Speech (committee meeting)

{
    "time": "2009-12-08 16:15:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Brian Jean",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1784047\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Amazing. That's good. I'm glad, because it makes it less difficult to explain myself. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784048\" data-originallang=\"en\">If you're suggesting constitutionally that it might infringe upon provincial constitutional rights in the case of Quebec, then it certainly does so in the case of all the other provinces. We are governed by the same Constitution, at least the Constitution that I recognize. So I would suggest that if indeed your argument has weight, then it does in fact violate the jurisdiction of all provinces, and they all have the right to opt out and to deal with it accordingly. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784049\" data-originallang=\"en\">Your argument is with respect to social programs and to the housing program that Quebec has as being different. I'm sure it is much different. But I come from the most socialist province in all of the country. Alberta spends more on social programs, per capita, than any other province, as far as I'm aware, so I would suggest that this would be the most socialist province. Certainly that's what's explained by most right-wing parties in Alberta. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784050\" data-originallang=\"en\">Saying that, I also have another observation that I'd like to make. I have two francophone communities in my riding, Plamondon and Lac La Biche. In fact there are some other ones that have been settled by francophones. I would be certain that those people would like to take advantage of the same social programming structure for housing that the people in Quebec would. At least, that's their ancestry, so to preclude them from that position would in fact not do them any justice.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784051\" data-originallang=\"en\">Further, about 20% to 23% of my riding is aboriginal, and they have social programs. I would suggest that possibly the per capita housing in my particular constituency would be very high as far as that kind of social programming goes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784052\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I just want to make you aware that if this is a national strategy for housing, and the Government of Canada is obviously the national body that would govern that, I would suggest that Mr. Komarnicki is correct in his assertion that if you opt out by one province, then it all of a sudden becomes a non-national program, which is obviously beyond the scope of the bill. That is what I would like to say.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784053\" data-originallang=\"en\"> I would like to hear from Monsieur Lessard in relation to those comments, because the Constitution argument is, I think--</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1784047\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Fantastique. C'est bien. Je suis heureux, car je pourrai m'expliquer plus facilement. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784048\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si vous avancez que, sur le plan constitutionnel, la loi pourrait empi\u00e9ter sur des droits constitutionnels provinciaux, dans le cas du Qu\u00e9bec, alors il en va certainement de m\u00eame dans toutes les autres provinces. Nous sommes r\u00e9gis par la m\u00eame Constitution, \u00e0 tout le moins, la Constitution que je reconnais. Alors, j'avancerais que, si votre argument est effectivement fond\u00e9, l'amendement empi\u00e8te sur la comp\u00e9tence de toutes les provinces, et elles ont le droit de ne pas adh\u00e9rer \u00e0 la loi ou de prendre des mesures \u00e0 l'avenant. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784049\" data-originallang=\"en\">Votre argument tient au fait que les programmes sociaux et le programme de logement en vigueur au Qu\u00e9bec sont diff\u00e9rents. Je suis certain qu'ils sont tr\u00e8s diff\u00e9rents. Mais, je viens de la province la plus socialiste de tout le pays. L'Alberta d\u00e9pense davantage en programmes sociaux, par habitant, que toute autre province, autant que je sache, alors j'avance qu'il s'agit de la province la plus socialiste. \u00c0 tout le moins, c'est ce qu'expliquent la plupart des partis de droite en Alberta. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784050\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cela dit, j'aimerais aussi faire une autre observation. Ma circonscription englobe deux collectivit\u00e9s francophones, Plamondon et Lac La Biche. \u00c0 vrai dire, des francophones ont aussi fond\u00e9 d'autres collectivit\u00e9s. Je suis certain que ces gens aimeraient profiter de la m\u00eame structure de programmes sociaux qui visent le logement que les gens du Qu\u00e9bec. \u00c0 tout le moins, ils partagent les m\u00eames anc\u00eatres, alors, les emp\u00eacher de profiter de cette situation serait, \u00e0 vrai dire, injuste. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784051\" data-originallang=\"en\">En outre, une proportion de 20 \u00e0 23 p. 100, environ, de ma circonscription, est autochtone, et ces gens profitent de programmes sociaux. J'avancerais que, dans ma circonscription particuli\u00e8re, le logement par habitant est peut-\u00eatre tr\u00e8s \u00e9lev\u00e9 dans le cadre de programmes sociaux de ce type. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784052\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais simplement vous faire remarquer que, si nous parlons d'une strat\u00e9gie nationale pour le logement \u2014 et c'est \u00e9videmment le gouvernement du Canada qui serait responsable de le gouverner \u2014, j'estime que l'argument de M. Komarnicki est correct, car, si une province se retire, tout d'un coup, il ne s'agit plus d'un programme national, ce qui, de toute \u00e9vidence, va au-del\u00e0 de la port\u00e9e du projet de loi. Voil\u00e0 ce que je voulais dire. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1784053\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'aimerais avoir l'avis de M. Lessard sur ces commentaires, car l'argument de la Constitution, \u00e0 mon avis, est...</p>"
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