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{
"time": "2012-04-03 11:35:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Irwin Cotler (Mount Royal, Lib.)",
"fr": ""
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"2793775\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Chair. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793776\" data-originallang=\"en\"> As Ms. Findlay and others might note, I do oppose mandatory minimums, although that's not my reason at this point for supporting the amendment. Even on the matter of mandatory minimums, I don't always go in lockstep. There may be exceptions even there that I might relate to.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793777\" data-originallang=\"en\">There are a number of considerations here that prompt me to support the amendment. Reference has been made by Mr. Woodworth to denunciation; I think it is an important principle, but I believe denunciation resides in the very adoption of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"5085317\" href=\"/bills/41-1/C-217/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (mischief relating to war memorials)\">C-217 </a>to begin with. Clearly, this offence could be prosecuted and has been prosecuted under other approaches to the law of mischief, whether it be cultural property or religious property, so the offence could otherwise be prosecuted. You don't need this law to prosecute this particular offence. It is the very importance of denunciation so as to have specificity with regard to this offence that we have the offence set forth to begin with, and I support that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793778\" data-originallang=\"en\">On the amendment and why I support it, I think it would maintain consistency in the application of the law with respect to offences of this kind. Otherwise, we are distinguishing inappropriately with respect to both the generic nature of the commission of this offence and the victims involved. As I believe it has been said by Mr. Harris, a third approach\u2014one that it is anchored in the principle of restorative justice\u2014is particularly appropriate with regard to the amendment here. Finally, it will avoid the plea bargain situation in which denunciation, if not deterrence, may not be fulfilled precisely because as a result of the plea bargain; you will not even secure the very objectives of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"5085317\" href=\"/bills/41-1/C-217/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (mischief relating to war memorials)\">C-217</a> to begin with. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793779\" data-originallang=\"en\">For those considerations, I will support the amendment. </p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"2793775\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793776\" data-originallang=\"en\">Comme Mme Findlay et d'autres pourront le remarquer, je suis contre les peines minimales obligatoires, bien que, actuellement, j'appuie l'amendement pour d'autres raisons. M\u00eame sur la question des peines minimales obligatoires, je ne suis pas toujours les autres. Je comprends qu'il puisse y avoir des exceptions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793777\" data-originallang=\"en\">Un certain nombre d'\u00e9l\u00e9ments m'am\u00e8nent \u00e0 appuyer l'amendement. M. Woodworth a fait allusion \u00e0 la d\u00e9nonciation; je pense que c'est un principe important, mais je crois d'abord qu'elle se situe dans l'adoption m\u00eame du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"5085317\" href=\"/bills/41-1/C-217/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (mischief relating to war memorials)\">C-217 </a>. Manifestement, cette infraction devrait faire l'objet de poursuites et l'a \u00e9t\u00e9 en vertu d'autres approches en mati\u00e8re de m\u00e9faits, que ce soit aux d\u00e9pens de biens culturels ou religieux, ce qui fait qu'elle pourrait faire l'objet d'autres sortes de poursuites. Nous n'avons pas besoin de la loi pour intenter des poursuites contre. L'importance m\u00eame de la d\u00e9nonciation conf\u00e8re une sp\u00e9cificit\u00e9 \u00e0 l'infraction. C'est pour cette raison, d'abord, que l'infraction est expos\u00e9e. Je suis d'accord. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793778\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui concerne l'amendement et mes raisons de l'appuyer, je pense qu'il permet une certaine coh\u00e9rence dans l'application de la loi \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard des infractions de cette nature. Sinon, nous \u00e9tablissons une distinction inappropri\u00e9e \u00e0 l'\u00e9gard de la nature g\u00e9n\u00e9rale de la commission de cette infraction et la nature des victimes. Comme l'a dit M. Harris, je crois, une troisi\u00e8me approche \u2014 qui est arrim\u00e9e au principe de la justice r\u00e9paratrice \u2014 est particuli\u00e8rement appropri\u00e9e \u00e0 l'amendement. Enfin, il permettra d'\u00e9viter la n\u00e9gociation de plaidoyers qui intrins\u00e8quement emp\u00eacherait la d\u00e9nonciation, sinon la dissuasion; dans ce cas-l\u00e0, tout d'abord, on n'atteindrait m\u00eame pas les objectifs particuliers du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"5085317\" href=\"/bills/41-1/C-217/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (mischief relating to war memorials)\">C-217</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"2793779\" data-originallang=\"en\">Voil\u00e0 pourquoi j'appuierai l'amendement.</p>"
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