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{
    "time": "2007-11-14 19:20:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Loyola Hearn (Minister of Fisheries and Oceans, CPC)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"768868\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Speaker, it is certainly a pleasure talk to my hon. friend. I have been fairly worried about him lately when I see him wandering around his riding, campaigning with a Conservative provincial member and the next day I see him going around, hand in hand, with an NDP member who is on a journey of obstruction. I am really beginning to worry about him. I am glad to see he is here tonight focused on his work.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768869\" data-originallang=\"en\">The hon. gentleman, as I told him when he raised the question in the House, has been concentrating too much on issues outside his realm of responsibility. He has to stop listening to people who are not involved in the process, people who have their own opinions on what should be done or what was done. If we look at the results of what was done years ago, we paid a very heavy price.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768870\" data-originallang=\"en\">A few years ago, when I was in opposition, when I was the critic and when I was a member of the standing committee, we set out to change NAFO and to give some teeth to the organization so we would have control over the fish, not only within our 200 mile limit but on the continental shelf. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768871\" data-originallang=\"en\">The hon. gentleman questioned the fact that we had committed to custodial management and he said that we did not do it. We went to NAFO last year, not with the people with whom he has been speaking, but with representatives of industry, who I suggest he talk to, and with the commissioners to NAFO, one of them being the head of the biggest union in the country, the person responsible for every fisherman in Newfoundland and Labrador or, I would say, 98% of them. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768872\" data-originallang=\"en\">Maybe the member should talk to those people. Maybe he should talk to the many representatives of industry who were affected and ask them what they did at NAFO. They gave NAFO teeth whereby we Canadians could ensure we managed what happened on the nose and tail by having our surveillance out there, boats out there ensuring that our fishermen could catch their own and that the others live by the same rules. These boats, under the jurisdiction of the former government, were tied up to the wharf in St. John's with not enough fuel to go to sea. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768873\" data-originallang=\"en\">On top of that, not only did we do it last year but we went back this year, as I told my hon. friend, and we solidified the changes in the convention.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768874\" data-originallang=\"en\">In relation to custodial management, let me quote what custodial management is. It is trying to get the same kind of management system or regime in place outside the 200 mile limit as we have inside. I think for most of us who have weighed in on the custodial management argument over the years, this is basically what we are pursuing. We are pursuing the same type of management regime outside as inside. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768875\" data-originallang=\"en\">If we could get all contracting partners of NAFO to fish under the same system, especially one that was acceptable to Canada, then we pretty much would be where we wanted to go. That is, word for word, exactly where we are. Does my colleague know who said that? It was said by the member for Burin, Burgeo, St. George's.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"768868\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, c'est pour moi un plaisir de parler avec mon coll\u00e8gue. Je me suis inqui\u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e0 son sujet derni\u00e8rement quand je l'ai vu parcourir sa circonscription en faisant campagne avec un d\u00e9put\u00e9 conservateur provincial \u00e0 ses c\u00f4t\u00e9s et que le lendemain, il se baladait, main dans la main, avec un d\u00e9put\u00e9 n\u00e9o-d\u00e9mocrate qui multiplie les tactiques d'obstruction. Je commence vraiment \u00e0 m'inqui\u00e9ter \u00e0 son sujet. Je suis content de le voir concentr\u00e9 sur son travail ici ce soir. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768869\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme je lui ai dit quand il a soulev\u00e9 la question \u00e0 la Chambre, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 s'attarde trop \u00e0 des questions qui ne rel\u00e8vent pas de sa comp\u00e9tence. Il doit cesser d'\u00e9couter les gens qui ne participent pas au processus, les gens qui ont leur propre opinion de ce qui doit \u00eatre fait ou de ce qui a \u00e9t\u00e9 fait. Si nous examinons les r\u00e9sultats des mesures prises dans le pass\u00e9, nous voyons que nous avons pay\u00e9 un lourd tribut. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768870\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a quelques ann\u00e9es, quand j'\u00e9tais le porte-parole de l'opposition et que je si\u00e9geais au comit\u00e9 permanent, nous nous sommes fix\u00e9 comme objectif de changer l'OPANO et de lui donner plus de pouvoirs pour que nous puissions contr\u00f4ler le poisson non seulement dans la zone des 200 milles, mais aussi sur la plate-forme continentale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768871\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 a remis en question notre d\u00e9cision d'opter pour la gestion ax\u00e9e sur la conservation, soutenant que ce n'est pas ce que nous avons fait. Nous avons eu une rencontre \u00e0 l'OPANO l'an dernier, non pas avec les gens \u00e0 qui il a parl\u00e9, mais avec des repr\u00e9sentants de l'industrie \u2014 avec qui je lui recommanderais de s'entretenir \u2014 et avec les commissaires de l'OPANO, dont l'un dirige le plus gros syndicat du pays, le dirigeant syndical qui repr\u00e9sente tous les p\u00eacheurs de Terre-Neuve-et-Labrador, ou 98 p. 100 d'entre eux en tout cas, \u00e0 mon avis.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768872\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 devrait peut-\u00eatre s'entretenir avec ces gens-l\u00e0. Il devrait peut-\u00eatre aller parler aux nombreux repr\u00e9sentants de l'industrie qui ont \u00e9t\u00e9 touch\u00e9s et leur demander ce qu'ils ont accompli \u00e0 l'OPANO. Ils ont donn\u00e9 du muscle \u00e0 l'OPANO pour que nous, Canadiens, puissions exercer un contr\u00f4le sur ce qui se passe sur le nez et la queue du Grand Banc, en ayant dans le secteur des b\u00e2timents qui assurent une surveillance et veillent \u00e0 ce que nos p\u00eacheurs capturent les prises auxquelles ils ont droit et que les autres respectent les r\u00e8gles. Sous le r\u00e9gime du gouvernement pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent, ces b\u00e2timents sont rest\u00e9s \u00e0 quai au port de St. John's parce qu'ils n'avaient pas assez de carburant pour prendre la mer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768873\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voil\u00e0 ce qu'on a fait l'an dernier, mais ce n'est pas tout. Comme je l'ai signal\u00e9 au d\u00e9put\u00e9, nous sommes revenus \u00e0 la charge cette ann\u00e9e et nous avons consolid\u00e9 les modifications apport\u00e9es \u00e0 la convention.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768874\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui concerne la gestion ax\u00e9e sur la conservation, permettez-moi d'expliquer de quoi il s'agit. On vise \u00e0 faire s'appliquer le m\u00eame genre de syst\u00e8me ou de r\u00e9gime de gestion au-del\u00e0 de la limite de 200 milles. Je pense bien que c'est essentiellement le but que poursuivent la plupart d'entre nous qui ont milit\u00e9 pour la gestion ax\u00e9e sur la conservation au fil des ans. Nous souhaitons que le m\u00eame r\u00e9gime de gestion s'applique \u00e0 l'int\u00e9rieur comme \u00e0 l'ext\u00e9rieur de notre zone \u00e9conomique.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"768875\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si tous les partenaires de l'OPANO \u00e9taient assujettis \u00e0 un m\u00eame r\u00e9gime, qui plus est un r\u00e9gime que le Canada jugerait acceptable, nous pourrions alors dire que nous sommes parvenus \u00e0 nos fins. C'est pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment o\u00f9 nous en sommes. Le d\u00e9put\u00e9 sait-il qui a dit cela? C'est le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de Burin, Burgeo, St. George's qui l'a dit.</p>"
    },
    "url": "/debates/2007/11/14/loyola-hearn-1/",
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    "source_id": "2194578",
    "h1": {
        "en": "Adjournment Proceedings",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "h3": {
        "en": "Fisheries and Oceans",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "document_url": "/debates/2007/11/14/",
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