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{
    "time": "2009-12-08 19:15:00",
    "attribution": {
        "en": "Mr. Ted Menzies (Macleod, CPC)",
        "fr": ""
    },
    "content": {
        "en": "<p data-HoCid=\"1792877\" data-originallang=\"en\"> Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you to the witnesses. We do realize this was short notice, so thank you for making the extra effort to come here. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792878\" data-originallang=\"en\">It has been a very interesting debate in the House over the last few days. It did give us an opportunity to hear a maiden speech delivered in the House today. Mr. Paill\u00e9, I listened intently to your maiden speech. It was an excellent job. I continue to think you're going to make a great member of this committee, and hopefully you'll stay on here permanently. It's no reflection against Mr. Laforest. He's an excellent member as well, but glad to have you on board. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792879\" data-originallang=\"en\">If I could, I would like to just put something on the record. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792880\" data-originallang=\"en\">We've heard some concerns raised by Grand Chief Phillips and Chief Toulouse. On November 4, 2009\u2014this is referring to the federal Department of Finance\u2014Minister Flaherty responded to Minister Dwight Duncan, the finance minister in Ontario, Revenue Minister Wilkinson, and you, Chief Toulouse, outlining the federal government's position and concerns with maintaining the Ontario point-of-sale exemption under this proposed HST.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792881\" data-originallang=\"en\">He suggested that Ontario may wish to explore other ways to meet the interests of Ontario first nations outside of the HST framework, such as expenditure programs or tax room sharing with first nations. I'm encouraged to see that Minister Flaherty is involved in this, and I understand that in discussions with Ontario, at least--and I know that Ontario is a unique issue. These discussions continue. I would encourage that discussion amongst yourselves.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792882\" data-originallang=\"en\">I also understand that INAC has indicated to first nations that it is willing to enter into agreements for you to impose your own sales tax. I work very closely with five of my first nations\u2014Treaty 7 in southern Alberta\u2014and some of them are pushing very hard to make sure...they're working on home ownership, their involvement in economic development, and those sorts of things. With control over that comes taxation. </p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792883\" data-originallang=\"en\">Can you give us some thoughts on where you might like to see that go?</p>",
        "fr": "<p data-HoCid=\"1792877\" data-originallang=\"en\">Merci, monsieur le pr\u00e9sident, et merci aux t\u00e9moins. Nous sommes conscients que le pr\u00e9avis \u00e9tait court, et je vous remercie d'avoir fait un effort suppl\u00e9mentaire pour venir ici.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792878\" data-originallang=\"en\">Le d\u00e9bat a \u00e9t\u00e9 tr\u00e8s int\u00e9ressant \u00e0 la chambre au cours des derniers jours. Il nous a donn\u00e9 l'occasion d'entendre un premier discours prononc\u00e9 \u00e0 la chambre aujourd'hui. Monsieur Paill\u00e9, j'ai \u00e9cout\u00e9 attentivement votre premier discours. Vous avez fait de l'excellent travail. Je continue de croire que vous serez un excellent membre du comit\u00e9, et il est \u00e0 esp\u00e9rer que vous y si\u00e9gerez de fa\u00e7on permanente. Mon commentaire n'est pas dirig\u00e9 contre M. Laforest. Il est un excellent membre \u00e9galement, mais je suis ravi de vous compter parmi nous.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792879\" data-originallang=\"en\">Si vous me le permettez, j'aimerais simplement ajouter quelque chose au compte rendu.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792880\" data-originallang=\"en\">Nous avons entendu certaines pr\u00e9occupations soulev\u00e9es par le grand chef Phillips et le chef Toulouse. Le 4 novembre 2009 \u2014 cela fait r\u00e9f\u00e9rence au minist\u00e8re f\u00e9d\u00e9ral des Finances \u2014, le ministre Flaherty a r\u00e9pondu au ministre Dwight Duncan, le ministre des Finances de l'Ontario, au ministre du Revenu Wilkinson et \u00e0 vous, chef Toulouse, et il a \u00e9nonc\u00e9 la position et les pr\u00e9occupations du gouvernement f\u00e9d\u00e9ral en ce qui concerne le maintien de l'exemption au point de vente en Ontario dans le cadre de cette TVH propos\u00e9e.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792881\" data-originallang=\"en\">Selon lui, l'Ontario voudra peut-\u00eatre examiner d'autres fa\u00e7ons de soutenir les int\u00e9r\u00eats des premi\u00e8res nations de l'Ontario \u00e0 l'ext\u00e9rieur du cadre de la TVH, comme les programmes de d\u00e9penses ou le partage de l'espace fiscal avec les premi\u00e8res nations. \u00c7a m'encourage de voir que le ministre Flaherty participe au processus, et je comprends qu'il participe aux \u00e9changes avec l'Ontario, \u00e0 tout le moins \u2014, et je sais que l'Ontario est un probl\u00e8me unique. Ces \u00e9changes se poursuivent. Je les encouragerais parmi nous.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792882\" data-originallang=\"en\">Je comprends \u00e9galement qu'AINC a indiqu\u00e9 aux premi\u00e8res nations qu'il est dispos\u00e9 \u00e0 conclure des ententes vous permettant d'imposer vos propres taxes de vente. Je travaille de tr\u00e8s pr\u00e8s avec cinq de mes premi\u00e8res nations \u2014 le trait\u00e9 n<sup>o</sup> 7 au sud de l'Alberta \u2014 et certaines d'entre elles insistent beaucoup pour s'assurer que... Elles travaillent \u00e0 l'accession \u00e0 la propri\u00e9t\u00e9, elles participent au d\u00e9veloppement \u00e9conomique, ce genre de choses. Le contr\u00f4le sur ces choses s'accompagnent d'une imposition.</p>\n<p data-HoCid=\"1792883\" data-originallang=\"en\">Pouvez-vous nous dire ce que vous aimeriez qu'il arrive \u00e0 ce sujet?</p>"
    },
    "url": "/committees/finance/40-2/70/ted-menzies-1/",
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    "source_id": "3009865",
    "document_url": "/committees/finance/40-2/70/",
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}