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{
"time": "2007-06-19 09:25:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Mr. Brian Murphy (Moncton\u2014Riverview\u2014Dieppe, Lib.)",
"fr": ""
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"740591\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Firstly, I wish to thank witnesses for their testimony.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740592\" data-originallang=\"en\">Starting off with the Canadian Bar Association, I couldn't be more in agreement with your presentation, so much so that I'm not going to ask you any questions about it. I will pass on to CBA New Brunswick president Ma\u00eetre Ren\u00e9 Basque your fine job here. Thank you for the expressions such as \u201cgenerations of rights\u201d and \u201crights cannot be compartmentalized\u201d.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740593\" data-originallang=\"en\">What we're going to face here, if you want to take it back to the CBA, are some red herring arguments that really began at your conference in St. John's, Newfoundland, last summer, when Mr. Toews, then justice minister, made the argument that governments should not fund cases they don't know anything about as adversaries.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740594\" data-originallang=\"en\">What we've learned in our little research here, through this committee, is that the vast majority of cases are not against the federal government; they're against municipal governments\u2014I have some experience in that regard\u2014provincial governments, and other boards, associations. So that's a red herring. You'll hear, probably today as well, that we should be concerned with other minorities, other minority language needs, and that's a fair comment. But this is the official languages issue, and this is what we're here to discuss.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740595\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you for your comments. I have two questions for Mr. Doucet and for Mrs. Aucoin.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740596\" data-originallang=\"fr\">It is important to understand that entrenching linguistic rights in section 24 of the Charter does not spell the end of case law in this area. On the other hand, it has been said that the issue of language rights has been resolved. Is this the case?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740597\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Secondly, one argument used against the Court Challenges Program is that people living in Dieppe, New Brunswick, for instance, which now happens to be the wealthiest community in the province, have the means to defend their rights. They are able to pay lawyers to defend their rights. Do you agree with this argument, Mr. Doucet?</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740598\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Mrs. Aucoin, how does abolishing the Court Challenges Program affect Acadian society?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"740591\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident. Tout d'abord, je veux remercier tous les t\u00e9moins de leurs t\u00e9moignages.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740592\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vais commencer par m'adresser \u00e0 l'Association du Barreau canadien. Je suis enti\u00e8rement d'accord avec votre expos\u00e9, \u00e0 tel point que je ne vais pas vous poser de questions. Je vais faire part \u00e0 M<sup>e</sup> Ren\u00e9 Basque, pr\u00e9sident de l'ABC au Nouveau-Brunswick, de l'excellent travail que vous faites ici. Je vous remercie pour les expressions comme \u00ab g\u00e9n\u00e9rations de droits \u00bb et \u00ab on ne peut pas compartimenter les droits \u00bb. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740593\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous serons confront\u00e9s ici, et je vous invite \u00e0 en faire part \u00e0 l'ABC, \u00e0 certains arguments fallacieux et le tout a d'ailleurs commenc\u00e9 \u00e0 votre conf\u00e9rence tenue l'\u00e9t\u00e9 dernier \u00e0 St. John's, \u00e0 Terre-Neuve, quand le ministre de la Justice d'alors, M. Toews, a invoqu\u00e9 l'argument que les gouvernements ne doivent pas financer des causes dont ils ne connaissent rien \u00e0 titre de partie adverse.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740594\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce que nous avons appris gr\u00e2ce aux recherches que nous avons effectu\u00e9es ici au comit\u00e9, c'est que la grande majorit\u00e9 des poursuites ne visent pas le gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral, mais plut\u00f4t les administrations municipales \u2014 j'ai quelque exp\u00e9rience \u00e0 cet \u00e9gard \u2014, les gouvernements provinciaux et d'autres commissions ou associations. C'est donc un argument fallacieux. On vous dira probablement aussi aujourd'hui que nous devrions nous pr\u00e9occuper d'autres minorit\u00e9s, d'autres besoins en mati\u00e8re de langues minoritaires, et c'est une observation valable. Mais ce qui est en cause et ce dont nous sommes cens\u00e9s discuter ici aujourd'hui, c'est le dossier des langues officielles.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740595\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je vous remercie pour vos commentaires. J'aurai deux questions pour Me Doucet et une pour Mme Aucoin. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740596\" data-originallang=\"fr\"> Il est tr\u00e8s important de comprendre que l'ench\u00e2ssement des droits linguistiques \u00e0 l'article 24 de la Charte n'est pas la fin de la jurisprudence dans ce domaine. De l'autre c\u00f4t\u00e9, on a dit que la question des droits linguistiques \u00e9tait r\u00e9gl\u00e9e. Est-ce le cas? </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740597\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Deuxi\u00e8mement, un argument qu'on invoque contre le Programme de contestation judiciaire est que des groupes comme les gens de Dieppe, au Nouveau-Brunswick, qui est maintenant la plus riche communaut\u00e9 de cette province, ont les moyens de d\u00e9fendre leurs droits. Ils peuvent payer des avocats pour d\u00e9fendre leurs droits. \u00cates-vous d'accord sur cet argument, monsieur Doucet? </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"740598\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Madame Aucoin, en quoi l'abolition du Programme de contestation judiciaire affectera-t-elle la soci\u00e9t\u00e9 acadienne?</p>"
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