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{
    "time": "2018-11-21 19:10:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Robert Samery (Chair of The Board, Canadian Centre for Men and Families)",
        "fr": "M. Robert Samery (pr\u00e9sident du conseil, Canadian Centre for Men and Families)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5697810\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you very much, Mr. Chair and committee members, for having us here today.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697811\" data-originallang=\"en\">I represent the Canadian Centre for Men and Families, which is associated with the Canadian Association for Equality. With me today is Professor Jess Haines from the University of Guelph.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697812\" data-originallang=\"en\">The Canadian Centre for Men and Families was established in 2014. The centre has grown quickly, with physical hubs now in Toronto, Ottawa, London and Calgary. We offer services focused on the health and well-being of boys, men, fathers and families. The centres are open, inclusive and safe spaces providing therapy and counselling, peer support, a legal clinic, fathering programs, mentorship and support services for male victims of trauma and violence. We provide services, research, advocacy, outreach and public education on all aspects of men's issues. We also focus on children and families, not just on the one demographic we centre on.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697813\" data-originallang=\"en\">It may be a surprise, but we have a lot of agreement with people who sometimes don't agree with us entirely. In this context, let me just say that we agree that removing an individual from a child destroys a relationship. I heard that comment today, and I couldn't agree with it more. Full parenting, equal parenting or maximal parenting is the best outcome for any child.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697814\" data-originallang=\"en\">We also agree that, in cases of intimate partner violence, the definition should include coercive control and much else that our prior witnesses identified. We decidedly disagree that it should include anything to do with gender. Violence is not a gendered issue, and we would strongly advocate against that. We also agree that there is a distinction, which some of the prior witnesses have raised, between violence and high conflict. They shouldn't be conflated and shouldn't be dealt with in the same way. There are other points of agreement that we can find quite easily as well.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697815\" data-originallang=\"en\"> A very large percentage of our work deals with clients who have been embroiled in proceedings under the Divorce Act. Almost all of our separating or divorcing clients have children involved. They are, for the most part, traumatized by their children's experience of being confronted with a court process that is unfriendly towards children's needs to maintain a good relationship with both their loved parents. In short, the system needs repair. That's not news.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697816\" data-originallang=\"en\">The announcement of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"9868788\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-78/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act and the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act\">C-78</a> was widely praised by a large cross-section of individuals, organizations and stakeholders. We agree with a vast number of those stakeholders that the family law system is in desperate need of deep reform. With the announcement of the bill, the government has indicated a readiness to, at the very least, hear from the above interested parties about how each would suggest that this committee make positive advancements in the legislation governing couples' attempts to reconcile their own breakup while looking after the delicate needs of their children.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697817\" data-originallang=\"en\">Legislation is pivotal in these parent-child relationships. It can grease the improvement of those relationships or help tear them apart. ln either case, the health and well-being of the child can be significantly affected.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697818\" data-originallang=\"en\">We're advocating for an equal shared parenting presumption. Equal shared parenting, from our perspective, means that children have as close to an equal amount of both parents' time as well as being subject to both parents' judgment on long-term and important issues relating to the child.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697819\" data-originallang=\"en\">I'd like to turn it over now to my colleague to talk about why equal shared parenting is most helpful to children.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5697810\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci beaucoup, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident, mesdames et messieurs, de nous recevoir ici aujourd'hui.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697811\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je repr\u00e9sente le Canadian Centre for Men and Families, lequel est dirig\u00e9 par l'Association canadienne pour l'\u00e9galit\u00e9. J'ai \u00e0 mes c\u00f4t\u00e9s Mme Jess Haines de l'Universit\u00e9 de Guelph.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697812\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le Canadian Centre for Men and Families a \u00e9t\u00e9 fond\u00e9 en 2014. Le centre a connu une croissance rapide, et comprend aujourd'hui des carrefours \u00e0 Toronto, \u00e0 Ottawa, \u00e0 London et \u00e0 Calgary. Nous offrons des services ax\u00e9s sur la sant\u00e9 et le bien-\u00eatre des gar\u00e7ons, des hommes, des p\u00e8res et des familles. Les centres sont des espaces s\u00e9curitaires, \u00e0 caract\u00e8re ouvert et inclusif, qui offrent des services de th\u00e9rapie et de consultation, du soutien par les pairs, des services juridiques, des programmes relatifs \u00e0 la paternit\u00e9, de l'encadrement et des services de soutien aux victimes masculines de traumatismes et de violence. Nous offrons des services, effectuons des recherches et menons des activit\u00e9s de d\u00e9fense des int\u00e9r\u00eats, de sensibilisation et d'\u00e9ducation du public relativement \u00e0 l'ensemble des probl\u00e8mes v\u00e9cus par les hommes. Outre le groupe d\u00e9mographique sur lequel nous axons nos activit\u00e9s, nous nous concentrons \u00e9galement sur les enfants et les familles. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697813\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cela peut para\u00eetre surprenant, mais nous sommes d'accord sur beaucoup de points avec les personnes qui ne sont pas toujours enti\u00e8rement d'accord avec nous. Dans ce contexte, permettez-moi seulement d'affirmer que nous nous entendons pour dire que retirer la garde d'un enfant \u00e0 une personne d\u00e9truit cette relation. J'ai entendu ce commentaire aujourd'hui, et j'y souscris enti\u00e8rement. C'est qui est le mieux pour tout enfant, c'est la pr\u00e9sence des parents \u00e0 temps plein, le partage \u00e9gal des responsabilit\u00e9s parentales ou le maximum de temps parental.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697814\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous convenons \u00e9galement que la d\u00e9finition de la violence conjugale devrait inclure le contr\u00f4le coercitif et bien d'autres choses que les t\u00e9moins pr\u00e9c\u00e9dents ont mentionn\u00e9es. D\u00e9cid\u00e9ment, nous d\u00e9sapprouvons l'opinion selon laquelle la question du sexe devrait \u00eatre incluse dans cette d\u00e9finition. La violence n'est pas un probl\u00e8me sexosp\u00e9cifique, et nous nous opposons fermement \u00e0 l'inclusion de cette question dans la d\u00e9finition. Nous pensons \u00e9galement qu'il y a une distinction \u00e0 faire, laquelle a d\u00e9j\u00e0 \u00e9t\u00e9 soulev\u00e9e par certains t\u00e9moins pr\u00e9c\u00e9dents, entre la violence et les conflits graves. Nous ne devrions pas les confondre et chercher \u00e0 les r\u00e9gler de la m\u00eame mani\u00e8re. Je pourrais facilement mentionner d'autres points d'entente.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697815\" data-originallang=\"en\">Une tr\u00e8s grande partie du travail que nous effectuons concerne des clients qui se sont embourb\u00e9s dans des proc\u00e9dures en vertu de la Loi sur le divorce. La majorit\u00e9 de nos clients qui se s\u00e9parent ou qui divorcent ont des enfants. Ils sont, pour la plupart, traumatis\u00e9s par le fait que leurs enfants ont \u00e9t\u00e9 confront\u00e9s \u00e0 un processus judiciaire qui ne tient pas compte de leurs besoins relativement au maintien d'une bonne entente entre leurs deux parents. En d\u00e9finitive, le syst\u00e8me a besoin d'\u00eatre revu. Ce n'est rien de nouveau.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697816\" data-originallang=\"en\"> L'annonce du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"9868788\" href=\"/bills/42-1/C-78/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Divorce Act, the Family Orders and Agreements Enforcement Assistance Act and the Garnishment, Attachment and Pension Diversion Act and to make consequential amendments to another Act\">C-78</a> a \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s bien accueillie par un vaste \u00e9ventail de personnes, d'organisations et d'intervenants. Nous sommes d'accord avec un bon nombre de ces intervenants sur le fait que le r\u00e9gime du droit de la famille a cruellement besoin d'\u00eatre r\u00e9form\u00e9 en profondeur. En plus de l'annonce du projet de loi, le gouvernement a indiqu\u00e9 qu'il est dispos\u00e9, \u00e0 tout le moins, \u00e0 faire en sorte que ce comit\u00e9 entende les suggestions des parties concern\u00e9es sur la mani\u00e8re d'am\u00e9liorer les lois qui r\u00e9gissent le processus par lequel les couples tentent de r\u00e9gler leur rupture tout en r\u00e9pondant aux besoins particuliers de leurs enfants.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697817\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les lois jouent un r\u00f4le d\u00e9terminant dans ces relations entre les parents et les enfants. Elles peuvent am\u00e9liorer ces relations ou les briser. Dans tous les cas, la sant\u00e9 et le bien-\u00eatre de l'enfant peuvent \u00eatre touch\u00e9s de fa\u00e7on significative.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697818\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous pr\u00e9conisons la pr\u00e9somption du partage \u00e9gal des responsabilit\u00e9s parentales. De notre point de vue, ce principe signifie que les enfants passent autant de temps avec les deux parents ou presque, et qu'ils b\u00e9n\u00e9ficient \u00e9galement des avis de ces deux personnes sur des questions importantes les concernant \u00e0 long terme.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5697819\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais maintenant c\u00e9der la parole \u00e0 ma coll\u00e8gue afin qu'elle explique en quoi le partage \u00e9gal des responsabilit\u00e9s parentales est d'une grande utilit\u00e9 pour les enfants.</p>"
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