Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2006-09-28 17:00:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Daniel Petit (Charlesbourg\u2014Haute-Saint-Charles, CPC)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"185058\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Mr. Chairman.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185059\" data-originallang=\"fr\">My question is addressed to Mr. Pichette, and perhaps to Ms. Gray-Donald. I will come back to Mr. Stewart after that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185060\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I would like to say right off the bat that I am a member of the new Conservative Party and that, although people don't believe it, we do feel compassion for victims. That is the whole reason behind Bill <a data-HoCid=\"2172003\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-9/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (conditional sentence of imprisonment)\">C-9</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185061\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I particularly want to thank Mr. Serge M\u00e9nard, because he was my Minister of Public Safety. He worked on very important issues. I'm sure you remember the gang wars, involving the Hell's Angels. Heaven knows you certainly got more than your share of it in Montreal. I also know that he was very tough in terms of the decisions he made as Minister of Public Safety. The gang war that took place in the Montreal region was linked to the drug trade, and to what is known as territory.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185062\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Although it may not seem violent at first glance, drug trafficking is extremely violent. Drug traffickers create demand among young people. The small joint that is passed around ends up becoming one joint a day, and then one joint an hour. And young people get their supply from organized groups and drug traffickers.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185063\" data-originallang=\"fr\">What crimes do they commit? Well, because they don't have enough money, they start by committing robbery. Then they get involved in breaking and entering. The 65-year old lady who is robbed at home is not amused when that happens. Then comes conjugal violence, because of or the other has spent money. They fight, and you know what happens after that. And there's also prostitution. We were talking about mail theft earlier. Welfare recipients in my province end up having their monthly cheques stolen. These people change their identity in order to be able to cash it at the corner store and then go and buy drugs.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185064\" data-originallang=\"fr\">How do you expect a person who is 65 years of age to protect herself if she lives in the country and, as is very often the case, it's someone with links to her own family? No crime is really minor. It all depends on who the victim is and when the crime is committed.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185065\" data-originallang=\"fr\">I was surprised yesterday to hear it said that 40% of the drugs are entering our prisons. These are people who are locked up and under 24-hour surveillance. And yet 40% of the drugs are entering the prisons. A drug trafficker who has been given a conditional sentence is sitting at home and has nothing better to do than answer the telephone. And with all the electronic and telephone options available today, he could just as easily do that from a bar in the neighbourhood and say that he is at home.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185066\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We have been saddled with a ridiculous system. We're told that a person under surveillance costs $1,742 a year. But have you thought about what is made possible as a result of that money? Ridicule may not be fatal, but almost.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185067\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Something intrigues me here. Two or three days ago, in the Montreal region and elsewhere, at Pierre Elliott Trudeau Airport and other airports, we heard that drug traffickers had threatened employees who are police officers, and that they bribed even the employees responsible for security. This involves all the airports, the one in Toronto, the one in Montreal or those in British Columbia, where there are also ports that have been infiltrated by criminal groups.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185068\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Drugs are streaming into our country and creating all kinds of problems. We practically have to get down on our knees and beg the members of the Opposition to vote in favour of Bill <a data-HoCid=\"2172003\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-9/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (conditional sentence of imprisonment)\">C-9</a>, so that drug traffickers can no longer enjoy the freedom they currently have. I'm wondering whether Bill <a data-HoCid=\"2172003\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-9/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (conditional sentence of imprisonment)\">C-9</a> is not an indirect way... We've seen this, and we could review all the crimes. Each one has its specific pros and cons.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"185058\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185059\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Ma question s'adresse \u00e0 M. Pichette et peut-\u00eatre \u00e0 Mme Gray-Donald. Je reviendrai ensuite \u00e0 M. Stewart.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185060\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'aimerais dire d'embl\u00e9e que je fais partie du nouveau Parti conservateur, et m\u00eame si les gens ne le croient pas, nous avons quand m\u00eame de la compassion pour les victimes. C'est la raison d'\u00eatre du projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"2172003\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-9/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (conditional sentence of imprisonment)\">C-9</a>.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185061\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Je remercie M. Serge M\u00e9nard en particulier, parce qu'il a \u00e9t\u00e9 mon ministre de la S\u00e9curit\u00e9 publique. Il a travaill\u00e9 dans des dossiers extr\u00eamement importants. Vous vous souvenez de la guerre des gangs, des Hell's Angels. Dieu sait qu'\u00e0 Montr\u00e9al, vous y avez go\u00fbt\u00e9. Je sais qu'il a \u00e9t\u00e9 extr\u00eamement s\u00e9v\u00e8re dans toutes les d\u00e9cisions qu'il a prises comme ministre de la S\u00e9curit\u00e9 publique. La guerre des gangs qui a eu lieu dans la r\u00e9gion de Montr\u00e9al \u00e9tait reli\u00e9e au commerce de la drogue, \u00e0 ce qu'on appelle les territoires. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185062\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Le trafic de drogue, m\u00eame s'il ne para\u00eet pas violent \u00e0 premi\u00e8re vue, est d'une extr\u00eame violence. Les trafiquants de drogue cr\u00e9ent une demande chez de jeunes personnes. Le petit joint qu'on se passe finira par devenir un joint par jour, puis un joint \u00e0 l'heure. Ces jeunes gens vont aller s'approvisionner aupr\u00e8s du groupe organis\u00e9, des trafiquants de drogue. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185063\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Quels crimes vont-ils commettre? Comme ils n'ont pas assez d'argent, ils vont commencer par faire des vols. Ils vont ensuite commettre des vols par effraction dans nos r\u00e9sidences. La petite dame de 65 ans qui se fait voler chez elle ne trouve pas \u00e7a dr\u00f4le du tout. Vient ensuite la violence conjugale, car monsieur ou madame a d\u00e9pens\u00e9. Ils se battent entre eux, et vous connaissez la suite. Il va y avoir de la prostitution aussi. On parlait tout \u00e0 l'heure du vol de courrier. Les assist\u00e9s sociaux de ma province vont se faire voler leur ch\u00e8que mensuel. Ils vont changer d'identit\u00e9 afin de l'encaisser au d\u00e9panneur pour ensuite pouvoir acheter leur drogue. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185064\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Comment voulez-vous qu'une personne \u00e2g\u00e9e de 65 ans se prot\u00e8ge si elle vit \u00e0 la campagne et que, comme c'est le cas bien souvent, il s'agit de quelqu'un qui est reli\u00e9 \u00e0 sa famille? Aucun crime n'est minime. Tout d\u00e9pend de qui en est la victime et du moment o\u00f9 il est perp\u00e9tr\u00e9. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185065\" data-originallang=\"fr\">J'ai \u00e9t\u00e9 surpris hier d'entendre dire que 40 p. 100 des drogues entraient dans les prisons. Les prisonniers sont enferm\u00e9s et ils sont surveill\u00e9s 24 heures sur 24. Pourtant, 40 p. 100 des drogues y entrent. Un trafiquant de drogue \u00e0 qui on aurait donn\u00e9 un sursis de sentence serait chez lui et n'aurait rien de plus \u00e0 faire que de r\u00e9pondre au t\u00e9l\u00e9phone. Or, avec les moyens \u00e9lectroniques et t\u00e9l\u00e9phoniques d'aujourd'hui, il pourrait aussi bien r\u00e9pondre \u00e0 partir d'un bar voisin et dire qu'il est chez lui. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185066\" data-originallang=\"fr\">On nous a donn\u00e9 un syst\u00e8me ridicule. On nous a dit qu'une personne surveill\u00e9e co\u00fbtait 1 742 $ annuellement. Avez-vous pens\u00e9 \u00e0 ce que cette somme permet de faire? Le ridicule ne tue pas, mais il n'en est pas loin. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185067\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Quelque chose m'intrigue. Il y a deux ou trois jours, dans la r\u00e9gion de Montr\u00e9al et ailleurs, \u00e0 l'a\u00e9roport Pierre-Elliott-Trudeau et aux autres a\u00e9roports, on a mentionn\u00e9 que les trafiquants de drogue mena\u00e7aient les employ\u00e9s, qui sont des policiers, et qu'ils soudoyaient m\u00eame les employ\u00e9s responsables de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9. Il s'agit de tous les a\u00e9roports, autant celui de Toronto que celui de Montr\u00e9al ou ceux de la Colombie-Britannique, o\u00f9 on trouve \u00e9galement des ports domin\u00e9s par des groupes criminalis\u00e9s.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"185068\" data-originallang=\"fr\">La drogue n'arr\u00eate pas d'entrer et de cr\u00e9er tous les probl\u00e8mes actuels. On doit quasiment supplier \u00e0 genoux les d\u00e9put\u00e9s de l'opposition pour qu'ils adoptent le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"2172003\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-9/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (conditional sentence of imprisonment)\">C-9</a> afin que les trafiquants de drogue n'aient plus la libert\u00e9 qu'ils ont pr\u00e9sentement. Je vous demande si le projet de loi <a data-HoCid=\"2172003\" href=\"/bills/39-1/C-9/\" title=\"An Act to amend the Criminal Code (conditional sentence of imprisonment)\">C-9</a> n'est pas un moyen indirect... On l'a vu, on pourrait passer en revue tous les crimes. Chacun a ses qualit\u00e9s et ses d\u00e9fauts.</p>"
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