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{
    "time": "2008-01-30 16:15:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Dennis Bevington (Western Arctic, NDP)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"873540\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, the hon. member's speech outlined some of the conditions within which the government wishes to promote biofuels. Biofuels are a very large component these days in many countries as they attempt to change their energy forums. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873541\" data-originallang=\"en\">I had the opportunity to visit Brazil. I talked to many people there about the efforts they are making on biofuels. I saw the service stations where not only mixed gasoline-ethanol can be bought, but pure ethanol can be bought as well. It is a very large industry there with its own particular issues.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873542\" data-originallang=\"en\">I noted the comment of the member. He said that we are playing catch-up in this world right now with the biofuels industry, and there is no doubt about that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873543\" data-originallang=\"en\">The question I have is, will we make the same mistakes that other countries have made with the biofuels? Will we make the same mistakes in this country, or will we learn from what the world has experienced with the development of the biofuels industry in order to ensure that our biofuels industry, our attempt, works better and gives a very solid future for Canadians?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873544\" data-originallang=\"en\">The hon. member talked about getting a million cars off the road. He also talked about a 40% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions from the use of the biofuel. I will not argue with him, but the Environment and Sustainable Development Commissioner in a report a year and a half ago talked about a 20% improvement, using ethanol in the mix, that was assigned in terms of the life cycle of that product and the energy used to produce it.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873545\" data-originallang=\"en\">Which is the number the hon. member is using? Does a million cars off the road represent the 20% improvement in CO<sub>2</sub> emissions, the 40% improvement in CO<sub>2</sub> emissions--</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"873540\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, dans son discours, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 a donn\u00e9 un aper\u00e7u de la mani\u00e8re dont le gouvernement aimerait faire la promotion des biocarburants. Ces derniers constituent un \u00e9l\u00e9ment tr\u00e8s important dans bon nombre de pays qui tentent de diversifier leurs sources d'\u00e9nergie.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873541\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai eu l'occasion de visiter le Br\u00e9sil. J'y ai parl\u00e9 \u00e0 de nombreuses personnes au sujet des efforts qu'il fait dans le domaine des biocarburants. J'ai vu des stations services o\u00f9 on peut acheter non seulement des m\u00e9langes essence-\u00e9thanol, mais \u00e9galement de l'\u00e9thanol pur. Il s'agit d'une industrie importante qui comporte des probl\u00e8mes bien particuliers.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873542\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai pris note de ce que le d\u00e9put\u00e9 a dit, \u00e0 savoir que nous faisons du rattrapage par rapport au reste du monde dans le domaine des biocarburants. Cela ne fait aucun doute.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873543\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voici ma question. Ferons-nous les m\u00eames erreurs que les autres pays avec les biocarburants? Ferons-nous les m\u00eames erreurs dans notre pays ou tirerons-nous les le\u00e7ons de l'exp\u00e9rience des autres pays qui ont cr\u00e9\u00e9 une industrie des biocarburants afin que la n\u00f4tre, notre tentative, fonctionne mieux et permette aux Canadiens d'avoir un avenir solide?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873544\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 a parl\u00e9 de retirer un million de voitures de la circulation Il a aussi dit que, gr\u00e2ce \u00e0 l'utilisation des biocarburants, les \u00e9missions de gaz \u00e0 effet de serre diminueraient de 40 p. 100. Je ne le contredirai pas, mais il y a un an et demi, un rapport de la Commissaire \u00e0 l'environnement et au d\u00e9veloppement durable a \u00e9tabli que l'ajout d'\u00e9thanol \u00e0 l'essence a provoqu\u00e9 une am\u00e9lioration de 20 p. 100. Ce pourcentage a \u00e9t\u00e9 calcul\u00e9 en tenant compte du cycle de vie du produit et de l'\u00e9nergie n\u00e9cessaire pour le produire.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"873545\" data-originallang=\"en\">Sur quel nombre le d\u00e9put\u00e9 se base-t-il? Est-ce que le retrait d'un million de voitures de la circulation repr\u00e9sente une r\u00e9duction de 20 p. 100 des \u00e9missions de CO<sub>2</sub>, la r\u00e9duction de 40 p. 100 des \u00e9missions de CO<sub>2</sub>...</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2008/1/30/dennis-bevington-1/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/dennis-bevington/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/339/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "2285748",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Canadian Environmental Protection Act, 1999",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2008/1/30/",
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    }
}