Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2008-05-29 13:05:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Andrew Telegdi",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1125877\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, first, the government should apply a general policy that all the people who fit the motion are let in without any kind of refugee hearing to put them through the process.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125878\" data-originallang=\"en\">When the current government came into office two years ago, less than 20,000 people were waiting in the backlog of refugee cases and that number was steadily dropping. Since the Conservative government came into office, those numbers are up to 45,000 and they are expected to be 62,000 by the end of the year. The refugee board system is in a crisis. As I said before, it is my belief that the government is growing the backlog in the refugee division because it wants to abolish that system. This goes with his first point. I want it as a general policy.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125879\" data-originallang=\"en\">On his second point, one can be drafted to go to fight in a just war. I believe many of the soldiers, just like many of the people who went to Vietnam and then became resisters, believed they were fighting in a just war. Once they got there and saw the reality on the ground, all of a sudden they did not want to do service because their conscience would not allow them to do that. There is a difference in fighting in a just war, fighting in an unjust war and fighting in an illegal war.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125880\" data-originallang=\"en\">On his third point, he asked whether people with a criminal record should be able to go through the refugee determination system. For the small number who would be left, the answer is yes, probably under humanitarian compassionate considerations as well. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125881\" data-originallang=\"en\">On our refugee determination system, because of action by it where it has refused to appoint IRB members, the government has created a crisis which threatens the very existence of the IRB. I really believe that is the ultimate goal of this government.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1125877\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, d\u2019abord, le gouvernement devrait appliquer une politique g\u00e9n\u00e9rale selon laquelle tous ceux qui sont vis\u00e9s par la motion pourraient entrer sans qu\u2019il y ait la moindre audience et sans passer par le processus de revendication du statut de r\u00e9fugi\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125878\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Quand le gouvernement actuel est arriv\u00e9 au pouvoir il y a deux ans, l\u2019arri\u00e9r\u00e9 des revendicateurs du statut de r\u00e9fugi\u00e9 comptait moins de 20 000 personnes et ce chiffre \u00e9tait constamment en baisse. Depuis, le chiffre a mont\u00e9 \u00e0 45 000 personnes et devrait atteindre 62 000 d\u2019ici la fin de l\u2019ann\u00e9e. Le syst\u00e8me de la Commission du statut de r\u00e9fugi\u00e9 est en crise. Encore une fois, je crois que le gouvernement laisse grimper l\u2019arri\u00e9r\u00e9 \u00e0 la Section du statut parce qu\u2019il veut abolir ce syst\u00e8me. C\u2019est ce que j\u2019avais \u00e0 dire sur son premier argument. Je veux que ce soit une politique g\u00e9n\u00e9rale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125879\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Concernant son deuxi\u00e8me argument, il est possible d\u2019\u00eatre appel\u00e9 sous les drapeaux pour livrer une guerre juste. D\u2019apr\u00e8s moi, de nombreux soldats, tout comme le grand nombre de ceux qui ont combattu au Vietnam et en sont revenus transform\u00e9s en r\u00e9sistants, ont cru aller livrer une guerre juste. Une fois l\u00e0-bas, ils ont vu ce qui se passait sur le terrain et, tout d\u2019un coup, ils ont refus\u00e9 de servir parce que leur conscience le leur interdisait. Il y a une diff\u00e9rence entre livrer une guerre juste, livrer une guerre injuste et livrer une guerre ill\u00e9gale. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125880\" data-originallang=\"en\"> En troisi\u00e8me lieu, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 a demand\u00e9 si les demandes de ceux qui poss\u00e8dent un dossier criminel devraient pouvoir \u00eatre trait\u00e9es dans le syst\u00e8me de d\u00e9termination du statut de r\u00e9fugi\u00e9. En ce qui concerne le petit nombre qui resterait, la r\u00e9ponse est oui, probablement pour des motifs d\u2019ordre humanitaire \u00e9galement. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1125881\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Pour ce qui est de notre syst\u00e8me de d\u00e9termination du statut de r\u00e9fugi\u00e9, je dirai qu\u2019en agissant de mani\u00e8re \u00e0 refuser de nommer les commissaires, le gouvernement a engendr\u00e9 une crise qui menace l\u2019existence m\u00eame de la Commission de l\u2019immigration et du statut de r\u00e9fugi\u00e9. Je crois sinc\u00e8rement que c\u2019est le but ultime du gouvernement actuel.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2008/5/29/andrew-telegdi-4/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/280/",
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    "source_id": "2497150",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Routine Proceedings",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Committees of the House",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2008/5/29/",
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