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{
"time": "2007-12-12 20:15:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Larry Bagnell (Yukon, Lib.)",
"fr": ""
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"837882\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, I am happy to speak during the adjournment proceedings regarding my question related to residential schools. I was there on the day that this great historic agreement was made on residential schools by a great prime minister from <a data-HoCid=\"78571\" href=\"/politicians/187/\" title=\"Paul Martin\">LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard</a> and a great grand chief, Phil Fontaine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837883\" data-originallang=\"en\">I remember that evening, the tears that were shed. The grand chief, prime minister and the Liberal government had worked so hard. Many first nations people had waited so long and it was certainly a moving moment.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837884\" data-originallang=\"en\">Subsequent to that time, unfortunately, the government was defeated and then there came a series of very sad delays. I heard rumours that the government in cabinet had a debate and members could have one or the other, the historic residential school agreement or the equally historic Kelowna accord. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837885\" data-originallang=\"en\">For whatever reason, after significant delays cabinet agreed to go ahead with the residential school agreement, but unfortunately a number of elders who had gone through some horrible experiences in their youth never lived to see the results.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837886\" data-originallang=\"en\">Even though the agreement has been signed and sealed, there are still delays in the payments. I want to read from the November 29 deliberations of the aboriginal affairs committee. A Bloc member, who was asking about these late payments, said the following: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837887\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I have a question. I do not know whether it is because of you, Mr. Minister, but why were we not ready? Why is it taking so long for these people to receive the cheque to which they are entitled? What is holding things up? What is going on? Why does it take such a long time for them to receive the money to which they are entitled? </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837888\" data-originallang=\"en\">Another member on the aboriginal affairs committee said:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837889\" data-originallang=\"en\"> You made a commitment on September 19 to the 80,000 survivors who were eligible to apply for compensation that the payments would be made within 35 days. We have all heard the stories, we've all seen the press reports, and we've heard that many survivors have not received their compensation. I appreciate your remarks that the money is there, that it is committed, and that it will be honoured. What I want to know is when this money will be out to them. The 35 days is long past. How do you account for the failure in getting those moneys out? </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837890\" data-originallang=\"en\">I will give one example that I received:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837891\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I am writing to support your opposition to the current government's delay in the processing of the Indian Residential School Common Experience Payments. I submitted my completed application to Service Canada on September 20, 2007. I was told to expect payment within 35 days. On October 26, I contacted Service Canada to enquire about my file. They informed me that my file was received on October 18 and that the 35-day window would begin there. This was contrary to what I read on the information they gave to me! </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837892\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Unfortunately, I believed them. I was counting upon and expecting a prompt payment. I hoped to relocate to the Vancouver area to be nearer my daughters. We rarely see each other because we cannot afford to. But now the delay has bankrupted me and thrown my plans into chaos. My electricity will be disconnected on November 14! I have no food or money. I am unemployed. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837893\" data-originallang=\"en\">The government thinks everything is fine. With residential schools there were two resolutions passed either today or yesterday at the Assembly of First Nations. One of them is talking about documentation and I do not have time to read the whole thing, so I will do it in my other minute.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"837882\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, je suis heureux de revenir sur ma question au sujet des pensionnats indiens au cours du d\u00e9bat sur la motion d'ajournement. J'\u00e9tais l\u00e0 le jour o\u00f9 cet accord historique sur les pensionnats indiens a \u00e9t\u00e9 conclu entre un excellent premier ministre, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"78571\" href=\"/politicians/187/\" title=\"Paul Martin\">LaSalle\u2014\u00c9mard</a>, et un excellent grand chef, Phil Fontaine.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837883\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je me souviens de cette soir\u00e9e, des larmes qui ont coul\u00e9. Le grand chef, le premier ministre et le gouvernement lib\u00e9ral avaient travaill\u00e9 tr\u00e8s fort. De nombreuses Premi\u00e8res nations avaient attendu tr\u00e8s longtemps et c'\u00e9tait un moment tr\u00e8s \u00e9mouvant.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837884\" data-originallang=\"en\">Depuis ce temps-l\u00e0, malheureusement, le gouvernement a \u00e9t\u00e9 d\u00e9fait et ensuite il y a eu une s\u00e9rie de retards tr\u00e8s regrettables. J'ai entendu des rumeurs selon lesquelles le Cabinet avait eu un d\u00e9bat et que les minist\u00e9riels avaient d\u00fb choisir entre l'accord historique sur les pensionnats indiens et l'accord, tout aussi historique, de Kelowna.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837885\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour une raison quelconque, apr\u00e8s un nombre consid\u00e9rable de retards, le Cabinet a d\u00e9cid\u00e9 d'aller de l'avant avec l'accord sur les pensionnats indiens, mais malheureusement, un certain nombre d'a\u00een\u00e9s qui avaient subi de terribles \u00e9preuves au cours de leur jeunesse sont morts avant d'en voir l'aboutissement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837886\" data-originallang=\"en\">M\u00eame si l'accord a \u00e9t\u00e9 sign\u00e9 et scell\u00e9, les indemnisations n'ont pas encore \u00e9t\u00e9 vers\u00e9es. J'aimerais citer les d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations du Comit\u00e9 des affaires autochtones du 29 novembre. Un membre du Bloc, qui s'interrogeait sur le retard dans le versement des indemnisations, a dit ce qui suit:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837887\" data-originallang=\"en\"> J'ai une question. Je ne sais pas si c'est \u00e0 cause de vous, monsieur le ministre, mais pourquoi n'\u00e9tait-on pas pr\u00eat? Pourquoi est-ce si long avant que les personnes re\u00e7oivent le ch\u00e8que auquel elles ont droit? Qu'est-ce qui bloque? Qu'est-ce qui se passe? Pourquoi est-ce si long avant qu'elles ne re\u00e7oivent les sommes auxquelles elles ont droit? </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837888\" data-originallang=\"en\">Un autre membre du Comit\u00e9 des affaires autochtones a d\u00e9clar\u00e9:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837889\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Le 19 septembre, vous avez pris un engagement envers les 80 000 survivants qui \u00e9taient admissibles \u00e0 une indemnisation, engagement selon lequel des paiements leur seraient vers\u00e9s dans les 35 jours. Nous avons tous entendu parler de ces cas, nous avons tous pris connaissance des informations rapport\u00e9es dans la presse, et nous avons entendu dire que de nombreux survivants n'avaient pas re\u00e7u leur indemnisation. Je me r\u00e9jouis de vous entendre dire que le fonds existe, que l'on s'est engag\u00e9 \u00e0 verser cet argent. Ce que je veux savoir, c'est quand on leur versera cet argent. Le d\u00e9lai de 35 jours est \u00e9coul\u00e9 depuis longtemps. Comment expliquez-vous cette incapacit\u00e9 \u00e0 acheminer cet argent? </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837890\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je donnerai un exemple qui m'a \u00e9t\u00e9 communiqu\u00e9:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837891\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Je vous \u00e9cris pour appuyer votre d\u00e9nonciation du retard du gouvernement dans le traitement des paiements d\u2019exp\u00e9rience commune aux Autochtones qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 pensionnaires. J'ai pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 une demande compl\u00e8te \u00e0 Service Canada le 20 septembre 2007. On m'a dit de m'attendre \u00e0 recevoir un paiement dans les 35 jours. Le 26 octobre, j'ai communiqu\u00e9 avec Service Canada pour savoir o\u00f9 en \u00e9tait mon dossier. On m'a fait savoir que mon dossier avait \u00e9t\u00e9 re\u00e7u le 18 octobre et que le d\u00e9lai de 35 jours commen\u00e7ait \u00e0 cette date. Cela ne correspondait pas \u00e0 ce que j'avais lu dans la documentation qui m'avait \u00e9t\u00e9 remise. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"837892\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Malheureusement, je les ai crus. Je comptais sur un paiement rapide. J'esp\u00e9rais me r\u00e9installer dans la r\u00e9gion de Vancouver pour me rapprocher de mes filles. Nous nous voyons rarement parce que nous n'avons pas les moyens de payer les transports. Le retard m'a accul\u00e9 \u00e0 la faillite et a compl\u00e8tement perturb\u00e9 mes plans. L'\u00e9lectricit\u00e9 sera d\u00e9branch\u00e9e chez moi le 14 novembre! Je n'ai pas de nourriture et pas d'argent. Je suis sans emploi. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"837893\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement croit que tout va bien. L'Assembl\u00e9e des Premi\u00e8res Nations a adopt\u00e9 deux r\u00e9solutions sur les pensionnats hier ou aujourd'hui. Dans une des deux, il est question de documentation et je n'ai pas eu le temps de la lire au complet, aussi je le ferai pendant la minute qui me reste.</p>"
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