Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2010-03-24 17:00:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Hon. Maria Minna (Beaches\u2014East York, Lib.)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1845978\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Madam Chair. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845979\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you to both of you for being here. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845980\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I have to correct Senator Segal's comment about housing. There were cuts, but there was also major reinvestment, as you very well know. The now renamed SCPI program was started by us at the time. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845981\" data-originallang=\"en\">To me, a national housing strategy--I'm glad you used the term, actually--doesn't mean a one-size-fits-all. It means a partnership across the spectrum. It means, I would hope, various models from rental to ownership, delivered through partnerships with municipalities, just as the homelessness program is delivered. And the not-for-profit...and the co-op program, which is cooperative, is one of the best housing programs in the country, in fact. I have some fabulous housing in my riding that deals with that.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845982\" data-originallang=\"en\">Housing was one of the things I was going to look at. For me, there are four or five things that really go to the core of poverty. Housing is one of them, obviously, and housing also goes to the core of health and education. In fact, Ontario is doing a study now on the correlation between health determinants and the housing situation. I'm sure they'll find a connection.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845983\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Early education and child care for children, income support for families, education, and training are the four or five things we need to work at. The money is there, but there are areas.... </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845984\" data-originallang=\"en\">You mentioned that some programs are not working really well. We're spending $150 billion, but some are not hitting the mark. Maybe, as we look at the annual basic income and other things, we have to collapse others and rationalize and look at them.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845985\" data-originallang=\"en\">I wonder if you looked at some programs to see whether or not they are effective. The child care tax credit is not refundable and therefore only certain families can access it. If you have money, you do; if you don't, the $1,200 child benefit, again, does not provide.... It's probably a bit more money. It doesn't make you rich and it doesn't give you child care. It gives you neither one nor the other, and it doesn't help women. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845986\" data-originallang=\"en\">We spend a tremendous amount on RRSPs. I think it costs the treasury $16 billion or $17 billion, but the average Canadian really doesn't benefit from the RRSP. In terms of a pension structure we know it doesn't really work to address poverty for seniors for the long term. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845987\" data-originallang=\"en\">There are things like that. I wondered if you looked at the tax expenditure side of things. Did you take it apart a bit? Did you do some analysis to see where we could rationalize change?</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1845978\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, madame la pr\u00e9sidente.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845979\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci \u00e0 vous deux pour votre pr\u00e9sence parmi nous.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845980\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je me vois oblig\u00e9e d\u2019apporter un correctif aux observations du s\u00e9nateur Segal au sujet du logement. On avait effectivement fait des coupures, mais aussi un important r\u00e9investissement, comme vous le savez pertinemment. C\u2019est \u00e0 cette \u00e9poque que nous avons lanc\u00e9 l'Initiative de partenariats en action communautaire, ou IPAC, qui porte aujourd\u2019hui un nouveau nom.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845981\" data-originallang=\"en\">En ce qui me concerne, une strat\u00e9gie de logement nationale \u2014 en fait, je suis contente que vous ayez utilis\u00e9 l\u2019expression \u2014 ne revient pas \u00e0 imposer un moule unique. Elle consiste en un partenariat sur toute la ligne. Elle consiste, je l\u2019esp\u00e8re bien, en diff\u00e9rents mod\u00e8les, depuis la location jusqu\u2019\u00e0 la propri\u00e9t\u00e9, appliqu\u00e9s au moyen de partenariats avec les municipalit\u00e9s, tout comme le programme d\u2019itin\u00e9rance. Sans compter le programme sans but lucratif... et le programme d\u2019habitation coop\u00e9rative, en fait l\u2019un des meilleurs programmes de logement au pays. Ma circonscription contient d\u2019excellents logements, qui rel\u00e8vent de ce programme.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845982\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le logement \u00e9tait l\u2019un des \u00e9l\u00e9ments que j\u2019allais analyser. Selon moi, quatre ou cinq choses sont au c\u0153ur m\u00eame de la pauvret\u00e9. Le logement en est une composante, il va sans dire, et le logement est aussi capital pour la sant\u00e9 et l\u2019\u00e9ducation. En fait, l\u2019Ontario est engag\u00e9e dans une \u00e9tude de la corr\u00e9lation entre d\u00e9terminants de la sant\u00e9 et logement. Je suis convaincue qu\u2019un lien sera \u00e9tabli.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845983\" data-originallang=\"en\">Les quatre ou cinq choses dont nous devons nous occuper sont l\u2019\u00e9ducation de la petite enfance et les soins de l\u2019enfant, le soutien au revenu des familles, l\u2019\u00e9ducation et la formation. Les fonds sont disponibles, mais dans certains domaines...</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845984\" data-originallang=\"en\">Vous dites que certains programmes ne donnent pas de tr\u00e8s bons r\u00e9sultats. Nous d\u00e9pensons 150 milliards de dollars, mais certains ne touchent pas le but vis\u00e9. Tandis que nous examinons le revenu annuel de base et d\u2019autres \u00e9l\u00e9ments, nous devrions peut-\u00eatre comprimer d\u2019autres programmes, les rationaliser et bien les \u00e9tudier.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845985\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je me demande si vous avez examin\u00e9 certains programmes sous l\u2019angle de leur efficacit\u00e9. Le cr\u00e9dit d'imp\u00f4t pour la garde d'enfants n\u2019est pas remboursable, c'est-\u00e0-dire que seules certaines familles peuvent y avoir acc\u00e8s. Vous le pouvez si vous avez de l\u2019argent; si vous n\u2019en avez pas, les 1 200 $ de la prestation pour enfants, ici encore, ne fournissent pas... C\u2019est probablement un peu plus que ce montant. Elle ne vous rend pas riche et elle n\u2019assure pas la garde d\u2019enfants. Elle ne fait donc ni l\u2019un, ni l\u2019autre, et elle n\u2019aide pas les femmes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845986\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous d\u00e9pensons des sommes immenses pour les REER \u2014 je crois qu\u2019ils co\u00fbtent 16 ou 17 milliards de dollars au Tr\u00e9sor \u2014, mais le Canadien moyen n\u2019en tire pas vraiment avantage. Nous savons par exemple que c\u2019est une structure de pension qui ne r\u00e8gle pas \u00e0 long terme le probl\u00e8me de la pauvret\u00e9 des a\u00een\u00e9s.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1845987\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il existe des choses de ce genre. Je me demande si vous avez examin\u00e9 les programmes sous l\u2019angle des d\u00e9penses fiscales. Les avez-vous un peu d\u00e9cortiqu\u00e9s? Avez-vous fait une analyse pour d\u00e9terminer o\u00f9 il \u00e9tait possible de rationaliser le changement?</p>"
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