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{
    "time": "2023-12-05 17:10:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Rh\u00e9al \u00c9loi Fortin",
        "fr": "M. Rh\u00e9al \u00c9loi Fortin"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8100503\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Madam Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100504\" data-originallang=\"fr\">As I've said before, I may be alone on this. I, too, am very concerned about the situation we're seeing around the world, particularly the acts of antisemitism committed in recent weeks. In fact, such acts have been going on for a long time. I personally find them abhorrent. The same goes for acts against Muslims or any other religion. Religions should encourage us to unite and work together in harmony. I don't want to use clich\u00e9s, but I would say that they should encourage us to love one another rather than seek to harm, hurt or kill one another. It all seems abhorrent to me, and I agree that we should do everything in our power to fight against such acts.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100505\" data-originallang=\"fr\">That said, I think we need to proceed rationally. As I said earlier, I'm sympathetic to the arguments raised by Mr. Moore, but I think they're a bit hasty. There are a lot of things in there that aren't even within the purview of our committee. Unless I'm mistaken, I believe the list of terrorist entities is the responsibility of the Minister of Public Safety. There's also the financing of infrastructure projects. There are various items that don't fall under the purview of our committee.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100506\" data-originallang=\"fr\">On the other hand, we have not received any witnesses on this subject. But even if we are sensitive to these issues, we must be rigorous in our work, in my opinion. Before adopting a motion that makes or supports allegations, we would have to call witnesses. If we didn't do this, all our studies would be useless. All we'd have to do is ask ourselves if we're sensitive to a situation and then produce a report.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100507\" data-originallang=\"fr\">For my part, I think it's too quick and that witnesses should be called. What's more, I'm not sure that all this falls within the remit of our committee. I'm aware that, for all sorts of reasons that I don't understand or that perhaps don't concern me, the Liberals and Conservatives will support this motion. It will therefore be adopted. I'd like to say that I'm very sensitive to these arguments, but that it's hasty, in my opinion, and that we'd be better off hearing from witnesses over the course of one or two sessions before making a decision.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100508\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We're here to look at Bill <a data-HoCid=\"12237277\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-40/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to repeal a regulation (miscarriage of justice reviews)\">C\u201140</a>. Now, this isn't a motion we can easily make a decision on in two minutes. There's substance here. We're talking about 700 Iranian agents. Who are these agents? There are many questions we need to consider seriously. In my opinion, it's not serious to make a decision after simply hearing our respective states of mind.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8100503\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci, madame la pr\u00e9sidente.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100504\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Comme je l'ai d\u00e9j\u00e0 dit, je vais peut-\u00eatre faire bande \u00e0 part. Je suis, moi aussi, tr\u00e8s pr\u00e9occup\u00e9 par la situation que l'on observe partout dans le monde, notamment par les actes d'antis\u00e9mitisme commis au cours des derni\u00e8res semaines. En fait, de tels actes sont perp\u00e9tr\u00e9s depuis longtemps. Pour ma part, je trouve cela odieux. Il en va de m\u00eame pour les gestes pos\u00e9s \u00e0 l'encontre des musulmans ou contre toute religion. Les religions devraient nous inciter \u00e0 nous unir et \u00e0 travailler ensemble dans l'harmonie. Je ne veux pas \u00e9noncer de clich\u00e9, mais je dirais qu'elles devraient nous inciter \u00e0 nous aimer les uns les autres plut\u00f4t qu'\u00e0 chercher \u00e0 se nuire, \u00e0 se blesser ou \u00e0 s'entretuer. Tout cela m'appara\u00eet odieux, et je suis d'accord pour que nous fassions tout ce qui est en notre pouvoir pour lutter contre de tels actes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100505\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Cela dit, je pense que nous devons proc\u00e9der de fa\u00e7on rationnelle. Comme je le disais tant\u00f4t, je suis sensible aux arguments soulev\u00e9s par M. Moore, mais je crois que c'est un peu pr\u00e9cipit\u00e9. Il y a l\u00e0-dedans un bon nombre d'\u00e9l\u00e9ments qui ne rel\u00e8vent m\u00eame pas de notre comit\u00e9. Sauf erreur, je crois que la liste des entit\u00e9s terroristes rel\u00e8ve du ministre de la S\u00e9curit\u00e9 publique. Il y a aussi le financement de projets d'infrastructure. Divers \u00e9l\u00e9ments ne rel\u00e8vent pas de notre comit\u00e9.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100506\" data-originallang=\"fr\">D'autre part, nous n'avons pas re\u00e7u de t\u00e9moins \u00e0 ce sujet. Or, m\u00eame si nous sommes sensibles \u00e0 ces questions, nous nous devons d'\u00eatre rigoureux dans notre travail, \u00e0 mon avis. Avant d'adopter une motion qui formule ou soutient des all\u00e9gations, il faudrait que nous fassions compara\u00eetre des t\u00e9moins. Si nous ne proc\u00e9dions pas de cette fa\u00e7on, toutes les \u00e9tudes que nous faisons seraient inutiles. Nous n'aurions qu'\u00e0 nous demander si nous sommes sensibles \u00e0 une situation et \u00e0 produire ensuite un rapport.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100507\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Pour ma part, je pense que c'est trop rapide et qu'il faudrait faire compara\u00eetre des t\u00e9moins. De plus, je ne suis pas certain que tout cela rel\u00e8ve de notre comit\u00e9. Je suis conscient que, pour toutes sortes de raisons que je ne saisis pas ou qui, peut-\u00eatre, ne me concernent pas, les lib\u00e9raux et les conservateurs vont appuyer cette motion. Elle sera donc adopt\u00e9e. Je tiens \u00e0 dire que je suis tr\u00e8s sensible \u00e0 ces arguments, mais que c'est pr\u00e9cipit\u00e9, selon moi, et que nous aurions avantage \u00e0 recevoir des t\u00e9moins au cours d'une ou deux s\u00e9ances avant de nous prononcer.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8100508\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Nous sommes ici pour nous pencher sur le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"12237277\" href=\"/bills/44-1/C-40/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code, to make consequential amendments to other Acts and to repeal a regulation (miscarriage of justice reviews)\">C\u201140</a>. Or, il ne s'agit pas d'une motion sur laquelle nous pouvons facilement prendre une d\u00e9cision en deux minutes. Il y a de la substance l\u00e0-dedans. On parle de 700 agents iraniens. Qui sont ces agents? De nombreuses questions m\u00e9riteraient que nous les consid\u00e9rions s\u00e9rieusement. \u00c0 mon avis, ce n'est pas faire preuve de s\u00e9rieux que de se prononcer apr\u00e8s avoir simplement entendu nos \u00e9tats d'\u00e2me respectifs.</p>"
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