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{
    "time": "2009-12-01 10:40:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Laurie Hawn",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1739512\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, it is in the public domain, from the CBC as a matter of fact. The reports only surfaced after Graeme Smith published his reports. I would ask the question, where is Mr. Colvin getting his information?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1739513\" data-originallang=\"en\">With respect to the comments about whom the government wanted to hear from and so on, as we do not repeat what happens in camera, I would just say that the member was not being factual when he made those statements.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1739514\" data-originallang=\"en\">There is one source who spent a total of an afternoon outside the wire, visiting one prison, talking to four prisoners. He did not know where they came from. One of them showed some signs of abuse. That is the \u201che said\u201d side. On the \u201ceverybody else said\u201d side, we have three high-ranking, highly respected generals, a senior diplomat who was Colvin's superior, and numerous other people saying the opposite.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1739515\" data-originallang=\"en\">Is the member saying that that one source is more credible than all those other sources?</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1739512\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, ils sont du domaine public; je les obtenus de CBC/Radio-Canada, en fait. Les rapports ont commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 circuler seulement apr\u00e8s la publication des rapports de Graeme Smith. Ce que j'aimerais savoir, c'est d'o\u00f9 M. Colvin tire ses renseignements.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1739513\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour en revenir \u00e0 la question du d\u00e9put\u00e9, qui cherchait \u00e0 savoir qui le gouvernement voulait convoquer, puisque nous ne r\u00e9p\u00e9tons pas ce qui se dit \u00e0 huis clos, je me contenterai de dire que les affirmations du d\u00e9put\u00e9 sont fausses.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1739514\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une source en particulier a pass\u00e9, en tout, une apr\u00e8s-midi \u00e0 l'ext\u00e9rieur du p\u00e9rim\u00e8tre; cette personne a visit\u00e9 une prison et a parl\u00e9 \u00e0 quatre prisonniers. Elle ignorait d'o\u00f9 venaient ces prisonniers. L'un d'eux semblait avoir \u00e9t\u00e9 maltrait\u00e9. C'est sa version des faits. En revanche, trois g\u00e9n\u00e9raux hauts grad\u00e9s et hautement respect\u00e9s, un haut diplomate \u2014 le sup\u00e9rieur de M. Colvin \u2014 et de nombreuses autres personnes affirment le contraire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1739515\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 affirme-t-il que cette unique source est plus cr\u00e9dible que toutes les autres sources?</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2009/12/1/laurie-hawn-2/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/laurie-hawn/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/441/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "2985912",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Business of Supply",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h3": {
        "en": "Opposition Motion--Transfer of Afghan Detainees",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2009/12/1/",
    "related": {
        "document_speeches_url": "/speeches/?document=%2Fdebates%2F2009%2F12%2F1%2F"
    }
}