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{
"time": "2022-07-15 10:05:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Robert Oliphant (Don Valley West, Lib.)",
"fr": "L\u2019hon. Robert Oliphant (Don Valley-Ouest, Lib.)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"7278567\" data-originallang=\"en\">Thank you, Mr. Chair.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278568\" data-originallang=\"en\">First of all, happy summer to everybody. I hope that people have a bit of time for recreation as the summer continues.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278569\" data-originallang=\"en\">I want to thank both opposition parties that have presented motions on this. I will say from the outset that the government side, the Liberal members, will be supporting having the special hearing or hearings, as decided by the committee, on the decision made by the government to grant a permit to ship and return the repaired turbines, which are being repaired in Montreal by Siemens, to Germany to ensure that it has energy security through the fall, especially as the weather changes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278570\" data-originallang=\"en\">My understanding is that this decision was not taken lightly and was taken with much conversation. I think it would be appropriate for members of Parliament to be briefed on how the decision was made and what its implications and ramifications are.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278571\" data-originallang=\"en\">I begin by stating that we are in agreement with this. We think it's an appropriate use of parliamentary resources, including our human resources as parliamentarians. We think it is appropriate for government officials, particularly the ministers responsible for making this decision, to be called upon to appear before the committee to explain it. We think it is all appropriate and that the Canadian public, through us, has absolutely both the right and responsibility to hear this.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278572\" data-originallang=\"en\">With respect to the motion that's on the floor, I'm going to suggest a few amendments that I think we could use to promote the work.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278573\" data-originallang=\"en\">First of all, as I said, I think the motion is appropriate. However, I have a concern that five meetings are not needed for this process. I think there are two different issues at stake. One is a review of our sanctions. Particularly in this case the sanctions are unprecedented. Some 1,400\u2014the last number I had was 1,400; it may be 1,500 now\u2014have been levelled against the Putin regime, the Belarusian regime and others in support of the illegal war and invasion against Ukraine. I think it's absolutely appropriate that we do a review of that. There will be a statutory review required shortly with respect to the sanctions regime itself. As you know, we have regimes under three different pieces of legislation.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278574\" data-originallang=\"en\">I think those two activities\u2014a review of the effectiveness of our current sanctions, which are being done in concert with our allies around the world and on a personal level, is an appropriate piece of work to be doing, as is the requirement we will face fairly shortly to do a statutory review of the sanction regimes and the three pieces of legislation that we deal with in that regard. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278575\" data-originallang=\"en\">However, with respect to the decision of the government to issue a permit to allow for time-limited return of repaired turbines to Germany to allow it to have energy, I don't think we need to have five meetings. Therefore, I would first move, that, after the semicolon in Ms. McPherson's motion, we strike the line \u201cthat this study consists of no fewer than 5 meetings\u201d and allow that to be determined at a later date. We would have one meeting with the ministers, as requested, but then we'd determine whether we need more meetings in the future.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278576\" data-originallang=\"en\">I hope we can get to that point. It's the summer, not that this should affect us completely, but I think we can get the points we need made as to why exactly the government made this decision and what its ramifications are from one\u2014</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"7278567\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278568\" data-originallang=\"en\">Tout d'abord, je souhaite un bon \u00e9t\u00e9 \u00e0 tout le monde. J'esp\u00e8re que les gens ont un peu de temps \u00e0 consacrer \u00e0 leurs loisirs pendant la saison estivale.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278569\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je veux remercier les deux partis de l'opposition qui ont pr\u00e9sent\u00e9 des motions \u00e0 ce sujet. Je vais dire d'embl\u00e9e que du c\u00f4t\u00e9 minist\u00e9riel, les d\u00e9put\u00e9s lib\u00e9raux vont appuyer la tenue d'une ou plusieurs audiences sp\u00e9ciales, selon la volont\u00e9 du Comit\u00e9, sur la d\u00e9cision rendue par le gouvernement d'accorder un permis pour exp\u00e9dier et renvoyer en Allemagne les turbines r\u00e9par\u00e9es, par Siemens \u00e0 Montr\u00e9al, afin d'assurer la s\u00e9curit\u00e9 \u00e9nerg\u00e9tique du pays pendant l'automne, surtout lorsque les conditions m\u00e9t\u00e9orologiques changeront.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278570\" data-originallang=\"en\">\u00c0 ma connaissance, cette d\u00e9cision n'a pas \u00e9t\u00e9 prise \u00e0 la l\u00e9g\u00e8re et a fait l'objet de nombreux \u00e9changes. Je pense qu'il serait appropri\u00e9 d'informer les d\u00e9put\u00e9s sur la fa\u00e7on dont elle a \u00e9t\u00e9 rendue ainsi que sur ses r\u00e9percussions et ses ramifications.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278571\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je commence par dire que nous sommes d'accord l\u00e0\u2011dessus. Nous pensons que c'est une utilisation appropri\u00e9e des ressources parlementaires, y compris de nos ressources humaines en tant que parlementaires. Nous pensons qu'il est appropri\u00e9 que des repr\u00e9sentants du gouvernement, en particulier les ministres qui \u00e9taient charg\u00e9s de prendre cette d\u00e9cision, soient appel\u00e9s \u00e0 compara\u00eetre devant le Comit\u00e9 pour nous l'expliquer. Nous pensons que c'est tout \u00e0 fait indiqu\u00e9 et que la population canadienne, par notre entremise, a absolument le droit et la responsabilit\u00e9 d'entendre ces d\u00e9lib\u00e9rations.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278572\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pour ce qui est de la motion dont nous sommes saisis, je vais proposer quelques amendements que nous pourrions utiliser selon moi pour promouvoir le travail.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278573\" data-originallang=\"en\">Tout d'abord, comme je l'ai dit, je pense que la motion est appropri\u00e9e. Cependant, je ne pense pas que cinq r\u00e9unions soient n\u00e9cessaires \u00e0 cette fin. Je pense qu'il y a deux enjeux diff\u00e9rents. Le premier est un examen de nos sanctions, notamment dans ce cas\u2011ci o\u00f9 elles sont sans pr\u00e9c\u00e9dent. Quelque 1 400 sanctions \u2014 c'est le dernier chiffre que j'ai vu; il y a en a peut-\u00eatre 1 500 maintenant \u2014 ont \u00e9t\u00e9 prises contre le r\u00e9gime de Poutine, le r\u00e9gime b\u00e9larusse et d'autres personnes qui appuient la guerre ill\u00e9gale de l'Ukraine et l'invasion du pays. Je crois qu'il est tout \u00e0 fait convenable d'examiner ces sanctions. Il y aura bient\u00f4t un examen obligatoire pr\u00e9vu par la loi du r\u00e9gime de sanctions proprement dit. Comme vous le savez, nous avons mis sur pied des r\u00e9gimes \u00e0 l'aide de trois mesures l\u00e9gislatives distinctes.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278574\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je pense qu'il convient de faire les deux, dont un examen de l'efficacit\u00e9 de nos sanctions actuelles, effectu\u00e9 de concert avec nos alli\u00e9s du monde entier et \u00e0 titre personnel \u2014 nous devrons d'ailleurs faire bient\u00f4t un examen pr\u00e9vu par la loi des r\u00e9gimes de sanctions et des trois mesures l\u00e9gislatives que nous utilisons \u00e0 cette fin.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278575\" data-originallang=\"en\">Cependant, en ce qui concerne la d\u00e9cision du gouvernement d'accorder un permis pour autoriser le renvoi en Allemagne de turbines r\u00e9par\u00e9es dans un temps limit\u00e9 pour permettre au pays de s'approvisionner en \u00e9nergie, je ne pense pas que cinq r\u00e9unions soient n\u00e9cessaires. Par cons\u00e9quent, je propose, apr\u00e8s le point-virgule dans la motion de Mme McPherson, de supprimer le passage \u00ab que cette \u00e9tude comporte au moins 5 r\u00e9unions \u00bb afin que ce soit d\u00e9termin\u00e9 \u00e0 une date ult\u00e9rieure. Nous aurions une r\u00e9union avec les ministres, comme on l'a demand\u00e9, et nous pourrions ensuite d\u00e9terminer si d'autres r\u00e9unions seront n\u00e9cessaires.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"7278576\" data-originallang=\"en\">J'esp\u00e8re que nous pourrons en arriver l\u00e0. C'est l'\u00e9t\u00e9, et m\u00eame si cela ne devrait pas totalement nous influencer, je pense que nous pouvons couvrir les points n\u00e9cessaires quant \u00e0 la raison exacte pour laquelle le gouvernement a pris cette d\u00e9cision et \u00e0 ses ramifications par rapport \u00e0...</p>"
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