Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2024-11-26 10:55:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. S\u00e9bastien Lemire (Abitibi\u2014T\u00e9miscamingue, BQ)",
        "fr": "M. S\u00e9bastien Lemire (Abitibi\u2014T\u00e9miscamingue, BQ)"
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"8747889\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747890\" data-originallang=\"fr\">As you can see, the new BQ\u201120 essentially seeks to integrate amendments BQ\u201121, BQ\u201122, BQ\u201123, BQ\u201124, BQ\u201125 and BQ\u201126, so we could save a lot of time if I had my colleagues' consent to adopt this amendment. Still, I think it's important for me to present my arguments to you.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747891\" data-originallang=\"fr\">If this amendment is adopted, we'll drop the others I just listed. If not, we'll do them one at a time. The fact remains that we think it was possible to group them together in a single amendment.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747892\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Essentially, we have to obtain certain information when consultations seem important, and the department can decide whether to take them into account. Since this information is considered important by first nations, in this case the Assembly of First Nations and the groups that came to testify, financial organizations, as well as reports from the Office of the Parliamentary Budget Officer, we propose to take it into account during the minister's consultations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747893\" data-originallang=\"fr\">BQ\u201121 dealt with repairs and replacements. The systems in place are at different points in their useful life, and that aspect seems fundamental for replacement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747894\" data-originallang=\"fr\">BQ\u201122 was talking about legal fees arising from day-to-day operations relating to the exercise of jurisdiction over water. We all agree that the legal aspect weighs heavily with first nations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747895\" data-originallang=\"fr\">BQ\u201123 dealt with remoteness costs. This is a concept that has been talked about as well. In fact, the Parliamentary Budget Officer said that the government doesn't take these factors into account when it comes to distortions. I'll give you an example. In Abitibi-T\u00e9miscamingue, construction costs are 30% higher than in southern Quebec. I can't even imagine how much higher the costs are for a first nation that isn't connected to other regions by road.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747896\" data-originallang=\"fr\">BQ\u201124 dealt with insurance costs for existing systems. Standards are increasingly being imposed on every building element, and that means huge insurance costs. It's even more true for first nations, and very few insurers want to go there, so there are additional costs.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747897\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The same is true of the risk analysis attributed to first nations by their insurers, which was mentioned in BQ\u201125. There are often persistent biases when it comes to first nations, and all of that generates costs that should be taken into account.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747898\" data-originallang=\"fr\">The purpose of BQ\u201126 was to collect data on the gaps in the standards applicable to water services received by individuals, whereas the standards are the highest for non-indigenous people, compared to individuals from first nations. So there is an attempt here to create greater equity between ordinary Canadians, if you will, and first nations people.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747899\" data-originallang=\"fr\">We propose that all of these proposals be grouped into a single amendment. If that doesn't work, we'll do them separately. The fact remains that, in our opinion, it's essential to integrate each of these elements.</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"8747889\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747890\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Comme vous le voyez, le nouvel amendement BQ\u201120 vise essentiellement \u00e0 int\u00e9grer les amendements BQ\u201121, BQ\u201122, BQ\u201123, BQ\u201124, BQ\u201125 et BQ\u201126. Nous pourrions donc \u00e9conomiser beaucoup de temps si j'avais l'assentiment de mes coll\u00e8gues pour adopter cet amendement. N\u00e9anmoins, je pense qu'il est important que je vous pr\u00e9sente mes arguments.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747891\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Si jamais cet amendement est adopt\u00e9, nous laisserons tomber les autres que je viens d'\u00e9num\u00e9rer. Sinon, nous allons les pr\u00e9senter un \u00e0 un. Il reste que, selon nous, il \u00e9tait possible de les r\u00e9unir en un seul amendement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747892\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Essentiellement, on doit obtenir certaines informations lorsque les consultations apparaissent importantes, et le minist\u00e8re pourra d\u00e9cider s'il en tient compte ou pas. Comme ces informations sont jug\u00e9es importantes par les Premi\u00e8res Nations, en l'occurrence l'Assembl\u00e9e des Premi\u00e8res Nations et les groupes qui sont venus t\u00e9moigner, par des organismes financiers ainsi que par des rapports du Bureau du directeur parlementaire du budget, nous proposons d'en tenir compte lors des consultations du ministre.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747893\" data-originallang=\"fr\">L'amendement BQ\u201121 traitait de r\u00e9paration et de remplacement. Les syst\u00e8mes en place sont \u00e0 diff\u00e9rents moments de leur vie utile, et cet aspect appara\u00eet fondamental pour le remplacement.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747894\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Dans l'amendement BQ\u201122, on parlait des frais juridiques d\u00e9coulant des affaires courantes en lien avec l'exercice des comp\u00e9tences en mati\u00e8re d'eau. On s'entend pour dire que l'aspect juridique p\u00e8se tr\u00e8s lourd chez les Premi\u00e8res Nations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747895\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Dans l'amendement BQ\u201123, il \u00e9tait question des co\u00fbts d'\u00e9loignement. C'est un concept dont on a parl\u00e9 \u00e9galement. D'ailleurs, le directeur parlementaire du budget a dit que le gouvernement n'en tenait pas compte dans les causes de distorsion. Je vais donner un exemple. En Abitibi\u2011T\u00e9miscamingue, les co\u00fbts de construction sont 30 % plus \u00e9lev\u00e9s que dans le sud du Qu\u00e9bec. Je n'imagine m\u00eame pas \u00e0 quel point les co\u00fbts sont plus \u00e9lev\u00e9s pour une Premi\u00e8re Nation qui n'est pas reli\u00e9e aux autres r\u00e9gions par une route.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747896\" data-originallang=\"fr\">L'amendement BQ\u201124 avait trait aux co\u00fbts relatifs aux assurances pour les syst\u00e8mes en place. On impose de plus en plus de normes pour chaque \u00e9l\u00e9ment de construction et cela repr\u00e9sente des co\u00fbts faramineux en assurances. C'est encore plus vrai chez les Premi\u00e8res Nations, et tr\u00e8s peu d'assureurs veulent aller de ce c\u00f4t\u00e9. Ce sont donc des co\u00fbts suppl\u00e9mentaires.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747897\" data-originallang=\"fr\">C'est la m\u00eame chose en ce qui concerne l'analyse des risques attribu\u00e9s aux Premi\u00e8res Nations par leurs assureurs, dont il \u00e9tait question dans l'amendement BQ\u201125. Il y a souvent des pr\u00e9jug\u00e9s tenaces lorsqu'il est question des Premi\u00e8res Nations et tout cela engendre des co\u00fbts dont il faudrait tenir compte.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747898\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Dans l'amendement BQ\u201126, il \u00e9tait question de recueillir des donn\u00e9es sur les \u00e9carts en mati\u00e8re de normes applicables aux services relatifs \u00e0 l'eau que re\u00e7oivent les individus, alors que les normes sont les plus \u00e9lev\u00e9es pour les non-Autochtones, comparativement aux individus issus des Premi\u00e8res Nations. Il y a donc l\u00e0 une tentative pour instaurer une plus grande \u00e9quit\u00e9 entre les Canadiens ordinaires, si vous me permettez l'expression, et les gens des Premi\u00e8res Nations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"8747899\" data-originallang=\"fr\">Nous proposons que toutes ces propositions soient r\u00e9unies en un seul amendement. Si cela ne fonctionne pas, nous les pr\u00e9senterons s\u00e9par\u00e9ment. Il reste que, selon nous, il est fondamental d'int\u00e9grer chacun de ces \u00e9l\u00e9ments.</p>"
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