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{
"time": "2018-09-18 10:05:00",
"attribution": {
"en": "Hon. Pierre Poilievre (Carleton, CPC)",
"fr": "L\u2019hon. Pierre Poilievre (Carleton, PCC)"
},
"content": {
"en": "<p data-HoCid=\"5534077\" data-originallang=\"en\">Mr. Kelly, your members have suffered a real drubbing over the last three years. They've been hit by heavy new regulations at a provincial level and they're imminently facing new federal carbon taxes with no prospect of any offsetting reductions.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534078\" data-originallang=\"en\"> They came under attack with the tax increases of July 18, 2017, which were an existential threat to many businesses. Also, any so-called gains that had been made were already there, of course. The reduction of the small business rate to 9% was already legislated back in the 2015 budget. The current government took it away and then brought it back, under some pressure, so that's not a gain; it's just a reclamation of something that small businesses already had. The only reason the government backed off in the attack on small businesses that it initiated last summer was that there was a spontaneous grassroots uprising across the country of individual entrepreneurs who are otherwise apolitical but who realized that their very businesses were under threat.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534079\" data-originallang=\"en\"> My concern is that as long as the political dynamic doesn't change, that won't change. None of what I just described will change either. The trajectory is set and it will continue.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534080\" data-originallang=\"en\"> A moment ago, you said that 25% of seniors think their CPP will rise, when in fact we all know that's not true. If we're lucky, somewhere down the road, 10 to 15 years from now, it will be middle-aged people who will then be retired who will get some break. When you stated that fact, you actually encouraged the government to go ahead with its existing plan, because you pointed to a public relations advantage to them in doing so, even though the public policy advantage is not a real one.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534081\" data-originallang=\"en\">I guess my question relates to whether or not the method of just sending politicians briefing notes and making testimony and writing op-eds in newspapers that politicians read is enough, or if it's time to work on changing public opinion. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534082\" data-originallang=\"en\">I can tell you that politicians go out and door-knock, and if they hear something at 10 or 15 doors in an evening, they act on it, whereas if they get a briefing note from an Ottawa lobbyist....</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534083\" data-originallang=\"en\"> What's the strategy to invest in changing public opinion instead of just lobbying politicians?</p>",
"fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"5534077\" data-originallang=\"en\">Monsieur Kelly, vos membres ont vraiment souffert ces trois derni\u00e8res ann\u00e9es. Ils ont \u00e9t\u00e9 touch\u00e9s par une nouvelle r\u00e9glementation lourde \u00e0 l'\u00e9chelon provincial et ils feront bient\u00f4t face \u00e0 la nouvelle taxe f\u00e9d\u00e9rale sur le carbone sans aucune perspective de r\u00e9ductions compensatoires. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534078\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ils ont \u00e9t\u00e9 pris d'assaut par les hausses d'imp\u00f4t du 18 juillet 2017, qui mena\u00e7aient l'existence de nombreuses entreprises. De plus, tous les pr\u00e9tendus gains qui avaient \u00e9t\u00e9 r\u00e9alis\u00e9s \u00e9taient d\u00e9j\u00e0 l\u00e0, bien s\u00fbr. La r\u00e9duction du taux d'imposition des petites entreprises \u00e0 9 % \u00e9tait d\u00e9j\u00e0 pr\u00e9vue par la loi dans le budget de 2015. Le gouvernement actuel, soumis \u00e0 certaines pressions, l'a retir\u00e9e et l'a r\u00e9instaur\u00e9e; il ne s'agit donc pas d'un gain, mais simplement d'une r\u00e9cup\u00e9ration de quelque chose dont disposaient d\u00e9j\u00e0 les petites entreprises. La seule raison pour laquelle le gouvernement a renonc\u00e9 \u00e0 l'attaque contre les petites entreprises qu'il a lanc\u00e9e l'\u00e9t\u00e9 dernier, c'est qu'il y a eu, dans tout le pays, un soul\u00e8vement populaire spontan\u00e9 d'entrepreneurs particuliers, qui \u00e9taient autrement apolitiques, mais qui ont r\u00e9alis\u00e9 que leurs entreprises \u00e9taient menac\u00e9es. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534079\" data-originallang=\"en\">Ce qui me pr\u00e9occupe, c'est que tant que la dynamique politique restera la m\u00eame, il n'y aura aucun changement. Rien de ce que je viens de d\u00e9crire ne changera non plus. La trajectoire est trac\u00e9e, et cela va se poursuivre. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534080\" data-originallang=\"en\">Il y a un instant, vous avez dit que 25 % des a\u00een\u00e9s pensent que leur RPC augmentera, alors que, en fait, nous savons tous que ce n'est pas vrai. Avec un peu de chance, dans 10 ou 15 ans, ce sont les personnes d'\u00e2ge moyen qui prendront leur retraite qui en b\u00e9n\u00e9ficieront. Lorsque vous avez mentionn\u00e9 ce fait, vous avez en r\u00e9alit\u00e9 encourag\u00e9 le gouvernement \u00e0 aller de l'avant avec son plan actuel, parce que vous avez soulign\u00e9 qu'il en tirerait un avantage sur le plan des relations publiques, m\u00eame si l'avantage en mati\u00e8re de politique publique n'en est pas vraiment un. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534081\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je suppose que ma question vise \u00e0 d\u00e9terminer si oui ou non la m\u00e9thode consistant \u00e0 simplement envoyer aux politiciens des notes d'information, \u00e0 faire des t\u00e9moignages et \u00e0 \u00e9crire des \u00e9ditoriaux dans les journaux que les politiciens lisent est suffisante, ou s'il est temps de travailler \u00e0 changer l'opinion publique. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534082\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je peux vous dire que les politiciens sortent et vont frapper aux portes, et s'ils entendent quelque chose \u00e0 10 ou 15 portes au cours d'une soir\u00e9e, ils agissent en cons\u00e9quence, alors que, s'ils re\u00e7oivent une note d'information d'un lobbyiste d'Ottawa... </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"5534083\" data-originallang=\"en\">Quelle strat\u00e9gie doit-on adopter pour investir dans le changement de l'opinion publique plut\u00f4t que de simplement faire pression sur les politiciens?</p>"
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