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{
"time": "2010-06-15 09:15:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Fran\u00e7ois Guimont",
"fr": ""
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"2066734\" data-originallang=\"en\">It's fair. I understand your point, and I agree with that. Ultimately, we're custodians of these buildings on behalf of Canadians. It's the same way when we carry out investments, we use taxpayers' money.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066735\" data-originallang=\"en\">Going back to the point of governance, not to be too long about this, I think the first step, quite logically, is to look at the models out there, and there are quite a few where the ownership has been vested into the legislative branch of government. We have examples of that; it's been documented. I think Madam Fraser notes that, whether it's in the U.K., Australia, New Zealand, or frankly even in a republican-type system like the United States, it's a bit of the same principle. So in order for one to manage correctly and set projects, the accountability should be in one area. It doesn't mean that it excludes discussions\u2014far from it\u2014but having one area where the accountability is squarely rooted is certainly helping decision-making in long-term investments.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066736\" data-originallang=\"en\">As we look at the options--we're going to be looking at the various models--we are going to look at elements related to ownership, the point you make. What should the new entity look like, structurally speaking? Who should be part of that entity, the decision-making functions related to governance? Leadership--who should be in charge? Funding elements: how would that be thought through, how would that be challenged, how would that be set in place?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066737\" data-originallang=\"en\">There's the issue of transparency. When we look at the models, most of them have a relationship with an auditor general equivalent, so there's transparency in how decisions are made, value for money, and things of that nature. On oversight, it's the same thing. And delivery and implementation: how will that be carried out?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066738\" data-originallang=\"en\">So in a governance model, I'm not saying these are the only elements that should be considered, but it's quite important to be able go through these elements as options are being put forward and considered.</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"2066734\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est juste. Je comprends ce que vous voulez dire, et je suis d'accord avec vous. En fin de compte, nous gardons ces \u00e9difices au nom des Canadiens. Il en est de m\u00eame lorsque nous r\u00e9alisons des investissements: nous utilisons l'argent des contribuables.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066735\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour revenir \u00e0 la question de la gouvernance, je ne veux pas m'\u00e9terniser l\u00e0-dessus, mais je pense que la premi\u00e8re \u00e9tape, logiquement, est d'examiner les mod\u00e8les qui existent ailleurs. Dans bien des cas, la propri\u00e9t\u00e9 de ces \u00e9difices a \u00e9t\u00e9 confi\u00e9e \u00e0 l'organe l\u00e9gislatif du gouvernement. Nous avons des exemples de ce type et des documents \u00e0 l'appui. Je crois que Mme Fraser a fait remarquer que peu importe o\u00f9 l'on se trouve \u2014 qu'on soit au Royaume-Uni, en Australie, en Nouvelle-Z\u00e9lande ou m\u00eame aux \u00c9tats-Unis, qui ont un syst\u00e8me de type r\u00e9publicain \u2014, le principe est \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s le m\u00eame. Pour faciliter la r\u00e9alisation des projets et assurer une gestion ad\u00e9quate, la responsabilit\u00e9 doit revenir \u00e0 un seul secteur. Cela n'emp\u00eache pas les discussions \u2014 loin de l\u00e0 \u2014, mais nul doute que la concentration des responsabilit\u00e9s simplifie la prise de d\u00e9cisions concernant les investissements \u00e0 long terme.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066736\" data-originallang=\"en\">Avant de parvenir \u00e0 une solution, nous devrons examiner les diff\u00e9rents mod\u00e8les et nous pencher sur les \u00e9l\u00e9ments li\u00e9s \u00e0 la propri\u00e9t\u00e9 \u2014 \u00e0 savoir le point que vous avez mentionn\u00e9. \u00c0 quoi devrait ressembler la structure de la nouvelle entit\u00e9? Qui devrait en faire partie? Qui devrait prendre les d\u00e9cisions en lien avec la gouvernance? Qui devrait \u00eatre responsable? Et pour le financement, quel serait le raisonnement, comment pourrait-on en discuter, puis mettre ces mesures en place?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066737\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a aussi la question de la transparence. En examinant les diff\u00e9rents mod\u00e8les, on constate qu'il existe, dans la plupart des cas, un lien avec un v\u00e9rificateur g\u00e9n\u00e9ral. Les d\u00e9cisions sont ainsi prises dans un souci de transparence et on s'assure que l'argent est bien d\u00e9pens\u00e9, etc. Il en est de m\u00eame pour la surveillance. Il faut aussi se questionner sur l'ex\u00e9cution et la mise en oeuvre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2066738\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je ne dis pas que ce sont les seuls \u00e9l\u00e9ments \u00e0 prendre en consid\u00e9ration pour choisir un mod\u00e8le de gouvernance, mais il est tr\u00e8s important de les \u00e9tudier avant de prendre une d\u00e9cision.</p>"
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