensible. As token Quebeckers, who do they really represent? They represent the Canadian nation, the <a data-HoCid=\"78738\" href=\"/politicians/stephen-harper/\" title=\"Stephen Harper\">Prime Minister</a> and the Conservative Party.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882162\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Unfortunately, I have not heard from Liberal members, but I hope that they take this opportunity to speak up and ensure that Quebec's rights are upheld in the House.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882163\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Forty-nine members of the House spoke in favour of maintaining the current political weight, Quebec's relative weight, as did the 125 members of the National Assembly. That means that two-thirds of Quebec's elected representatives in both the House of Commons and the National Assembly condemn the Conservative government's proposal and call on it to withdraw Bill <a data-HoCid=\"4394503\" href=\"/bills/40-3/C-12/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Democratic representation)\">C-12</a>. There is a very strong consensus in Quebec when it comes to this issue.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882164\" data-originallang=\"fr\">An Angus Reid survey taken April 7, 2010, indicated that 71% of Quebeckers are opposed to Bill <a data-HoCid=\"4394503\" href=\"/bills/40-3/C-12/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Democratic representation)\">C-12</a>. That is a very broad consensus; Quebeckers are practically unanimous. Only 15% of Quebeckers support the bill, and that number is approximately equal to the current Conservative vote. It is a very small number that continues to shrink.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882165\" data-originallang=\"fr\">It is understandable that all of Quebec wants Bill <a data-HoCid=\"4394503\" href=\"/bills/40-3/C-12/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Democratic representation)\">C-12</a> to be withdrawn and wants to keep Quebec from being marginalized in the House, especially given that the House of Commons recognized the Quebec nation in 2006. In fact, there are not 10 provinces and territories represented in the House, but two nations\u2014Canada and Quebec. But Bill C-12 gives Canada another 30 seats and does not give Quebec a single one. This is completely unacceptable.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882166\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We have been recognized as a nation, so we need to be given the means to be heard. The current relative weight of Quebec's members must be maintained. If we simply took the demographic proportions into consideration, it is obvious that there would only be 75 of us in a sea of Canadian members who would be defending the interests of their nation, which is completely legitimate. But our voices would never be heard in the House.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882167\" data-originallang=\"fr\">However, proportionality is not the rule. If it were, Prince Edward Island would not have four members. Other factors come into play and the Supreme Court has said this many times. One of these elements, which is new, is the House's recognition of the Quebec nation in 2006. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882168\" data-originallang=\"fr\">It is unfortunate to see the Conservative members defending the indefensible, but again, they are simply the mouthpieces for their party, which has refused to make businesses under federal jurisdiction accept French as the working language and refused to adopt Quebec's integration model for newcomers. If the House does not acknowledge and pass this motion, Quebeckers will have only one choice, that which the Bloc Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois stands for, Quebec sovereignty. Then we would have 100% of the power, not the 24.3% that the Conservatives are proposing, but 100% of the power to make our own laws.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1882160\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> C'est que je n'avais en t\u00eate que les conservateurs, mais si j'ajoutais quelques lib\u00e9raux, le nombre augmenterait un peu. Nous allons donc sp\u00e9cifier que le maintien du poids politique fait r\u00e9f\u00e9rence au poids relatif de la d\u00e9putation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise \u00e0 la Chambre, donc 24,3 p. 100, et non pas \u00e0 son poids absolu de 75 si\u00e8ges. En effet, j'ai entendu des d\u00e9put\u00e9s conservateurs se targuer du maintien du poids du Qu\u00e9bec parce qu'on gardait ce plancher de 75 si\u00e8ges. Effectivement, ils ne savent pas compter. Si on ajoute 30 si\u00e8ges du c\u00f4t\u00e9 de la nation canadienne, manifestement, le poids relatif du Qu\u00e9bec diminuera \u00e0 la Chambre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882161\" data-originallang=\"fr\">C'est parfaitement \u00e9vident pour les Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois et les Qu\u00e9b\u00e9coises, pour l'ensemble de la nation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise. En effet, si on fait le d\u00e9compte des d\u00e9put\u00e9s du Qu\u00e9bec qui se sont prononc\u00e9s jusqu'\u00e0 pr\u00e9sent \u00e0 la Chambre, 49 d'entre eux ont d\u00e9nonc\u00e9 cette r\u00e9duction du poids politique du Qu\u00e9bec. \u00c9videmment, du c\u00f4t\u00e9 des conservateurs, en bons Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois de service qu'ils sont, tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois, notamment ceux de <a data-HoCid=\"128274\" href=\"/politicians/steven-blaney/\" title=\"Steven Blaney\">L\u00e9vis\u2014Bellechasse</a> et de <a data-HoCid=\"128319\" href=\"/politicians/maxime-bernier/\" title=\"Maxime Bernier\">Beauce</a>, sont venus d\u00e9fendre l'ind\u00e9fendable. Ce sont des Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois de service, mais au service de qui? Ils sont au service de la nation canadienne, du <a data-HoCid=\"78738\" href=\"/politicians/stephen-harper/\" title=\"Stephen Harper\">premier ministre</a> et du Parti conservateur. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882162\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je n'ai malheureusement pas entendu les d\u00e9put\u00e9s lib\u00e9raux, et je souhaite qu'ils saisissent l'occasion pour se faire entendre afin de s'assurer que les droits du Qu\u00e9bec seront maintenus \u00e0 la Chambre. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882163\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Donc, 49 d\u00e9put\u00e9s de cette Chambre se sont prononc\u00e9s pour le maintien du poids politique actuel, le poids relatif du Qu\u00e9bec, en plus des 125 d\u00e9put\u00e9s \u00e0 l'Assembl\u00e9e nationale. Cela veut dire que les deux tiers des \u00e9lus du Qu\u00e9bec, qu'ils soient \u00e0 la Chambre des communes ou \u00e0 l'Assembl\u00e9e nationale, d\u00e9noncent le geste du gouvernement conservateur et demandent le retrait du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"4394503\" href=\"/bills/40-3/C-12/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Democratic representation)\">C-12</a>. Cela montre la solidit\u00e9 du consensus qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois sur cette question. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882164\" data-originallang=\"fr\">D'autre part, un sondage men\u00e9 le 7 avril dernier par Angus Reid indiquait que 71 p. 100 des Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois et des Qu\u00e9b\u00e9coises s'opposaient au projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"4394503\" href=\"/bills/40-3/C-12/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Democratic representation)\">C-12</a>. Cela commence \u00e0 \u00eatre assez pr\u00e8s d'un consensus vraiment tr\u00e8s large, pour ne pas dire que c'est pratiquement l'unanimit\u00e9. On remarque que seulement 15 p. 100 des Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois et des Qu\u00e9b\u00e9coises soutiennent le projet de loi, ce qui repr\u00e9sente \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s le vote conservateur actuel. On le voit, c'est une infime minorit\u00e9 qui dispara\u00eet comme une peau de chagrin. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882165\" data-originallang=\"fr\">On comprend bien pourquoi tout le Qu\u00e9bec veut le retrait du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"4394503\" href=\"/bills/40-3/C-12/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Constitution Act, 1867 (Democratic representation)\">C-12</a>, veut emp\u00eacher cette marginalisation du Qu\u00e9bec \u00e0 la Chambre, d'autant plus que la Chambre des communes a reconnu, en 2006, l'existence de la nation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise. \u00c0 la Chambre, il n'y a donc pas 10 provinces et territoires, mais deux nations qui sont repr\u00e9sent\u00e9es, la nation canadienne et la nation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise. Or le projet de loi C-12 ajoute 30 si\u00e8ges \u00e0 la nation canadienne sans donner un seul si\u00e8ge \u00e0 la nation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise. C'est totalement inacceptable. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882166\" data-originallang=\"fr\">On nous a reconnus comme nation, alors il faut bien qu'on nous donne les moyens de nous faire entendre. Le poids actuel, le poids relatif de la d\u00e9putation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise doit \u00eatre maintenu. Effectivement, si on se fie simplement \u00e0 la d\u00e9mographie et aux proportions, il est tr\u00e8s clair qu'\u00e0 terme, nous ne serons que 75 dans une mer de d\u00e9put\u00e9s canadiens, qui d\u00e9fendront les int\u00e9r\u00eats de leur nation, et c'est tout \u00e0 fait l\u00e9gitime. Nous serons incapables de nous faire entendre \u00e0 la Chambre. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882167\" data-originallang=\"fr\">D'ailleurs, la proportionnalit\u00e9 n'est pas la r\u00e8gle, sinon l'\u00cele-du-Prince-\u00c9douard n'aurait certainement pas quatre d\u00e9put\u00e9s. D'autres \u00e9l\u00e9ments entrent en ligne de compte, et la Cour supr\u00eame l'a d'ailleurs dit \u00e0 plusieurs reprises. L'un de ces \u00e9l\u00e9ments, qui est nouveau, c'est la reconnaissance de la nation qu\u00e9b\u00e9coise par la Chambre, qui date de 2006. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1882168\" data-originallang=\"fr\">C'est d\u00e9solant de voir les d\u00e9put\u00e9s conservateurs d\u00e9fendre l'ind\u00e9fendable, mais encore une fois, ils sont tout simplement les courroies de transmission de leur parti, qui a refus\u00e9 que la langue fran\u00e7aise s'applique comme langue de travail dans les entreprises sous juridiction canadienne, qui a refus\u00e9 d'accepter le mod\u00e8le d'int\u00e9gration des nouveaux arrivants du Qu\u00e9bec. Si la Chambre ne reconna\u00eet pas et n'adopte pas cette motion, les Qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois et les Qu\u00e9b\u00e9coises n'auront qu'une solution, celle que le Bloc qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois pr\u00e9conise, la souverainet\u00e9 du Qu\u00e9bec. \u00c0 ce moment-l\u00e0, on r\u00e9cup\u00e9rera 100 p. 100 de nos pouvoirs, pas 24,3 p. 100, pas ce que nous proposent les conservateurs, mais 100 p. 100 de nos pouvoirs pour faire nous-m\u00eames nos lois. </p>"
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"en": "Government Orders",
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"en": "Opposition motion\u2014Representation of Quebec in the House of Commons",
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