Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2024-05-29 17:25:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Ryan Turnbull",
        "fr": "M. Ryan Turnbull"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8447893\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thanks. I appreciate that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8447894\" data-originallang=\"en\">It sounds as though it might be more along the lines of the Social Security Tribunal that you were mentioning. Certainly those follow-on processes through the court system would have a very extended time period. I understand that, because the only recourse after the tribunal would hear an appeal would be a judicial review, which is very different from the other path, as we were discussing, through the court system. That's interesting. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8447895\" data-originallang=\"en\">I think you were implying\u2014and I just want to maybe get you to draw this point out a little bit further\u2014that the OPC's new powers, which include the ability to impose the monetary penalties that are being proposed in this legislation, are really significant because they include the power to form compliance agreements and others. Significant power will be vested in the OPC as is contemplated in this bill. That is all the more reason perhaps to have a tribunal, given the principles of natural justice that having that investigative and adjudicative function in one office-holder or one person, the OPC, would perhaps be perceived as having too much of a concentration of power with no check or balance to that power.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8447896\" data-originallang=\"en\">That to me is what you said. I'm putting it in my own words, but would you like to maybe just clarify whether that's actually what you meant to say and whether or not I'm misinterpreting? I think that's what I heard you say, that the new powers vested in the OPC, which are above and beyond what perhaps other commissioners have, with the significance of the penalties, etc., justify having a sort of check and balance built into the system to ensure that natural justice can be preserved. </p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8447893\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci. Je comprends.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8447894\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cela ressemble davantage au Tribunal de la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 sociale dont vous parliez. Il est certain que ces proc\u00e9dures de suivi dans le syst\u00e8me judiciaire s'\u00e9tendraient sur une p\u00e9riode tr\u00e8s longue. Je comprends cela, car le seul recours apr\u00e8s que le tribunal entendra un appel serait un contr\u00f4le judiciaire, ce qui est tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rent de l'autre option, comme nous en parlions, par l'entremise du syst\u00e8me judiciaire. C'est int\u00e9ressant. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8447895\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je pense que vous laissiez entendre \u2014 et je voudrais juste que vous poursuiviez un peu plus sur ce point \u2014 que les nouveaux pouvoirs du Commissariat, qui incluent la capacit\u00e9 d'imposer les sanctions p\u00e9cuniaires propos\u00e9es dans le projet de loi, sont vraiment importants, car ils incluent le pouvoir de conclure des accords de conformit\u00e9, entre autres. Des pouvoirs importants seront conf\u00e9r\u00e9s au Commissariat, comme le pr\u00e9voit le projet de loi. C'est peut-\u00eatre une raison de plus pour cr\u00e9er un tribunal, compte tenu des principes de justice naturelle selon lesquels le fait de confier cette fonction d'enqu\u00eate et judiciaire ou quasi judiciaire \u00e0 un seul titulaire d'une charge ou \u00e0 une seule personne, le commissaire, serait peut-\u00eatre per\u00e7u comme une trop grande concentration de pouvoir, sans freins ni contrepoids \u00e0 ce pouvoir. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8447896\" data-originallang=\"en\">C'est ce que je comprends de vos propos. Je l'exprime dans mes propres mots, mais voudriez-vous peut-\u00eatre simplement pr\u00e9ciser si c'est r\u00e9ellement ce que vous vouliez dire ou si j'interpr\u00e8te mal? Je pense que c'est ce que je vous ai entendu dire, soit que les nouveaux pouvoirs conf\u00e9r\u00e9s au Commissariat, qui vont au\u2011del\u00e0 de ceux dont disposent peut-\u00eatre d'autres commissaires\u2014 avec l'importance des sanctions, et ainsi de suite \u2014 justifient que le syst\u00e8me inclue des freins et des contrepoids pour veiller \u00e0 pr\u00e9server la justice naturelle. </p>"
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