Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2024-05-09 09:45:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Darrell Samson",
        "fr": "M. Darrell Samson"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8419193\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We're members of Parliament. We're elected to represent our constituents. Whether I'm sitting on a committee or in the House of Commons, for me, the responsibilities are the same. I play by the rules in both places.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419194\" data-originallang=\"fr\">People are saying that the Speaker of the House took away the right of the Leader of the Opposition to remain in the House. It wasn't because he used a certain word. That isn't why his right was taken away. His right was taken away because he refused to apologize to the Speaker. The same thing is happening here. However, in this case, Mr. Drouin was much wiser, so to speak. He took matters into his own hands and formally apologized. In the other case, the member of Parliament was expelled. Contrary to what people say, it wasn't because of the word \u201cwacko\u201d. It wasn't because of that word. Canadians know that. This is serious.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419195\" data-originallang=\"fr\">As the Leader of the Opposition who aspires to become prime minister of Canada, he had to take responsibility when the Speaker of the House made it clear that his language wasn't acceptable in the House. The Speaker is the arbiter. That's democracy. We trust the Speaker of the House of Commons. We ask the Speaker to ensure that democracy is respected. We ask the Speaker to ensure that people follow the guidelines and procedures in the House of Commons. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419196\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I know that my mother and father wouldn't be happy with me if the arbiter responsible for ensuring democracy in the Canadian institution said that I used unacceptable language. We elected this arbiter democratically. All 338 members of Parliament voted or had the right to vote.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419197\" data-originallang=\"fr\">This person has responsibilities. The Speaker doesn't make a decision simply because he finds comments unacceptable and wants to make a decision. He must ensure that the rules of the game are followed. He asked the member for <a data-HoCid=\"278241\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a> to apologize. Understandably, when someone reacts emotionally, they can make a mistake. I could make this type of mistake. The Leader of the Opposition may make a mistake. It's understandable. However, he must apologize. The arbiter of democracy simply made that request, nothing more complicated.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419198\" data-originallang=\"fr\">It pains me that the person who aspires to become prime minister refuses to apologize for making comments that the judge of democracy finds unacceptable. That alone is serious. It's hard to look at yourself in the mirror after having done this.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419199\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I know that most of us were in the House. I don't know whether you remember, Mr. Chair, but I believe that about 200 people were in the House.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419200\" data-originallang=\"fr\">That's one thing.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419201\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We also know that Canadians watch the House proceedings on television. My parents tuned in every day. They hoped to see me in the House, but I didn't make it there in time.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419202\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Let me get back to the number of people that I referred to earlier. The audience consisted of 150 to 200 young people between the ages of 15 and 25, all of whom witnessed the situation. What are they now saying about the elected officials?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419203\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I can imagine the discussion that these young people may have had with their parents at the dinner table, where education often begins. They undoubtedly told their parents how proud they were to have visited the Parliament of Canada, where they were told that laws are passed to ensure that Canada continues to prosper, for example. They then said that they heard a member of Parliament use unacceptable language to describe a person and that they found it surprising to hear this type of language used in such a place.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419204\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I can imagine the rest of their conversation at the table, with the parents then asking the young person if anyone had spoken up to say that this type of language was unacceptable. I can also imagine the young person then responding that the Speaker of the House of Commons said that the language was unacceptable and asked the person to apologize, which the person didn't do. Not only did the member of Parliament not apologize, but he continued to speak as the leader of the official opposition, the person who aspires to become prime minister. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419205\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I think that this situation is even more sensitive than the situation brought on by our colleague.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419206\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I tried to imagine the conversation between the parent and the young person after the young person explained that the language used wasn't\u2014</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8419193\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> Nous sommes des d\u00e9put\u00e9s, nous sommes \u00e9lus pour repr\u00e9senter nos concitoyens. Que je si\u00e8ge \u00e0 un comit\u00e9 ou \u00e0 la Chambre des communes, pour moi, les responsabilit\u00e9s sont les m\u00eames. Je suis les r\u00e8gles du jeu aux deux endroits.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419194\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Les gens disent que le Pr\u00e9sident de la Chambre a enlev\u00e9 au chef de l'opposition le droit de rester \u00e0 la Chambre. Ce n'est pas \u00e0 cause du mot qu'il avait utilis\u00e9. Ce n'est pas pour cette raison que son droit lui a \u00e9t\u00e9 enlev\u00e9. Son droit lui a \u00e9t\u00e9 enlev\u00e9 parce qu'il avait refus\u00e9 de pr\u00e9senter ses excuses \u00e0 la pr\u00e9sidence. C'est exactement la m\u00eame chose qui se passe ici, sauf qu'ici, M. Drouin a \u00e9t\u00e9 beaucoup plus sage, si je puis dire, parce qu'il a pris cela en main personnellement et s'est excus\u00e9 de fa\u00e7on formelle. Dans l'autre cas, le d\u00e9put\u00e9 a \u00e9t\u00e9 expuls\u00e9, mais ce n'\u00e9tait pas \u00e0 cause du mot \u00ab <em>wacko </em> \u00bb, contrairement \u00e0 ce que les gens disent. Ce n'\u00e9tait pas \u00e0 cause de ce mot, et les Canadiens et les Canadiennes sont au courant de cela. C'est du s\u00e9rieux.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419195\" data-originallang=\"fr\">En tant que chef de l'opposition qui aspire \u00e0 devenir premier ministre du Canada, il devait assumer sa responsabilit\u00e9 quand le Pr\u00e9sident de la Chambre lui a indiqu\u00e9 clairement que les paroles qu'il avait utilis\u00e9es n'\u00e9taient pas acceptables \u00e0 la Chambre. Le Pr\u00e9sident, c'est l'arbitre. C'est cela, la d\u00e9mocratie. Le Pr\u00e9sident de la Chambre des communes est celui \u00e0 qui on fait confiance. C'est \u00e0 lui qu'on demande d'assurer le respect de la d\u00e9mocratie. C'est \u00e0 lui qu'on demande de s'assurer que les gens respectent les lignes directrices et les proc\u00e9dures \u00e0 la Chambre des communes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419196\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je sais que ma m\u00e8re et mon p\u00e8re ne seraient pas tr\u00e8s contents de moi si l'arbitre qui est responsable d'assurer la d\u00e9mocratie dans l'institution canadienne avait dit que j'avais utilis\u00e9 des paroles inacceptables. C'est un arbitre que nous avons \u00e9lu d\u00e9mocratiquement. Tous les d\u00e9put\u00e9s, soit 338 personnes, ont vot\u00e9 ou avaient le droit de voter.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419197\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Cette personne a des responsabilit\u00e9s. Le Pr\u00e9sident ne prend pas une d\u00e9cision juste parce qu'il juge qu'on a dit des propos inacceptables et parce qu'il veut prendre une d\u00e9cision. Il doit s'assurer que les r\u00e8gles de jeu sont respect\u00e9es. Il a demand\u00e9 au d\u00e9put\u00e9 de <a data-HoCid=\"278241\" href=\"/politicians/pierre-poilievre/\" title=\"Pierre Poilievre\">Carleton</a> de pr\u00e9senter des excuses. On comprend que, lors d'une r\u00e9action \u00e9motive, on puisse faire une faute. Je pourrais faire une telle faute. Il se peut que le chef de l'opposition fasse une faute. C'est compr\u00e9hensible, mais il faut s'en excuser. L'arbitre de la d\u00e9mocratie a demand\u00e9 pr\u00e9cis\u00e9ment cela, rien de plus compliqu\u00e9. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419198\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ce qui me fait mal, c'est que celui qui aspire \u00e0 devenir premier ministre refuse de s'excuser d'avoir tenu des propos inacceptables selon le juge de la d\u00e9mocratie. En soi, c'est grave. Il n'est pas facile de se regarder dans le miroir apr\u00e8s avoir fait cela.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419199\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je sais que la plupart d'entre nous \u00e9taient pr\u00e9sents \u00e0 la Chambre. Je ne sais pas si vous vous en souvenez, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident, mais, si ma m\u00e9moire est bonne, il y avait \u00e0 peu pr\u00e8s 200 personnes \u00e0 la Chambre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419200\" data-originallang=\"fr\">C'est une chose.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419201\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ensuite, on sait que les Canadiens et les Canadiennes \u00e9coutent les d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations de la Chambre \u00e0 la t\u00e9l\u00e9vision. Mes parents les \u00e9coutaient tous les jours. Ils esp\u00e9raient m'y voir, mais je n'y suis pas arriv\u00e9 \u00e0 temps.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419202\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je reviens au nombre de personnes dont j'ai parl\u00e9 pr\u00e9c\u00e9demment. Il y avait de 150 \u00e0 200 personnes dans l'auditoire, compos\u00e9 de jeunes de 15 \u00e0 25 ans, qui ont tous \u00e9t\u00e9 t\u00e9moins de la situation. Que se disent-ils maintenant \u00e0 propos des \u00e9lus? </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419203\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je peux tr\u00e8s bien imaginer la discussion que ces jeunes ont pu avoir autour de la table avec leurs parents, l\u00e0 o\u00f9 commence souvent l'\u00e9ducation. Ils leur ont sans doute dit avoir \u00e9t\u00e9 tellement fiers d'\u00eatre all\u00e9s au Parlement du Canada, l\u00e0 o\u00f9, leur a-t-on expliqu\u00e9, les lois sont adopt\u00e9es pour que le Canada continue de prosp\u00e9rer, entre autres. Ils leur ont ensuite dit avoir entendu un d\u00e9put\u00e9 utiliser un langage inacceptable pour qualifier une personne et avoir \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e9tonn\u00e9s d'entendre ce type de vocabulaire \u00e0 un tel endroit. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419204\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'imagine tr\u00e8s bien la suite de leur conversation autour de la table, et les parents demander alors au jeune si une personne est intervenue pour dire que ce type de vocabulaire \u00e9tait inacceptable. J'imagine aussi le jeune r\u00e9pondre ensuite avoir entendu le Pr\u00e9sident de la Chambre des communes dire que le langage utilis\u00e9 \u00e9tait inacceptable et demander \u00e0 la personne l'ayant employ\u00e9 de s'excuser, ce que cette derni\u00e8re n'a pas fait. Non seulement le d\u00e9put\u00e9 ne s'est pas excus\u00e9, mais il a continu\u00e9 de parler en tant que chef de l'opposition officielle, celui qui aspire au poste de premier ministre. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419205\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je crois que cette situation est encore plus d\u00e9licate que celle provoqu\u00e9e par notre coll\u00e8gue.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8419206\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'ai essay\u00e9 d'imaginer la conversation entre le parent et le jeune apr\u00e8s que celui-ci a expliqu\u00e9 que le langage utilis\u00e9 n'\u00e9tait pas...</p>"
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