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{
    "time": "2008-01-29 11:25:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Keith Martin (Esquimalt\u2014Juan de Fuca, Lib.)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"871916\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, I listened very intently to my colleague's comments. She gave a fine dissertation on socialism. I would like to compare two countries, India and Zimbabwe.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"871917\" data-originallang=\"en\">India is a country that had very high levels of poverty. That country liberalized its markets, reduced restrictions, enabled the private sector to expand and improved trade among and between its neighbours. The outcome has been a dramatic decline in the poor in that country, with a burgeoning middle class.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"871918\" data-originallang=\"en\">While blanket free trade is not the answer and checks and balances have to occur and it must be fair trade, I would like to ask my hon. colleague for her comments. Hernando de Soto and Mohammed Unis and other people have spent their lives reducing poverty and they have spoken about the merits of free and fair trade. Does she not think that free trade agreements with countries enables those countries to raise their standards to the standards that our workers enjoy? In that way we are able to improve the lot in those countries, instead of erecting barriers to development, barriers to trade. Such barriers actually enable countries to maintain the restrictive covenants within their countries and hamstring the private sector and ultimately lead to a greater number of people living in poverty.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"871916\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, j'ai \u00e9cout\u00e9 attentivement les commentaires de ma coll\u00e8gue. Elle a fait une excellente dissertation sur le socialisme. J'aimerais comparer deux pays, l'Inde et le Zimbabwe.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"871917\" data-originallang=\"en\">L'Inde est un pays qui \u00e9tait tr\u00e8s pauvre. Ce pays a lib\u00e9ralis\u00e9 ses march\u00e9s, r\u00e9duit les restrictions commerciales, favoris\u00e9 l'expansion du secteur priv\u00e9 et am\u00e9lior\u00e9 ses \u00e9changes commerciaux avec les pays voisins. Le r\u00e9sultat de ces actions a \u00e9t\u00e9 la naissance d'une classe moyenne et une diminution spectaculaire de la pauvret\u00e9 dans ce pays.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"871918\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'ai une question pour ma coll\u00e8gue. Soit, le libre-\u00e9change g\u00e9n\u00e9ralis\u00e9 n'est pas la panac\u00e9e, il doit \u00eatre assorti d'un syst\u00e8me de poids et de contrepoids et doit \u00eatre \u00e9quitable. Hernando de Soto, Muhammed Yunus et d'autres encore ont pass\u00e9 leur vie \u00e0 combattre la pauvret\u00e9. Ils ont vant\u00e9 les m\u00e9rites du libre-\u00e9change et du commerce \u00e9quitable. La d\u00e9put\u00e9e ne croit-elle pas que les accords de libre-\u00e9change permettent aux pays d'am\u00e9liorer leurs normes au point o\u00f9 elles sont \u00e9gales \u00e0 celles dont jouissent nos travailleurs? Ainsi nous pouvons am\u00e9liorer le sort de ces pays au lieu d'\u00e9riger des barri\u00e8res au commerce et au d\u00e9veloppement. De telles barri\u00e8res permettent en fait aux pays de conserver des clauses restrictives qui paralysent le secteur priv\u00e9 et, en fin de compte, augmentent la pauvret\u00e9.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2008/1/29/keith-martin-1/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/keith-martin/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/1270/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "2280372",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Settlement of International Investment Disputes Act",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2008/1/29/",
    "related": {
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    }
}