Speech (House debate)

{
    "time": "2007-05-07 16:25:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Randy Kamp",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"599894\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, I do not see anything in the current approach to the Senate, either in the current make-up of the Senate or in the approach to actually appointing who is there, that would meet any of the goals the member seems to want.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"599895\" data-originallang=\"en\">If it happens there is a more equitable distribution there, of women for example, as reflecting the population or minorities, that only happens by accident. The prime minister of the day has no formula to follow as senators are appointed. I do not see there is any great difference here.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"599896\" data-originallang=\"en\">We have a formula now in terms of how many senators can come from each province or region. In fact, when we talk about equitability, I do not think I share the view of the member for <a data-HoCid=\"78521\" href=\"/politicians/218/\" title=\"Stephen Owen\">Vancouver Quadra</a>. We do have a problem in B.C., that we do not have the right number of senators, but not because there is only a certain number for the population of British Columbia. That would make it a proportional institution, something like the House, which runs counter to what the Senate should be like. It should be an equal number of votes for a region or province. It does not have to do with proportional representation based on population.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"599897\" data-originallang=\"en\">There is some work to be done. We need more senators from B.C. because the other regions have more.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"599894\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, rien dans l'approche actuelle, qu'il s'agisse de la composition actuelle du S\u00e9nat ou du processus de nomination des s\u00e9nateurs, n'est conforme aux objectifs que semble viser le d\u00e9put\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"599895\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est le fruit du hasard si la repr\u00e9sentation, par exemple des femmes ou des minorit\u00e9s, est plus \u00e9quitable et repr\u00e9sentative de la population. Le premier ministre en poste n'a pas de formule \u00e0 suivre pour nommer les s\u00e9nateurs. Je ne vois gu\u00e8re de diff\u00e9rence ici.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"599896\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il existe une formule quant au nombre de s\u00e9nateurs qui viennent de chaque province ou r\u00e9gion. En fait, pour ce qui est de l'\u00e9quit\u00e9, je ne crois pas partager l'opinion du d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"78521\" href=\"/politicians/218/\" title=\"Stephen Owen\">Vancouver Quadra</a>. La Colombie-Britannique n'a pas un nombre ad\u00e9quat de s\u00e9nateurs, mais cela n'a rien \u00e0 voir avec sa population. Le S\u00e9nat serait alors une institution \u00e0 repr\u00e9sentation proportionnelle, comme la Chambre, ce qui va \u00e0 l'encontre de ce \u00e0 quoi le S\u00e9nat doit ressembler. Les r\u00e9gions ou les provinces devraient avoir le m\u00eame nombre de voix. Cela n'a rien \u00e0 voir avec la repr\u00e9sentation proportionnelle en fonction de la population.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"599897\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a beaucoup \u00e0 faire. La Colombie-Britannique doit avoir plus de s\u00e9nateurs, car les autres r\u00e9gions en ont plus.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2007/5/7/randy-kamp-3/",
    "politician_url": "/politicians/randy-kamp/",
    "politician_membership_url": "/politicians/memberships/454/",
    "procedural": false,
    "source_id": "2059778",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Government Orders",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h2": {
        "en": "Senate Appointment Consultations Act",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2007/5/7/",
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    }
}