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{
"time": "2007-01-31 18:15:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Ms. Denise Savoie (Victoria, NDP)",
"fr": ""
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"398226\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mr. Speaker, it is a pleasure to rise and speak on Bill <a data-HoCid=\"2152761\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-207/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (tax credit for new graduates working in designated regions)\">C-207</a> put forward by the hon. member for <a data-HoCid=\"78427\" href=\"/politicians/robert-bouchard/\" title=\"Robert Bouchard\">Chicoutimi\u2014Le Fjord</a>. This bill amends the Income Tax Act for the purpose of giving tax credits to new graduates working in designated regions. It is designed to encourage new graduates from universities, colleges and other institutions to settle in economically depressed areas by offering them a non-refundable tax credit for the first year.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398227\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I happen to represent a region where employment is very high and the economy very strong, but it was not always so. Could this kind of measure have helped, I wondered? It was also helpful, in considering this bill, to have the opportunity, last week, to meet 30 or so young people from rural British Columbia. Among them were new graduates as well as soon to be graduates. This fuelled my thought process and led me to the following conclusions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398228\" data-originallang=\"fr\">In my opinion, the NDP could, with some reservation, support this bill in principle because it would level the playing field for rural communities, given that urban centres have a clear advantage over them when it comes to recruiting qualified workers. The bill would benefit low and middle income families in rural communities across Canada and help consolidate the social and economic situation of these communities by addressing depopulation and youth out-migration.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398229\" data-originallang=\"fr\">That said, it should be pointed out that this bill is but a tiny step in the right direction. For example, it encourages graduates to find work in economically depressed areas, but does so only for one year, as our colleague said a moment ago. The Quebec program from which this bill draws, if I heard correctly, takes a more gradual approach, providing a maximum credit of $3,000 per year, up to a lifetime maximum of $8,000. It also includes a financial incentive for three years or more. Personally, I am not sure that a one-year financial incentive would be sufficient to achieve the objectives sought by the hon. member.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398230\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Our second reservation about the program has to do with the fact that it could prove to be extremely ineffective if it is not rounded out by a comprehensive regional development plan. The proposed tax credit would be granted to recent graduates working in a region that is, pursuant to the terms of the Regional Development Incentives Act: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398231\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> ...determined to require special measures to facilitate economic expansion and social adjustment. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398232\" data-originallang=\"fr\">And, more precisely, a region where: </p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398233\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> ...existing opportunities for productive employment in the region are exceptionally inadequate. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398234\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Is it wise to send recent graduates to regions where employment opportunities are exceptionally inadequate, according to the terms in the act? For the people who already live in such areas, we should be finding ways to create more jobs before trying to draw more workers.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398235\" data-originallang=\"en\">Instead or perhaps in addition to this tax credit incentive, it would be wiser to enhance the summer career placement program as opposed to cutting it in half, as the Conservatives are proposing to do. This would have the benefit of increasing employment opportunities in economically depressed regions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398236\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Conservatives saw some flaws in this program that are real but should have and could have been remedied. Rural and low employment communities as well as non-profit sector employers in urban areas should continue to benefit from this program, especially in light of the enormous student debt that new graduates are facing at the moment. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398237\" data-originallang=\"en\">In the last Parliament an all-party committee in a unanimous report by the human resources committee recommended substantial changes to the funding allocation formula for the summer career placement program which is presently based on the number of students in the riding. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398238\" data-originallang=\"en\">When the 2001 census numbers were factored into the formula, there were significant cuts in several ridings, especially the rural, northern, inner city or smaller ones. The committee recommended that disadvantaged and rural populations be factored into riding allocation formulas. The committee also recommended that students over 30, often single mothers, be eligible. Right now only students 15 to 30 may apply.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398239\" data-originallang=\"en\">The summer career placement program is a very valuable one for numerous non-profit groups who could not otherwise offer competitive wages or afford to hire students at all to do valuable work in the community; as well, for small town rural business people to help students avoid having to go to bigger cities to find work.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398240\" data-originallang=\"en\">The government is saying it will better target the program to at risk youth and to ensure that profitable businesses who can afford to pay higher wages do not get subsidized. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398241\" data-originallang=\"en\">I agree that the program could be better targeted but targeting does not mean cutting. The government could target better at current funding levels and have a far greater impact. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398242\" data-originallang=\"en\">The NDP would propose instead to restore full funding for the summer career placement program and implement the committee's recommendations that I have already mentioned. The NDP would also get to work in tackling the root of the problem and that is unaffordable post-secondary education especially for rural and low income families. If we want to attract graduates to economically depressed areas, ideally they should be from these regions and be coming home to work.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398243\" data-originallang=\"en\">Right now tuition and other education costs have grown out of reach for even middle income families in Canada. That is the problem that we must tackle. Debt burdens are overwhelming for Canadian graduates and just as they begin their careers they are foreclosing their options and their career choices.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398244\" data-originallang=\"en\">The traditional Liberal-Conservative answer has been to make student loans more accessible and therefore dramatically increase student debt in Canada. It has allowed students from rural areas to benefit and to get post-secondary education, but they simply complete their program burdened with unacceptable debt.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398245\" data-originallang=\"en\">As I said, what we would propose is to tackle the root of the problem by making post-secondary education more affordable, by creating a national program of non-repayable grants that would prevent these huge debt levels. We would also propose to overhaul the student loan system which has become very inflexible.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398246\" data-originallang=\"en\">Retargeting to those in greater need is really a piece of the solution that I hope my colleague from the Bloc, who has proposed this bill, would consider as a partial solution to the problem that is faced in certain areas.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398247\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The intention behind the bill is commendable. The bill represents the beginnings of a solution to a serious problem in certain regions of Canada. However, I urge the hon. member for <a data-HoCid=\"78427\" href=\"/politicians/robert-bouchard/\" title=\"Robert Bouchard\">Chicoutimi\u2014Le Fjord</a> to convince his colleagues from the Bloc and all members of the House to support the NDP's vision for post-secondary education, which proposes a global, comprehensive view, in order to inspire hope in our students and in Canada's rural areas and small communities.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"398226\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Monsieur le Pr\u00e9sident, j'ai le plaisir de prendre la parole relativement au projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"2152761\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-207/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Income Tax Act (tax credit for new graduates working in designated regions)\">C-207</a> propos\u00e9 par le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"78427\" href=\"/politicians/robert-bouchard/\" title=\"Robert Bouchard\">Chicoutimi\u2014Le Fjord</a>. Cette loi vise \u00e0 modifier la Loi de l'imp\u00f4t sur le revenu proposant des cr\u00e9dits d'imp\u00f4t pour les nouveaux dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s travaillant dans les r\u00e9gions d\u00e9sign\u00e9es. Ce projet de loi vise \u00e0 encourager les nouveaux dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s universitaires, coll\u00e9giaux et autres \u00e0 s'installer dans les r\u00e9gions d\u00e9favoris\u00e9es sur le plan \u00e9conomique, en offrant un cr\u00e9dit d'imp\u00f4t non remboursable pour la premi\u00e8re ann\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398227\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je repr\u00e9sente moi-m\u00eame une r\u00e9gion o\u00f9 le niveau d'emploi est tr\u00e8s \u00e9lev\u00e9 et l'\u00e9conomie est tr\u00e8s forte, mais cela n'a pas toujours \u00e9t\u00e9 le cas. Je me suis donc demand\u00e9 si effectivement cette mesure aurait pu aider. Ce qui m'a aussi aid\u00e9e dans ma r\u00e9flexion sur ce projet de loi, c'est que la semaine derni\u00e8re, j'ai eu l'occasion de rencontrer une trentaine de jeunes gens en provenance des r\u00e9gions rurales de la Colombie-Britannique. Parmi eux se trouvaient de nouveaux dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s et certains \u00e9tudiants qui \u00e9taient pr\u00e8s de terminer. Tout cela a aid\u00e9 ma r\u00e9flexion et voici les conclusions que j'ai tir\u00e9es. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398228\" data-originallang=\"fr\">\u00c0 mon avis, le NPD peut appuyer le principe de ce projet de loi \u2014 avec une certaine r\u00e9serve \u2014, parce qu'il permettrait d'\u00e9galiser les chances des collectivit\u00e9s rurales par rapport aux centres urbains qui sont nettement avantag\u00e9s sur le plan du recrutement de travailleurs qualifi\u00e9s. Le projet de loi serait avantageux pour les familles \u00e0 faible revenu et \u00e0 revenu moyen dans les collectivit\u00e9s rurales du Canada, et permettrait de consolider la situation \u00e9conomique et sociale de ces collectivit\u00e9s en s'attaquant aux probl\u00e8mes de d\u00e9peuplement et de l'exode des jeunes. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398229\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Cela \u00e9tant dit, il faut pr\u00e9ciser que le projet de loi n'est qu'un tout petit pas dans la bonne direction. Par exemple, il encourage les dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s \u00e0 aller travailler dans les r\u00e9gions \u00e9conomiquement d\u00e9favoris\u00e9es, mais seulement pendant un an, comme vient de le souligner notre coll\u00e8gue. Le programme qu\u00e9b\u00e9cois dont s'inspire ce projet de loi \u2014 si j'ai bien compris \u2014 est r\u00e9parti de fa\u00e7on plus graduelle, offrant un cr\u00e9dit annuel maximal de 3 000 $ et un cr\u00e9dit maximal de 8 000 $ \u00e0 vie. Il comporte ainsi une incitation financi\u00e8re de trois ans ou plus. Pour ma part, je ne sais pas si un incitatif d'un an serait suffisant pour atteindre les objectifs que vise le d\u00e9put\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398230\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Notre deuxi\u00e8me r\u00e9serve sur le programme concerne le fait qu'il pourrait se r\u00e9v\u00e9ler hautement inefficace s'il n'\u00e9tait pas accompagn\u00e9 d'un plan global de d\u00e9veloppement r\u00e9gional. Le cr\u00e9dit d'imp\u00f4t propos\u00e9 serait accord\u00e9 aux nouveaux dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s qui travaillent dans une r\u00e9gion dans laquelle, aux termes de la Loi sur les subventions au d\u00e9veloppement r\u00e9gional:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398231\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> [...] des mesures sp\u00e9ciales sont jug\u00e9es n\u00e9cessaires pour favoriser l\u2019expansion \u00e9conomique et le rel\u00e8vement social. </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398232\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Et plus particuli\u00e8rement une r\u00e9gion o\u00f9:</p>\n<blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398233\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> [...] les possibilit\u00e9s d\u2019emploi productif qui existent dans la r\u00e9gion sont exceptionnellement insuffisantes; </p>\n</blockquote><p data-HoCid=\"398234\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Est-il est judicieux d'envoyer des dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s dans des r\u00e9gions o\u00f9 les possibilit\u00e9s d'emploi sont exceptionnellement insuffisantes, selon les termes de la loi. Pour les personnes qui y vivent d\u00e9j\u00e0, nous devons trouver des moyens de cr\u00e9er plus d'emplois dans ces collectivit\u00e9s avant d'y attirer plus de travailleurs.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398235\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au lieu, ou peut-\u00eatre en plus de cet incitatif sous forme de cr\u00e9dit d'imp\u00f4t, il serait plus sage de bonifier le programme Placement carri\u00e8re-\u00e9t\u00e9 plut\u00f4t que de le r\u00e9duire de moiti\u00e9 comme le proposent les conservateurs. Cela aurait l'avantage d'accro\u00eetre les occasions d'emploi dans les r\u00e9gions d\u00e9favoris\u00e9es sur le plan \u00e9conomique. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398236\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les conservateurs ont vu certaines failles dans ce programme qui sont bien r\u00e9elles, mais ils auraient pu et auraient d\u00fb les corriger. Les collectivit\u00e9s rurales \u00e0 faible taux d'emploi, ainsi que les employeurs dans les secteurs \u00e0 but non lucratif en r\u00e9gions urbaines devraient pouvoir continuer \u00e0 b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier de ce programme, en particulier compte tenu de l'\u00e9norme dette devant laquelle les nouveaux dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s se retrouvent en ce moment.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398237\" data-originallang=\"en\">Au cours de la derni\u00e8re l\u00e9gislature, un comit\u00e9 sur les ressources humaines compos\u00e9 de repr\u00e9sentants de tous les partis a unanimement recommand\u00e9 dans un rapport que d'importantes modifications soient apport\u00e9es \u00e0 la formule de r\u00e9partition des subventions du programme Placement carri\u00e8re-\u00e9t\u00e9, qui est actuellement fond\u00e9e sur le nombre d'\u00e9tudiants dans la circonscription.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398238\" data-originallang=\"en\">Lorsque les donn\u00e9es du recensement de 2001 ont \u00e9t\u00e9 int\u00e9gr\u00e9es \u00e0 la formule, plusieurs circonscriptions ont connu d'importantes coupures, en particulier les petites circonscriptions, celles englobant des quartiers d\u00e9favoris\u00e9s et celles situ\u00e9es dans des r\u00e9gions rurales et dans le Nord. Le comit\u00e9 a recommand\u00e9 de tenir compte des populations d\u00e9savantag\u00e9es et rurales dans la formule. Il a aussi recommand\u00e9 que les \u00e9tudiants de plus de 30 ans, souvent des m\u00e8res chefs de famille, soient admissibles. En ce moment, seuls les \u00e9tudiants \u00e2g\u00e9s de 15 \u00e0 30 ans sont admissibles.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398239\" data-originallang=\"en\">Placement carri\u00e8re-\u00e9t\u00e9 est un programme tr\u00e8s pr\u00e9cieux pour de nombreux groupes sans but lucratif qui ne pourraient autrement offrir des salaires concurrentiels ou se permettre d'embaucher des \u00e9tudiants pour faire du travail utile dans la collectivit\u00e9. Il est aussi pr\u00e9cieux pour les gens d'affaires des petites localit\u00e9s rurales et permet d'\u00e9viter aux \u00e9tudiants d'avoir \u00e0 chercher du travail dans des centres plus importants. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398240\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le gouvernement affirme qu'il veut cibler davantage les jeunes \u00e0 risque avec ce programme et faire en sorte que les entreprises rentables qui peuvent verser des salaires plus \u00e9lev\u00e9s ne soient pas subventionn\u00e9es.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398241\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je conviens que les ressources du programme pourraient \u00eatre mieux cibl\u00e9es, mais cela ne signifie pas pour autant qu'elles doivent \u00eatre coup\u00e9es. Le gouvernement pourrait mieux cibler en conservant les niveaux actuels de financement. Il aurait ainsi un impact plus important.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398242\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le NPD proposerait plut\u00f4t de r\u00e9tablir le financement complet du programme Placement carri\u00e8re-\u00e9t\u00e9 et de mettre en oeuvre les recommandations du comit\u00e9 dont j'ai parl\u00e9. Le NPD s'attaquerait aussi \u00e0 la source du probl\u00e8me, c'est-\u00e0-dire au fait que les \u00e9tudes postsecondaires sont inabordables pour les familles rurales et les familles \u00e0 faible revenu. Pour attirer des dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s dans des r\u00e9gions \u00e9conomiquement d\u00e9favoris\u00e9es, il faudrait id\u00e9alement qu'ils viennent de ces r\u00e9gions et qu'ils y retournent pour travailler. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398243\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u00c0 l'heure actuelle, les frais de scolarit\u00e9 et les autres co\u00fbts li\u00e9s \u00e0 l'\u00e9ducation sont devenus inabordables m\u00eame pour la classe moyenne au Canada. Voil\u00e0 le probl\u00e8me qu'il faut r\u00e9gler. Les dipl\u00f4m\u00e9s croulent sous les dettes et d\u00e8s le d\u00e9but de leurs carri\u00e8res ils doivent limitent leurs options et leurs choix de carri\u00e8re. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398244\" data-originallang=\"en\">La solution lib\u00e9rale-conservatrice traditionnelle a consist\u00e9 \u00e0 rendre les pr\u00eats \u00e9tudiants plus accessibles, ce qui a consid\u00e9rablement augment\u00e9 l'endettement des \u00e9tudiants au Canada. Cette solution a permis aux \u00e9tudiants des r\u00e9gions rurales de faire des \u00e9tudes postsecondaires, mais ils terminent leur programme avec une dette inacceptable. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398245\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme je l'ai dit, nous pr\u00e9coniserions d'aller \u00e0 la source du probl\u00e8me et de rendre les \u00e9tudes postsecondaires plus abordables en cr\u00e9ant un programme national de bourses non remboursables qui \u00e9liminerait ces \u00e9normes niveaux d'endettement. Nous pr\u00e9coniserions aussi de r\u00e9former le r\u00e9gime de pr\u00eats \u00e9tudiants qui est actuellement tr\u00e8s rigide. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398246\" data-originallang=\"en\">Recibler les ressources vers ceux qui en ont le plus besoin est un \u00e9l\u00e9ment de r\u00e9ponse que mon coll\u00e8gue du Bloc, qui a propos\u00e9 ce projet de loi, envisagera comme une solution partielle, je l'esp\u00e8re, au probl\u00e8me qui existe dans certaines r\u00e9gions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"398247\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Le projet de loi est motiv\u00e9 par une intention louable. Il repr\u00e9sente un d\u00e9but de solution \u00e0 un grave probl\u00e8me dans certaines r\u00e9gions du Canada. Cependant, j'engage le d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"78427\" href=\"/politicians/robert-bouchard/\" title=\"Robert Bouchard\">Chicoutimi\u2014Le Fjord</a> \u00e0 convaincre ses coll\u00e8gues du Bloc et tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de la Chambre d'appuyer la vision du NPD relative aux \u00e9tudes postsecondaires, qui propose une vue globale, compl\u00e8te, afin de redonner espoir aux \u00e9tudiants ainsi qu'aux r\u00e9gions rurales et aux petites collectivit\u00e9s du Canada. </p>"
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