Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2009-03-25 16:30:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Marc Lemay (Abitibi\u2014T\u00e9miscamingue, BQ)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1393284\" data-originallang=\"fr\">First of all, I would like to thank our guests for being here today.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393285\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I do not agree with Vancouver's position, though it is a magnificent city. Appointing one person as a judge rather than another because he promises to give harsher sentences makes no sense.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393286\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Having said that, have you already carried out a study? I read your study on repeat offenders, but have you already looked at parole services? The problem is not when someone goes into prison but rather when they come out. Have you seen that prisoners are coming out too quickly, that they are not doing their time? It is not right that a prisoner should be freed after 3 months when a judge sentenced them to 22 months.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393287\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Stop asking for longer sentences; that is not the problem. Stop asking for direction from judges. Ask the government to change the parole laws. Prisoners are freed too quickly. If you do not admit to that, we are off to a bad start, particularly as far as organized crime is concerned.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393288\" data-originallang=\"fr\">White-collar criminals or leaders get out of jail. We never see them. They are not the ones who hit people with baseball bats; they tell someone else to do it for them. When they go into jail, they behave like gentlemen and they are quickly released.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393289\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ms. Sutton, you will certainly come back to the committee. I would like to get more information about parole. What does one-third of the sentence mean? Are there certain things people have to do to get a third, a half, or a quarter of the sentence? It has gotten to the point where we release people after one-sixth of the sentence. I know; I was a criminal lawyer for 30 years. My clients who had been sentenced to 32 months could not care less, because, 4 months later, they were back out on the street. In our jargon, we call a first sentence a \"bit\", which means that it is not serious.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393290\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would like the National Parole Board to provide us with a study on this issue, which would meet the needs of our friends from Vancouver and probably those of our colleagues opposite. What criteria do you use to establish whether or not a person should be freed? For example, if a person has been sentenced to 40 months in jail, how do you assess whether or not they should be freed?</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1393284\" data-originallang=\"fr\">D'entr\u00e9e de jeu, je remercie nos invit\u00e9s pour leur pr\u00e9sence. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393285\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je ne suis pas d'accord sur la position de Vancouver, qui est une ville magnifique. Que vous nommiez un juge plut\u00f4t qu'un autre parce qu'il promet de donner des peines plus lourdes n'a aucun sens.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393286\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Cela dit, avez-vous d\u00e9j\u00e0 fait une \u00e9tude? J'ai lu votre \u00e9tude qui parle des r\u00e9cidivistes, mais vous \u00eates-vous d\u00e9j\u00e0 attard\u00e9s au service des lib\u00e9rations conditionnelles? Ce n'est pas l'entr\u00e9e en prison qui pose probl\u00e8me, mais la sortie. Avez-vous remarqu\u00e9 que les d\u00e9tenus sortent trop vite, qu'ils ne purgent pas leur peine? Il n'est pas normal qu'un d\u00e9tenu sorte de prison au bout de trois mois alors qu'un juge lui a impos\u00e9 une peine de 22 mois d'emprisonnement. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393287\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Arr\u00eatez de demander des sentences plus lourdes, le probl\u00e8me n'est pas l\u00e0. Arr\u00eatez de demander des directives au juge. Demandez au gouvernement de changer la loi sur la lib\u00e9ration conditionnelle. Les d\u00e9tenus sortent trop vite. Si vous n'admettez pas cela, on part bien mal, surtout pour ce qui est du crime organis\u00e9. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393288\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Les criminels en col blanc ou les leaders sortent de prison. On ne les voit jamais. Ce n'est pas eux qui donnent les coups de batte de baseball; ils chargent quelqu'un d'autre de le faire \u00e0 leur place. Quand ils entrent en prison, ce sont des gentlemen et ils en sortent rapidement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393289\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Madame Sutton, vous allez s\u00fbrement revenir au comit\u00e9. J'aimerais obtenir des d\u00e9tails sur les lib\u00e9rations conditionnelles. Que signifie un tiers de la peine? Doit-on acqu\u00e9rir certaines aptitudes pour pouvoir b\u00e9n\u00e9ficier du tiers, de la moiti\u00e9 ou du quart de la peine? On est arriv\u00e9 \u00e0 un point o\u00f9 on lib\u00e8re n'importe qui apr\u00e8s le sixi\u00e8me de sa peine. Je le sais, j'ai \u00e9t\u00e9 criminaliste pendant 30 ans. Mes clients qui \u00e9taient condamn\u00e9s \u00e0 32 mois d'emprisonnement s'en fichaient, car quatre mois plus tard, ils \u00e9taient sortis. Dans notre jargon, on d\u00e9signe une premi\u00e8re peine par le terme \u00ab <em>bit</em> \u00bb, ce qui signifie que ce n'est pas grave.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1393290\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'aimerais que la Commission nationale des lib\u00e9rations conditionnelles nous pr\u00e9sente une \u00e9tude sur ce sujet, ce qui r\u00e9pondrait \u00e0 nos amis de Vancouver et, probablement, \u00e0 nos amis de l'autre cot\u00e9. Sur quels crit\u00e8res vous fondez-vous pour \u00e9tablir qu'une personne doit \u00eatre remise en libert\u00e9? Par exemple, si un individu doit purger une peine de 40 mois d'emprisonnement, comment allez-vous \u00e9valuer sa remise en libert\u00e9?</p>"
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    "url": "/committees/justice/40-2/11/marc-lemay-1/",
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