Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2023-10-24 16:55:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. David Fraser",
        "fr": "M. David Fraser"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7994465\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Certainly I agree that it's two different models. We also have, for example, a human rights commission and a human rights tribunal, a competition commissioner and a competition tribunal. There are other scenarios in Canada in which that particular model is applicable. There is the possibility for conflicts, and one would have to have controls and procedural safeguards within the Office of the Privacy Commissioner of Canada to make sure that those conflicts did not arise.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7994466\" data-originallang=\"en\">Given the stakes that this legislation presents, with multi-million-dollar penalties, even multi-billion-dollar penalties when you look at percentage of a company's global turnover, it raises the requirement for additional procedural safeguards. You can think of it as a scenario in which a police officer can write a ticket, and you could pay the ticket and plead guilty and go on your way, or you can dispute it, and the police officer has the burden of proving in front of an impartial decision-maker whether or not the facts alleged in that ticket are borne out. That would be the model that I would advocate.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7994467\" data-originallang=\"en\">Otherwise, maybe we can split the difference, and when it comes to anything that has a significant penalty over a certain threshold, it would require those additional safeguards. Those are going to be important. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7994468\" data-originallang=\"en\">I would also note that we're seeing more and more multi-jurisdictional investigations taking place simultaneously, so organizations are going to be subject to multiple penalties in multiple places arising from the exact same investigation. The fine threshold in Quebec is similar to the fine threshold here. You could find those to be doubly levelled, which again, at least to me, raises the stakes higher.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7994465\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suis d'accord qu'il s'agit de deux mod\u00e8les diff\u00e9rents. Nous avons aussi la Commission des droits de la personne, le Tribunal des droits de la personne, le commissaire de la concurrence et le Tribunal de la concurrence. Il y a d'autres exemples au Canada o\u00f9 ce mod\u00e8le s'applique. Il peut toujours y avoir des conflits, cependant, et il faut que le Commissariat \u00e0 la protection de la vie priv\u00e9e du Canada ait des mesures de contr\u00f4le et des garanties proc\u00e9durales pour pr\u00e9venir les conflits.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7994466\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u00c9tant donn\u00e9 l'enjeu que le projet de loi pr\u00e9sente et les amendes de millions et m\u00eame de milliards de dollars qu'il pr\u00e9voit, selon le pourcentage des revenus mondiaux d'une entreprise, ce projet de loi exige des protections proc\u00e9durales suppl\u00e9mentaires. Imaginez qu'un policier vous remette une contravention. Vous pouvez la payer en plaidant coupable ou vous pouvez la contester. Le policier a le fardeau de prouver devant un tribunal impartial que les faits all\u00e9gu\u00e9s justifiaient la contravention. C'est le mod\u00e8le que je pr\u00e9coniserais.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7994467\" data-originallang=\"en\">Sinon, nous pourrions couper la poire en deux, de sorte que lorsqu'une p\u00e9nalit\u00e9 allant au\u2011del\u00e0 d'un certain seuil s'impose, des protections additionnelles s'appliquent; celles\u2011ci seront importantes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7994468\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je vous ferais remarquer \u00e9galement qu'il y a de plus en plus d'enqu\u00eates men\u00e9es par diverses administrations en m\u00eame temps. Les organisations s'exposent donc \u00e0 de multiples p\u00e9nalit\u00e9s \u00e0 divers endroits \u00e0 l'issue de la m\u00eame enqu\u00eate. Les amendes pr\u00e9vues au Qu\u00e9bec ressemblent \u00e0 celles pr\u00e9vues ici. Deux p\u00e9nalit\u00e9s pourraient donc \u00eatre impos\u00e9es simultan\u00e9ment, ce qui rend l'enjeu d'autant plus grand, selon moi, \u00e0 tout le moins.</p>"
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    "url": "/committees/industry/44-1/91/david-fraser-7/",
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