Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2008-02-14 15:40:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Derek Lee",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"907249\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, the member has focused correctly on two of the problems with the bill and the amendments.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907250\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Conservative government seems to have made two incorrect assumptions. One is that the rest of the world should be financing their campaigns the way the Conservatives have done it. They either do it their way or the highway.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907251\" data-originallang=\"en\">The second is banks are just like public utilities. The banks are there and even though Conservatives probably will not have to borrow money, to heck with the rest of us. We can go to a bank and get a loan.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907252\" data-originallang=\"en\">However, there are problems in doing that. The whole object of all the election financing legislation was to ensure there were no huge special interests vying for or currying favour in the electoral process. It was also to ensure there was transparency throughout so we could accomplish those objectives. If there were a special interest participating in some extra special way, it would be visible.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907253\" data-originallang=\"en\">Those objectives were accomplished by the earlier legislation. We may quibble with caps, maximum amounts, minimum amounts and things like that, but the original legislation accomplished those results.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907254\" data-originallang=\"en\">The new legislation that deal with loans goes too far and makes to incorrect assumptions. I would have been very comfortable if the parties, and I know there were discussions among the parties, had opposed it. I will vote with my party of on this one. However, I see the problem. They have gone too far. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907255\" data-originallang=\"en\">The good news is we might have gone so far that it will not survive in the case of some candidates. Perhaps a single mother in Rimouski needs a bank loan and suddenly realizes she cannot get it. Then some of her friends tell her to deal with it in court because the legislation is an obstacle to her carrying on a campaign and getting through it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907256\" data-originallang=\"en\">I am not saying the bank has to pay for the whole campaign. The bank is just a bridge loan. The loan helps candidates get through the campaign period and then they pay the it back with their electoral contributions and their fund raising. That is my view.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"907249\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 a mis le doigt sur deux des probl\u00e8mes concernant ce projet de loi et les amendements. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907250\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement conservateur semble avoir \u00e9mis deux hypoth\u00e8ses erron\u00e9es. La premi\u00e8re est que tous les partis politiques de la plan\u00e8te devraient financer leurs campagnes \u00e9lectorales comme les conservateurs. C'est leur solution ou rien d'autre. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907251\" data-originallang=\"en\">La deuxi\u00e8me consiste \u00e0 consid\u00e9rer les banques comme des services publics. Elles existent, et m\u00eame si les conservateurs n'auront probablement pas \u00e0 emprunter d'argent, tant pis pour les autres. Nous n'aurons qu'\u00e0 aller \u00e0 la banque et \u00e0 obtenir un pr\u00eat. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907252\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cela pose toutefois des probl\u00e8mes. Le but premier de la loi sur le financement \u00e9lectoral consistait \u00e0 s'assurer qu'aucun groupe d'int\u00e9r\u00eat ne tenterait d'obtenir des faveurs dans le cadre du processus \u00e9lectoral. Cette loi visait aussi \u00e0 assurer la transparence tout au long de ce processus afin d'atteindre cet objectif. Si un groupe d'int\u00e9r\u00eat tentait de participer d'une fa\u00e7on ou d'une autre, on le saurait. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907253\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ces objectifs ont \u00e9t\u00e9 atteints par la premi\u00e8re loi. Nous ergotons peut-\u00eatre au sujet des plafonds, des montants maximums et minimums et autres choses du genre, mais la loi d'origine a permis d'atteindre ces objectifs. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907254\" data-originallang=\"en\">La nouvelle mesure l\u00e9gislative visant les pr\u00eats va trop loin et repose sur des hypoth\u00e8ses erron\u00e9es. J'aurais \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s content si les partis, et je sais qu'il y a eu des discussions entre les partis, s'y \u00e9taient oppos\u00e9s. Je vais voter comme mon parti dans ce cas-ci, mais je vois le probl\u00e8me. Ils sont all\u00e9s trop loin. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907255\" data-originallang=\"en\">La bonne nouvelle, c'est que nous sommes peut-\u00eatre all\u00e9s tellement loin que cette mesure l\u00e9gislative ne survivra pas dans le cas de certains candidats. Peut-\u00eatre qu'une m\u00e8re seule de Rimouski aura besoin d'un pr\u00eat bancaire et qu'elle ne pourra pas l'obtenir. Un de ses amis lui sugg\u00e9rera d'aller devant les tribunaux parce que cette mesure l\u00e9gislative l'emp\u00eache de mener une campagne \u00e9lectorale jusqu'au bout. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"907256\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne dis pas que la banque doit payer pour l'ensemble de la campagne. Elle ne fait qu'un pr\u00eat-relais, qui aide les candidats \u00e0 terminer leur campagne. Ils rembourseront ensuite ce pr\u00eat avec l'argent des contributions \u00e9lectorales et des activit\u00e9s de financement. C'est mon point de vue. </p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2008/2/14/derek-lee-2/",
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    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "2325514",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Canada Elections Act",
        "fr": ""
    },
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